[CL] Champions League 2014/15 (39 Viewers)

Who do you want us to face in 1/2?

  • Barcelona

  • Real Madrid

  • Bayern


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jukazem

Senior Member
Feb 10, 2007
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2003 : juventus beats every team thats considered hard towards the final, nedved suspended
2003 : milan gets the piss easy route, entire squad fit and ready to play

guess who won. Are we happy we lost ? I dont think so
that win (probably) set Milan up for future CL success

also Bayern played CL final in 09/10 by beating Lyon in semi-finals,
ManUtd played CL final in 10/11 by beating Schalke in semi-finals.
 

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Mar 3, 2014
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I totally agree. I'd only add that some CL wins are easier than others because of this. If we do get Porto and and then meet Barca in the final and win the trophy I would not consider Juve the best team in Europe at all. I'd still rank us below Barca, Bayern, Madrid and around the same level of Chelsea and PSG.

It is one thing to win the title having powered through Arsenal, Juve, Barca and a great Dortmund and its another thing completely to win having powered through a collapsed Dortmund, Monaco, Porto and Barcelona.

Having said that, I obviously want the easiest route possible to maximize our chances at getting the trophy. It would be great for Juve and for Serie A
Funny enough, with Bayern I think they're a bit overrated.

The team is incredibly reliant on Robben & Ribery. The team without those two is much weaker and they are 31 & 32 years old and will just become slower and more injury prone. That team's time is coming to an end unless they can replace them. Even when they won the UCL, Ribery and Robben were the prime reason for that - they are an absolute nightmare when they are both playing. Who slaughtered Roma? Robben.

Plus Bayern's backline is a joke other than Benatia.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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On BayernZone,they're already talking about replacing Pep with Klopp :lol:
I am not surprised. Pep hasn't achieved anything that any normal good coach like Mancini can't achieve with this squad and against this competition. Its just as easy if not easier than winning Serie A with Juve while flopping in Europe.

Pep's best quality is not to improve an already good team. His best quality is to take a team that had no working system and find a way that emphasizes the best qualities of most of the available players. He can transform a losing team into a winning one. But to get a winning team that already has a winning mentality to win even more is a different story. Pep's gift to Barca was finding a system that brings out the best qualities of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi while hides the weaknesses of the defense.

Its similar to Conte's story with us. He gave us a winning mentality and found a system that brings out the best qualities of Pirlo, Vidal and our three center-backs. He then struggled at making the tweaks needed to get more out of the players after the system has become stabilized. The main difference is that Guardiola built a system around much better players than ours. But even when you consider Guardiola's last decline in Barca, he didn't have a plan B and couldnt tweak his plan A and get more out of it much like how Conte couldnt get more out of the 3-5-2 despite having better new attackers.

Now the question is, can Guardiola and Conte do the same job somewhere else. If you give them a good squad that doesnt have a working system like Inter or Tottenham and are underachieving, would they be able to grow a system out of the set of players that these squads have or do you think they would import the systems from their old clubs that may or may not be suited for their new squads?

I think its the latter. Conte's 3-5-2 and Guardiola's tiki taka grew out of the squads that they had. The coaches didnt make up this game-plan and then impose on the squads but they rather developed these game plans from the attributes of the players they had available. It seems that both Guardiola and Conte took their respective game-plans that grew out of their squads and are now trying to impose it wherever they go regardless of the qualities of the players they have in their new jobs.

Guardiola took a perfectly working system and squad and imposed his Barca plan on them and then pulled them back. Bayern are also enjoying the some limitations that barca had around the end of his tenure. If Guardiola is to truly be a genius, then he has to grow a new system out of his current set of players to great success. The squad should shape his plan not the otherway around.

Conte is doinng the same thing with Italy. While Italy shares the same core that Juve has, our plan grew out of Pirlo more than anyone else and Conte wont have a Pirlo no more. He is going to have to grow a new system from this dysfunctional mess and if he succeeds I'd happily consider him a genius tactician.


I dont see Allegri as a system finder at all but rather as a tweaker. Give him (or Ancellotti) a winning team and he will improve it. Don't give him a team in rubble and expect him to build something out of it.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I am not surprised. Pep hasn't achieved anything that any normal good coach like Mancini can't achieve with this squad and against this competition. Its just as easy if not easier than winning Serie A with Juve while flopping in Europe.

Pep's best quality is not to improve an already good team. His best quality is to take a team that had no working system and find a way that emphasizes the best qualities of most of the available players. He can transform a losing team into a winning one. But to get a winning team that already has a winning mentality to win even more is a different story. Pep's gift to Barca was finding a system that brings out the best qualities of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi while hides the weaknesses of the defense.

