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    Only to the one wearing it in this case. But are you really comparing someone praying in the center of a pitch to one deliberately wearing an offensive T-Shirt that it can in no way relate to anything but causing trouble and harm to others. even if it's not physical.
    I would wear the T-shirt in every game, regardless of who I was playing, to demonstrate my love for freedom of expression and my dislike of all religion.

    Should I change what I always do because it may cause offence to some intolerant people and it may lead to public disorder?
     

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    king Ale

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    Only to the one wearing it in this case. But are you really comparing someone praying in the center of a pitch to one deliberately wearing an offensive T-Shirt that it can in no way relate to anything but causing trouble and harm to others. even if it's not physical.
    How do you know it's not harmful to anyone in the stadium? They get annoyed, right? It just means that seeing someone doing Catholic prayers in the middle of the pitch is psychologically (or whatever you name it) harming them. Now, to me, it's stupid to be offended by someone doing his prayers on the pitch as it is stupid to if someone gets offended by seeing cartoons of their religion's prophet. To me, being offended by those things is silly either way. But to you, it is not. I think you should be the last one talking about those retards' intolerance.
     

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    How do you know it's not harmful to anyone in the stadium? They get annoyed, right? It just means that seeing someone doing Catholic prayers in the middle of the pitch is psychologically (or whatever you name it) harming them. Now, to me, it's stupid to be offended by someone doing his prayers on the pitch as it is stupid to if someone gets offended by seeing cartoons of their religion's prophet. To me, being offended by those things is silly either way. But to you, it is not. I think you should be the last one talking about those retards' intolerance.
    exactly,see this is my problem with religious intolerants ...they get offended when someone does something THEY perceive as disrespectful but they cannot see the viewpoint of anybody else who may get offended by such an act.

    i suppose its their own way of saying "i can get offended by something much stupider than you can get offended by,therefore i am more religious than you"
     

    king Ale

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    exactly,see this is my problem with religious intolerants ...they get offended when someone does something THEY perceive as disrespectful but they cannot see the viewpoint of anybody else who may get offended by such an act.

    i suppose its their own way of saying "i can get offended by something much stupider than you can get offended by,therefore i am more religious than you"
    :lol:

    Martin is right :D
     

    JBF

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    what you fail to understand is the religious intolerances of these bigoted morons on both sides of the divide,there has been over 125 years of Old Firm fans defining themselves by their religious beliefs and stoking the hatred between catholics and protestants. THIS by the way,is the real reason for Rangers and Celtics success,the troubles in Northern Ireland brought it to the surface even more and lit the torch paper underneath it,Glawegians never needed a reason to go around stabbing each other but now they had a reason to excuse their behaviour.
    what you have to understand is that Rangers fans don't have a problem with Catholics praying...they have a problem with catholics living!
    I actually knew 99% of all that but thanks for the extra info anyway ;)

    I would wear the T-shirt in every game, regardless of who I was playing, to demonstrate my love for freedom of expression and my dislike of all religion.

    Should I change what I always do because it may cause offence to some intolerant people and it may lead to public disorder?
    You really think that's the reason that should prevent you from doing such an act, public disorder and offence? How about being tolerant yourself and actually respecting other people's beliefs. I for one have no problem with publicizing those drawings myself I actually pitty the "artist" who drew them in the first place because IMO he did that for getting attention and sadly he got what he asked for. But I've a problem with the image itself that he tried to spread and that is picturing prophet Mohammad as a mindless terrorist who's responsible one way or another for Al-Qaeda and other terrorist group's actions while he's in fact far from it.

    Again back on topic, I've a problem with the current situation of Hernadez for a simple reason that what he's doing shouldn't be disrespectful for others and it really isn't unless you're small minded intolerant person, and that is a problem such a person simply has to overcome. This is like asking a black player to paint himself white cause the home crowd are a bunch of racist pricks who would have a problem with him simply being there.

    How do you know it's not harmful to anyone in the stadium? They get annoyed, right? It just means that seeing someone doing Catholic prayers in the middle of the pitch is psychologically (or whatever you name it) harming them. Now, to me, it's stupid to be offended by someone doing his prayers on the pitch as it is stupid to if someone gets offended by seeing cartoons of their religion's prophet. To me, being offended by those things is silly either way. But to you, it is not. I think you should be the last one talking about those retards' intolerance.
    Why should I? And how the hell did you get the picture that I find those pictures offensive? Did I ever tell you my opinion about them or did you simply generalize that simply because Im a muslim I've got to be filled with anger and bomb myself on the instinctive once I have a look at those.

    Refrain to what I replied to red about my opinion on that if you care that much about what my opinion really is in the first place.

    Oh and I've stressed on the fact that as long as the action that player is taking isn't harmful from a physical point of view then he should do it but apparently you didn't take much notice did you.
     

