[CL] Champions League 2010/11 (8 Viewers)

[Osman]

No team does it like Barca do.

Also, it doesn't make Barca any less disgusting. At least to me as a football fan.

Honestly, if no team like Barca does it, then why werent there ANY talk or particular outcry about them before the very cynical 1st leg of this tie?

Was reading this article/column that puts alot of this hoopla to good perspective, and I like his part about the diving, and the insane overdrawn melodrama about it (like its a whole new thing in football, never done before), I recommend reading it all, but quoting that part for convenience:

Diving:

Yes, diving. Good. Cheating is cultural. One of the most striking things about the reaction to this series of matches -- and in particular, the semifinal first leg -- is the colossal amount of attention trained on the playacting from Barcelona's players. Real Madrid even went so far as to denounce Barcelona's "premeditated anti-sporting behavior" to UEFA. Like no one ever dived before, right?

Er, right.

In some countries there has long been an obsession with diving and exaggerating as the worst thing in soccer. Worse, for some reason, than deliberately kicking someone even though a dive will never end a player's career. But not in Spain. For the English to be so critical of Barça's playacting, especially as many had not seen the context-setting Copa del Rey final, was normal. For Spain to follow suit was entirely new.

In Spain, diving has tended to be tolerated at worse, celebrated at best. Players are commended for "provoking" penalties, free kicks and cards. Soccer, we're constantly told, is a game for the streetwise. Then there is a more "honest" strand to the argument: why should a player stay up if he has been fouled? Why should you aid an aggressive opponent's approach by not denouncing it with a dive? (And that, incidentally, is the conclusion at which Barcelona arrived after the Cup final). Besides, even if a player cheats, he is not blamed: the referee is. The man who falls into the trap is guilty, not the man who lays it.

No one in Spain ever complained about diving, still less launched a crusade against it. Now they have. Madrid's protests about the theatrics of Pedro, Sergio Busquets, Dani Alves, and, later, Javier Mascherano were cynical and one-sided while the pitch, volume and consistency of the complaints was hard on your ears. The huge amount of noise ignored the dives of Real's Ronaldo or Angel Di María, the man who has "provoked" more penalties in the league than anyone else. But at least it has got this particular form of cheating on the Spanish agenda at last.

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[bianconero]

Honestly, if no team like Barca does it, then why werent there ANY talk or particular outcry about them before the very cynical 1st leg of this tie?

Was reading this article/column that puts alot of this hoopla to good perspective, and I like his part about the diving, and the insane overdrawn melodrama about it (like its a whole new thing in football, never done before), I recommend reading it all, but quoting that part for convenience:

Good post.

Busquets, Dani Alves, and, Javier Mascherano are horrible though.

 

[Osman]

Real players doesn't do it as often as Barcelona players though. Barcelona players seems to do it every game, that's whats disgusting.
Make no mistake about it, they have some great players, but what is the point of pulling stunts like Mascherano did when he was pretending like he drowned in the 85th minute when they were clearly going into the finals? That's unnecessary and disgusting. Tells you what their mentality and attitude is.

They dive MORE then Real players (really??? You watch Real games and See Di Maria? NO ONE on top football dives per game as he does) in your average game? And they do it every game? You dont think thats exaggerating it? There is a reason we gone almost entire season without much fuss about them diving, cynical overdone shenanigans like this comes up with them in hated classico games or big CL high stake games. They simply dominate/have the ball too much to do it in your average game. Bit weird to quantify it more then it is.

Busquets dives in average scenario whenever he feels like it (more of a retarded facegrabber then your typical fall lightly kinda Di Maria diver), and is defenitely the most serial diver of them, but usually not a sitaution that warrants/gives him the opportunity it in your typical Barca game, and Dani Alves has been a known diver/overacting clown since his Sevilla days, but even him, usually not bothered to do it much in your average game (he is too busy playing great). And Mascherano deffo not seen him dive much before (him and Pedro are new at it ), seemed like deliberate tactic/mindset for this kind of game (deffo was the worst at it, was laughable). I found it ironic when Ronaldo unwillingly defended him by saying he didnt use to do it in Liverpool, its true, and its not often you find and a hardworking DM who is a notorious diver (though allways been dirty and cynical, he's argie afterall ). But the funny thing is Ronaldo IS a notorious diver (ever since I saw him as 16 year old to now, dives almost every other two games) who does it often, and he is passing judgement on others.

 

[Fake Melo]

They dive MORE then Real players (really??? You watch Real games and See Di Maria? NO ONE on top football dives per game as he does) in your average game? And they do it every game? You dont think thats exaggerating it? There is a reason we gone almost entire season without much fuss about them diving, cynical overdone shenanigans like this comes up with them in hated classico games or big CL high stake games. Bit weird to quantify it more then it is.

I am not only talking about diving. I haven't ever seen a time surronding refs whenever something happens like Barca does, Valdes runs from frickin Mexico to Nou Camp just to protest against something. I have not seen a team moan so much about decisions like the Barca players. They play all "mes que un club"-motto and UNICEF-sponorship yet they act like bunch of thieves.
I am not talking about one Di Maria dive, the whole situation when something happens to a Barca player is something for itself.

 

[swag]

Forza World Cup champion...

 

[ALC]

Honestly, if no team like Barca does it, then why werent there ANY talk or particular outcry about them before the very cynical 1st leg of this tie?

Was reading this article/column that puts alot of this hoopla to good perspective, and I like his part about the diving, and the insane overdrawn melodrama about it (like its a whole new thing in football, never done before), I recommend reading it all, but quoting that part for convenience:

I'm sure there weren't.