Its similar to Conte's story with us. He gave us a winning mentality and found a system that brings out the best qualities of Pirlo, Vidal and our three center-backs. He then struggled at making the tweaks needed to get more out of the players after the system has become stabilized. The main difference is that Guardiola built a system around much better players than ours. But even when you consider Guardiola's last decline in Barca, he didn't have a plan B and couldnt tweak his plan A and get more out of it much like how Conte couldnt get more out of the 3-5-2 despite having better new attackers.

Now the question is, can Guardiola and Conte do the same job somewhere else. If you give them a good squad that doesnt have a working system like Inter or Tottenham and are underachieving, would they be able to grow a system out of the set of players that these squads have or do you think they would import the systems from their old clubs that may or may not be suited for their new squads?

I think its the latter. Conte's 3-5-2 and Guardiola's tiki taka grew out of the squads that they had. The coaches didnt make up this game-plan and then impose on the squads but they rather developed these game plans from the attributes of the players they had available. It seems that both Guardiola and Conte took their respective game-plans that grew out of their squads and are now trying to impose it wherever they go regardless of the qualities of the players they have in their new jobs.

Guardiola took a perfectly working system and squad and imposed his Barca plan on them and then pulled them back. Bayern are also enjoying the some limitations that barca had around the end of his tenure. If Guardiola is to truly be a genius, then he has to grow a new system out of his current set of players to great success. The squad should shape his plan not the otherway around.

Conte is doinng the same thing with Italy. While Italy shares the same core that Juve has, our plan grew out of Pirlo more than anyone else and Conte wont have a Pirlo no more. He is going to have to grow a new system from this dysfunctional mess and if he succeeds I'd happily consider him a genius tactician.


I dont see Allegri as a system finder at all but rather as a tweaker. Give him (or Ancellotti) a winning team and he will improve it. Don't give him a team in rubble and expect him to build something out of it.
:tup:
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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Funny enough, with Bayern I think they're a bit overrated.

The team is incredibly reliant on Robben & Ribery. The team without those two is much weaker and they are 31 & 32 years old and will just become slower and more injury prone. That team's time is coming to an end unless they can replace them. Even when they won the UCL, Ribery and Robben were the prime reason for that - they are an absolute nightmare when they are both playing. Who slaughtered Roma? Robben.

Plus Bayern's backline is a joke other than Benatia.
This Bayern is a lot weaker than the treble winning Bayern.

And yes they will run through a terrible time finding anyone as good as Robben and Ribery. They should have loaned Shaqiri out or added a buy back option at the very least. They should also be watching Anderson, Hazard and Griezman very closely. These are the most promising wingers that can be lured away from their teams. Perhaps they should watch the Bale situation too and whether him and Isco will keep competing against each other or would Isco be a permanent midfielder.
 

Mus™

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2009
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Funny enough, with Bayern I think they're a bit overrated.

The team is incredibly reliant on Robben & Ribery. The team without those two is much weaker and they are 31 & 32 years old and will just become slower and more injury prone. That team's time is coming to an end unless they can replace them. Even when they won the UCL, Ribery and Robben were the prime reason for that - they are an absolute nightmare when they are both playing. Who slaughtered Roma? Robben.

Plus Bayern's backline is a joke other than Benatia.
Benatia has been the worst defender they have this season, far behind boateng and badstuber, on par with Dante
 

happybum

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Oct 23, 2014
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Benatia has been the worst defender they have this season, far behind boateng and badstuber, on par with Dante
Is this guy trolling? Benatia has been the best Bayern defender by far. He's struggled with injuries all season long, but he's been fit and he's been a solid rock.

There was a statistic that when Benatia has been on the field, Bayern has only conceded 1 goal all season or something like that. People who say he's been bad, obviously have no clue about Bayern, and just watched his tackle vs Aguero on youtube or something.

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The team is incredibly reliant on Robben & Ribery. T
The thing about football is that if you get a couple of good players (a core) that click well with each other, the entire team will look like it's full of world class players.
 
Mar 3, 2014
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Mus™;4898234 said:
Benatia has been the worst defender they have this season, far behind boateng and badstuber, on par with Dante
I've read the opposite - Seems like he started slow, and his low point was a sending off against Manchester City in the group stage, but after that, when healthy I've read he's been their best defender. Even on Twitter Bayern fans appear very pleased with him - Dante is their scapegoat. Heck, there are several tweets that expressed that they'd prefer Dante be injured over Benatia.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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2003 : juventus beats every team thats considered hard towards the final, nedved suspended
2003 : milan gets the piss easy route, entire squad fit and ready to play


guess who won. Are we happy we lost ? I dont think so
Hopefully they're back to those glories days... for the good of football!

:wallbang:
 

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