    Martin

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    I actually knew 99% of all that but thanks for the extra info anyway ;)


    You really think that's the reason that should prevent you from doing such an act, public disorder and offence? How about being tolerant yourself and actually respecting other people's beliefs.
    Do you respect people who believe in Santa Claus? Do you respect anyone who believes anything, only because he believes? Why on earth should a person respect someone for a silly belief?

    And respect is not tolerance, by the way. If you smoke around me I can tolerate you and not punch you in the face. But I will never respect you for it.
     
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    You really think that's the reason that should prevent you from doing such an act, public disorder and offence? How about being tolerant yourself and actually respecting other people's beliefs.
    Tolerate my love of freedom of expression and let me wear my Muhammad T-shirt.

    Or would my T-shirt result in me getting death threats and people gathering on the street to burn effigies of me?

    Again back on topic, I've a problem with the current situation of Hernadez for a simple reason that what he's doing shouldn't be disrespectful for others and it really isn't unless you're small minded intolerant person, and that is a problem such a person simply has to overcome.
    Who are you to say what a person should find offensive?

    This is like asking a black player to paint himself white cause the home crowd are a bunch of racist pricks who would have a problem with him simply being there.
    People don't choose what race they are.

    They do choose whether to be religious, though.

    Oh and I've stressed on the fact that as long as the action that player is taking isn't harmful from a physical point of view then he should do it but apparently you didn't take much notice did you.
    Would my T-shirt physically harm anyone?

    No?

    I'll go ahead and wear it and show it to the crowd when I score then.
     

    king Ale

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    Why should I? And how the hell did you get the picture that I find those pictures offensive? Did I ever tell you my opinion about them or did you simply generalize that simply because Im a muslim I've got to be filled with anger and bomb myself on the instinctive once I have a look at those.

    Refrain to what I replied to red about my opinion on that if you care that much about what my opinion really is in the first place.

    Oh and I've stressed on the fact that as long as the action that player is taking isn't harmful from a physical point of view then he should do it but apparently you didn't take much notice did you.
    Red made the t-shirt analogy and you said how his example was not even comparable to someone praying in the middle of the pitch, didn't you?

    Do you respect people who believe in Santa Claus? Do you respect anyone who believes anything, only because he believes? Why on earth should a person respect someone for a silly belief?

    And respect is not tolerance, by the way. If you smoke around me I can tolerate you and not punch you in the face. But I will never respect you for it.
    Exactly.
     

    JBF

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    Do you respect people who believe in Santa Claus? Do you respect anyone who believes anything, only because he believes? Why on earth should a person respect someone for a silly belief?

    And respect is not tolerance, by the way. If you smoke around me I can tolerate you and not punch you in the face. But I will never respect you for it.
    In arabic we always say that expression of respecting other people's belief so it's direct translation is what caused all this mess, I meant tolerate other people's beliefs.

    Excuse my poor English.

    Tolerate my love of freedom of expression and let me wear my Muhammad T-shirt.

    Or would my T-shirt result in me getting death threats and people gathering on the street to burn effigies of me?
    There's a big chance it would but then again when did I ever say that all muslims are tolerant?


    I for one couldn't care less if you had a tatto with that cartoon on your back and ran topless on live T.V. But then again do you really think that would get the message or would prove your point regarding free speech or whatever?

    If anything such a gesture would prove you're just another Islam hater.

    Who are you to say what a person should find offensive?
    There's no logical reason to support them being offended from a religious prayer except that of intolerance and that simply isn't an excuse.

    People don't choose what race they are.

    They do choose whether to be religious, though.
    So you think discrimination based on relegion or any other subject is excused but race?

    Red made the t-shirt analogy and you said how his example was not even comparable to someone praying in the middle of the pitch, didn't you?
    No I joked about it being harmless while it's in fact meant just to cause that to a certain group of people.
     

    Bozi

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    well done,you have dissected each post and replied in part to each and every piece of it but you forgot one thing













    actually getting the point
     

    Enron

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    kaka is not showing off "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations" mission work
    I just believe that religion is a personal matter. Sure you have the right to celebrate your beliefs but others have the right not to be subjected to them as well..
     

    GordoDeCentral

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    I just believe that religion is a personal matter. Sure you have the right to celebrate your beliefs but others have the right not to be subjected to them as well..
    well if we re talking personal opinions, i think no religious, political, or social platform should be pushed through sports. Once you step on the field nothing else should matter.
     

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    well if we re talking personal opinions, i think no religious, political, or social platform should be pushed through sports. Once you step on the field nothing else should matter.
    I think so too. I equate it to being the same as the uber-religious secretary that insists on emailing the entire office staff articles discussing the decline of morals in society.
     

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