And their diving by itself is fine. It's the fact refs award them for it that pisses people off. And don't even get me started on Van Persie's red. Fuck Barca!

 

[ALC]

Forza World Cup champion...

Haha, looks like his natural habitat.

 

[Nedvěd]

They dive MORE then Real players (really??? You watch Real games and See Di Maria? NO ONE on top football dives per game as he does) in your average game? And they do it every game? You dont think thats exaggerating it? There is a reason we gone almost entire season without much fuss about them diving, cynical overdone shenanigans like this comes up with them in hated classico games or big CL high stake games. They simply dominate/have the ball too much to do it in your average game. Bit weird to quantify it more then it is.

Busquets dives in average scenario whenever he feels like it (more of a retarded facegrabber then your typical fall lightly kinda Di Maria diver), and is defenitely the most serial diver of them, but usually not a sitaution that warrants/gives him the opportunity it in your typical Barca game, and Dani Alves has been a known diver/overacting clown since his Sevilla days, but even him, usually not bothered to do it much in your average game (he is too busy playing great). And Mascherano deffo not seen him dive much before (him and Pedro are new at it ), seemed like deliberate tactic/mindset for this kind of game (deffo was the worst at it, was laughable). I found it ironic when Ronaldo unwillingly defended him by saying he didnt use to do it in Liverpool, its true, and its not often you find and a hardworking DM who is a notorious diver (though allways been dirty and cynical, he's argie afterall ). But the funny thing is Ronaldo IS a notorious diver (ever since I saw him as 16 year old to now, dives almost every other two games) who does it often, and he is passing judgement on others.

Good post Osman. Pedro is new to diving and I'm disappointed because I liked Pedro and always lauded him as the most honest Barca player.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Has this video of the Innocent One been posted?

 

[king Ale]

Honestly, if no team like Barca does it, then why werent there ANY talk or particular outcry about them before the very cynical 1st leg of this tie?

Poor argument. They do it (trying to get the opponents' players sent off) when they can't play their usual game which is a rare thing to happen. Every time they seem to not have a plan B to replace their possession football with, they try to influence the refs by their divings and playactings, i.e. against Inter and Real.

I'm yet to see a team having so many players for that purpose like Barca have. Their constant arguing with the refs because of every unimportant incident which always remain unpunished is not a new thing too.

 

[Gian]

Has this video of the Innocent One been posted?

Such a faggot. Can't believe from a time with players like Henry, Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane, Del Piero and Nedved and we went to call a player with this shit behaviour ''the best player in the world''

 

[king Ale]

I have no problem with him being called the best player in the world but he is definitely not the saint some tend to make him out to be.

 

[da_ledgeaun]

He is the best player in the world currently..but his class is no way near the past World Class players we have seen over the past few years..

 

[Nicole]

Such a faggot. Can't believe from a time with players like Henry, Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane, Del Piero and Nedved and we went to call a player with this shit behaviour ''the best player in the world''

Seriously? Are you kidding me?

How exactly does Messi have "shit behavior" at all, infact he's one of the very few players in world football I have almost no complaints about, he "dives" like 1% of the time he actually could do it, he's not egotistical or anything like that, he doesn't argue with refs, doesn't try to get players sent off.

I mean what exactly is your problem with him, he kick a ball into a crowd? Wow, lets execute him, clearly he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as people who headbutt players in world cup finals and the like.

 

[Nicole]

I have no problem with him being called the best player in the world but he is definitely not the saint some tend to make him out to be.

And why not? I can't remember more than like 2-3 occasions where he's done something "dodgy" and the likes of Ronaldo, Zidane etc aren't not guility of those mements as well.

Sounds more like people are letting their anti-Barca confuse their opinion about Messi.

 

[Alen]

They dive MORE then Real players?

Yes, they do. Only Di Maria dives more than the Barca players. The difference is that Barca have diving and acting as a team tactic.
As for the "Why nobody complained before the 1st leg?", I can say that I don't know about other places, but here in juventuz and where I live people have been complaining about Barca players acting, diving and pressuring the ref for more than 1 year.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

And why not? I can't remember more than like 2-3 occasions where he's done something "dodgy" and the likes of Ronaldo, Zidane etc aren't not guility of those mements as well.

Sounds more like people are letting their anti-Barca confuse their opinion about Messi.

Isn't the difference that we are "instructed" to believe that Messi is a perfect player who never does anything wrong (never dives, never fouls but always gets fouled, never argues, etc), while the media can't get enough of the mistakes others make?
Zidane, as you mentioned, being a prime example. Even if he did somehow deserve the negative attention.

Has a lot to do with the "holier than thou" act Barca has been playing for a while now.

 

[Fake Melo]

Isn't the difference that we are "instructed" to believe that Messi is a perfect player who never does anything wrong (never dives, never fouls but always gets fouled, never argues, etc), while the media can't get enough of the mistakes others make?
Zidane, as you mentioned, being a prime example. Even if he did somehow deserve the negative attention.

Has a lot to do with the "holier than thou" act Barca has been playing for a while now.

 

[Fake Melo]

UEFA Mourinho ban announced today at 1700 CET. Rumors range from 3 games to 7 games to "time ban" thru Dec 31.

 

[Bezzy]

UEFA Mourinho ban announced today at 1700 CET. Rumors range from 3 games to 7 games to "time ban" thru Dec 31.

what a idiot that is