[CL] JUVENTUS 1-3 Barcelona (June 6th, 2015) (18 Viewers)
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try http://atđhe.net/ . I used this site to watch us back in serie b. I'm sure they must be showing the match.
I've said multiple times I think Messi>Ronaldo.
But saying it's not even close is silly. That's fanboy stuff. The fact is, Ronaldo has more goals in less games, almost the same number of assists. So the only area Messi is ahead of Ronaldo is contributing more in the build-up. That's it. So the difference between them is minor at best.
Saying Messi shits all over Ronaldo, or he's miles ahead is just silly. I mean, Messi and Barca haven't won a CL in several years now.
So, I don't think Messi is more difficult to shut down for our defense than Ronaldo at all.
I do however believe Barca's attack as a whole, with Neymar and Suarez is far more deadly. It's scary deadly.
But saying it's not even close is silly. That's fanboy stuff. The fact is, Ronaldo has more goals in less games, almost the same number of assists. So the only area Messi is ahead of Ronaldo is contributing more in the build-up. That's it. So the difference between them is minor at best.
Saying Messi shits all over Ronaldo, or he's miles ahead is just silly. I mean, Messi and Barca haven't won a CL in several years now.
So, I don't think Messi is more difficult to shut down for our defense than Ronaldo at all.
I do however believe Barca's attack as a whole, with Neymar and Suarez is far more deadly. It's scary deadly.
SOrry, these guys never leave 5 players bamboozled looking like morons. They might in their best moments do it to 1 or 2, but they never make a run from the side of the pitch near the halfway line leaving half a team holding their jocks. It just doesn't happen.
And you'd have to be blind and retarded to think it does.
Again. It's nothing to do with Messi not being an amazing player. It's more to do with Italian football being more tactical and cynical defensively. Against any decent Italian defense, someone would bite the bullet in those 40 yards he ran, and foul him. 5 players had the opportunity and chose to try to win the ball without fouling.
We see Marchisio, Bonucci, Chiellini, etc take tactical yellows all the time stopping counters and players running towards our goal. The same will happen with Messi. He won't be allowed to run like that. And the same holds true for most Italian defences.
Aside from this, our defences allow nowhere near that amount of space between players, and are generally much better organized.
Look at the trouble Messi has creating against a well-organized team like Atletico for the last two years. Those types of runs don't happen against such organized and smart defences. Most Serie A defences aren't as good as Atletico in terms of player talent, but they are in general very well-organized like that.
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Mario Jardel was playing in mediocre leagues that entire time for Porto, Gala, and Sporting. Are you fucking kidding with this example? It means fuck all.
And you'd have to be blind and retarded to think it does.
Again. It's nothing to do with Messi not being an amazing player. It's more to do with Italian football being more tactical and cynical defensively. Against any decent Italian defense, someone would bite the bullet in those 40 yards he ran, and foul him. 5 players had the opportunity and chose to try to win the ball without fouling.
We see Marchisio, Bonucci, Chiellini, etc take tactical yellows all the time stopping counters and players running towards our goal. The same will happen with Messi. He won't be allowed to run like that. And the same holds true for most Italian defences.
Aside from this, our defences allow nowhere near that amount of space between players, and are generally much better organized.
Look at the trouble Messi has creating against a well-organized team like Atletico for the last two years. Those types of runs don't happen against such organized and smart defences. Most Serie A defences aren't as good as Atletico in terms of player talent, but they are in general very well-organized like that.
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Mario Jardel was playing in mediocre leagues that entire time for Porto, Gala, and Sporting. Are you fucking kidding with this example? It means fuck all.
...and for people whining about the whole Messi vs Ronaldo thing...
We just played Real Madrid and Ronaldo. We're now playing Barca and Messi.
It's obvious comparisons are going to be made between the two, and how easy/hard it will be for our defense and mid to shut each of them down.
I think our defense is better suited to shutting Messi down. I could be wrong, but it's my opinion his dribbling style, and non-aerial/set-piece prowess helps our defense out. Our defense does well against players running at it, trying to dribble it, trying to find through balls, incisive passes, etc.
Where our defense struggles is against lightning fast counters (I doubt we will play a possession game with high line to allow for these) which Real Madrid is generally better at than Barca (Neymar being the obvious counterpoint to this), and aerially against crosses and set pieces, which is why we've had trouble stopping Ronaldo from getting chances against us over the last 2 years. I don't see Messi's strengths as working against our defence's weaknesses. This isn't to say he won't provide an immense challenge for our defense, as our players haven't face anyone yet of his incredible skill, but it will be strength vs strength, in terms of Messi's strengths against our defensive strengths... whereas Madrid has attacking strengths that directly works against our weakness in defense.
Just my two cents.
We just played Real Madrid and Ronaldo. We're now playing Barca and Messi.
It's obvious comparisons are going to be made between the two, and how easy/hard it will be for our defense and mid to shut each of them down.
I think our defense is better suited to shutting Messi down. I could be wrong, but it's my opinion his dribbling style, and non-aerial/set-piece prowess helps our defense out. Our defense does well against players running at it, trying to dribble it, trying to find through balls, incisive passes, etc.
Where our defense struggles is against lightning fast counters (I doubt we will play a possession game with high line to allow for these) which Real Madrid is generally better at than Barca (Neymar being the obvious counterpoint to this), and aerially against crosses and set pieces, which is why we've had trouble stopping Ronaldo from getting chances against us over the last 2 years. I don't see Messi's strengths as working against our defence's weaknesses. This isn't to say he won't provide an immense challenge for our defense, as our players haven't face anyone yet of his incredible skill, but it will be strength vs strength, in terms of Messi's strengths against our defensive strengths... whereas Madrid has attacking strengths that directly works against our weakness in defense.
Just my two cents.
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