[CL] Juventus - Bayern München (1 Viewer)

Erkka

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Mar 31, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Maresca ] ++

Ok, I just wanted juve to do the same way bayern played against us in munich????
did not they controll us? this would mean that you think that bayern are stronger than juve
:wth: How does it mean that Bayern is stronger than Juve? Juve played very badly in Münich, while Bayern produced a good performance in Turin but just couldn't clinch a better result than a lost. The thing is that you just can't compare the performances after just one game, as I've wroted there are many things that can go wrong if you do that. Obviously the injuries, wrong tactics and bad motivation were to blame back then... It's called bad luck, you expected Juve to beat Bayern away without several key players?

++ [ originally posted by Azzurri7 ] ++
Call me whatever you want, BUT If we'll play the same way we played against Bayern in the 2nd round....you can make sure we're out.
A) This is Juventus, what make you think that played the same against any opponent?

B) That's crap. Juve didn't give Bayern a proper chance, and as I said Bayern is one of the top 5 teams in the world right now.
 

ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++


:wth: How does it mean that Bayern is stronger than Juve? Juve played very badly in Münich, while Bayern produced a good performance in Turin but just couldn't clinch a better result than a lost. The thing is that you just can't compare the performances after just one game, as I've wroted there are many things that can go wrong if you do that. Obviously the injuries, wrong tactics and bad motivation were to blame back then... It's called bad luck, you expected Juve to beat Bayern away without several key players?



A) This is Juventus, what make you think that played the same against any opponent?

B) That's crap. Juve didn't give Bayern a proper chance, and as I said Bayern is one of the top 5 teams in the world right now.
I share the same thoughts as well. I thought we beat Bayern convincely. Sure there r mistakes here and there, but on a whole Juve performed well. Makaay is invisible and Pizarro is clearly frustrated. The stats even showed that Juve has more ball possession and more shots fired. Maybe to them Bayern isn't 1 of the best teams in Europe @ all.
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Azzurri7 ] ++


Thats what I'm talking about, we play home, we should give them no mercy, no matter who the team is, Bayern, Man Utd, Chelsea, Madrid, doesn't matter we should attack and win like a real team.
We only can make presure against real madrid every year ;)
but seriously, we have the problem for years. I think last year Liverpool had their easiest match in the CL in torino
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++


:wth: How does it mean that Bayern is stronger than Juve? Juve played very badly in Münich, while Bayern produced a good performance in Turin but just couldn't clinch a better result than a lost. The thing is that you just can't compare the performances after just one game, as I've wroted there are many things that can go wrong if you do that. Obviously the injuries, wrong tactics and bad motivation were to blame back then... It's called bad luck, you expected Juve to beat Bayern away without several key players?



A) This is Juventus, what make you think that played the same against any opponent?

B) That's crap. Juve didn't give Bayern a proper chance, and as I said Bayern is one of the top 5 teams in the world right now.
you said that no team in the world can controll bayern in a game. and I ask you how was it possible that a team like juve was controlled by bayern in Munich?
 

Eddy

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Aug 20, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


Am I the only one that absolutely can not wait for DP to beat the total goals record? :)
I wonder how he's going to celebrate that last goal of his ;)

Image the excitement, the atmosphere, the crowd... :touched:
 

Erkka

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Mar 31, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Maresca ] ++

you said that no team in the world can controll bayern in a game. and I ask you how was it possible that a team like juve was controlled by bayern in Munich?
:dontcare: Read my post before answering:

++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++

The thing is that you just can't compare the performances after just one game, as I've wroted there are many things that can go wrong if you do that. Obviously the injuries, wrong tactics and bad motivation were to blame back then... It's called bad luck, you expected Juve to beat Bayern away without several key players?
And yes, I stand by what I said. No team in the world can control Bayern München if they play at their normal standards and are pretty much injury-free like they were on both games against Juve. Bayern controlled Juve because Juve missed several key players and had a bad day in every department, didn't play at their regular standards.
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Erkka ] ++


:dontcare: Read my post before answering:



And yes, I stand by what I said. No team in the world can control Bayern München if they play at their normal standards and are pretty much injury-free like they were on both games against Juve. Bayern controlled Juve because Juve missed several key players and had a bad day in every department, didn't play at their regular standards.
come on, it was almost the same formation like last year. and the miss of Viera can not be the reason for such performence. I don´t think that juve is not strong. I just think that there is more and very much more potential in this team. And it is sad that capello is not able to get the best out of this team.
 

lala

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Oct 18, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by ZhiXin ] ++


I share the same thoughts as well. I thought we beat Bayern convincely. Sure there r mistakes here and there, but on a whole Juve performed well. Makaay is invisible and Pizarro is clearly frustrated. The stats even showed that Juve has more ball possession and more shots fired. Maybe to them Bayern isn't 1 of the best teams in Europe @ all.

1. Juve had more Ball Possession and more shot but more Fouls,too!! Juve = 28 and Bayern=18 ;) Juve also had more Yellow Cards!

2. Bayern is definatly one of the best teams in europe, they was in Pot 1 and Juve in Pot 2, they buy all good Players from the Bundesliga, if you can buy all Players from one League, you have a very good team. Bayern do not pay more than 20Mio EURO for one player and has Players like Ballack, Lucio, Makaay and Sagnol!

3. Bayern played in the first game only 20min. with a "real" Leftback(Lizarazu) and the Rest of that game and the game in delle alpi they played with an offensiv midfielder(schweinsteiger) as Leftback!! Lahm & Lizarazu both Leftbacks are injured!!
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by lala ] ++



1. Juve had more Ball Possession and more shot but more Fouls,too!! Juve = 28 and Bayern=18 ;) Juve also had more Yellow Cards!

2. Bayern is definatly one of the best teams in europe, they was in Pot 1 and Juve in Pot 2, they buy all good Players from the Bundesliga, if you can buy all Players from one League, you have a very good team. Bayern do not pay more than 20Mio EURO for one player and has Players like Ballack, Lucio, Makaay and Sagnol!

3. Bayern played in the first game only 20min. with a "real" Leftback(Lizarazu) and the Rest of that game and the game in delle alpi they played with an offensiv midfielder(schweinsteiger) as Leftback!! Lahm & Lizarazu both Leftbacks are injured!!
what do you want to say???
 

ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Maresca ] ++

what do you want to say???
I think he is strengthening my points about Bayern as 1 of Europe's best teams yet countering my claims on the use of statistics for the game.

I'm not sure about his point about Schweinsteiger as LB,
 

lala

New Member
Oct 18, 2005
24
Nein,

er meinte Bayern sei kein Topclub und ich meinte, dass Bayern ein Topclub ist!

Bayern war in Topf 1 und Juve in Topf 2, das heist ja schonmal, dass Bayern in den letzten 5 Jahren mehr UEFA Punkte gesammelt hat, als Juve ;)

Und mit Schweini war gemeint, (weil hier manche heulen, dass im Hinspiel so viele Stammspieler bei Juve fehlten) dass mit Lizarazu und Lahm beide Linksverteidiger verletzt waren und mit Schweini ein offensiver Mittelfeldspieler als Linksverteidiger spielen musste!

Und dazu habe ich noch geschrieben, Bayern kauft halt alles gute aus der BuLi, dort sind halt noch keine Mondpreise wie in anderen Ligen, dort bekommt man einen Lucio für 13,5 Mio ;) nur darauf lässt sich nicht schliessen, dass Bayern deswegen weniger Qualität im Kader hat als andere europäische Mannschaften.

Ein Ballack gehört wohl zu den besten Mittelfeldspieler der Welt, ein Sagnol ist wohl einer der besten Rechtsvertdeidiger, ein Lucio einer der besten IV's und ein Makaay gehört in Topform sicherlich auch zur oberen Spitze. Dazu noch ein paar "alt werdende" Weltklassespieler wie Lizarazu und Kahn, große Talente wie Scheini, Santa Cruz und Demichelis und flexible Spieler wie Deisler und Zé Roberto!


Juve kann stolz sein, dass sie gegen diese Mannschafte gewonnen hat und nicht wie es einige darstellen, als ob Bayern nur eine mittelmäßige Mannschaft wär.
Sie kaufen halt nicht so oft fertige Stars, wie Juve,Milan,ManU,Real,Barca oder Chelsea, trotzdem gehören sie zu europas Spitze.

DAS wollte ich damit sagen :D mein Englisch ist halt nicht so besonders gut :frown:
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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++ [ originally posted by lala ] ++
Nein,

er meinte Bayern sei kein Topclub und ich meinte, dass Bayern ein Topclub ist!

Bayern war in Topf 1 und Juve in Topf 2, das heist ja schonmal, dass Bayern in den letzten 5 Jahren mehr UEFA Punkte gesammelt hat, als Juve ;)

Und mit Schweini war gemeint, (weil hier manche heulen, dass im Hinspiel so viele Stammspieler bei Juve fehlten) dass mit Lizarazu und Lahm beide Linksverteidiger verletzt waren und mit Schweini ein offensiver Mittelfeldspieler als Linksverteidiger spielen musste!

Und dazu habe ich noch geschrieben, Bayern kauft halt alles gute aus der BuLi, dort sind halt noch keine Mondpreise wie in anderen Ligen, dort bekommt man einen Lucio für 13,5 Mio ;) nur darauf lässt sich nicht schliessen, dass Bayern deswegen weniger Qualität im Kader hat als andere europäische Mannschaften.

Ein Ballack gehört wohl zu den besten Mittelfeldspieler der Welt, ein Sagnol ist wohl einer der besten Rechtsvertdeidiger, ein Lucio einer der besten IV's und ein Makaay gehört in Topform sicherlich auch zur oberen Spitze. Dazu noch ein paar "alt werdende" Weltklassespieler wie Lizarazu und Kahn, große Talente wie Scheini, Santa Cruz und Demichelis und flexible Spieler wie Deisler und Zé Roberto!


Juve kann stolz sein, dass sie gegen diese Mannschafte gewonnen hat und nicht wie es einige darstellen, als ob Bayern nur eine mittelmäßige Mannschaft wär.
Sie kaufen halt nicht so oft fertige Stars, wie Juve,Milan,ManU,Real,Barca oder Chelsea, trotzdem gehören sie zu europas Spitze.

DAS wollte ich damit sagen :D mein Englisch ist halt nicht so besonders gut :frown:
My compliments, very nicely paragraphed.
 

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