[CL] Atletico Madrid 1-0 JUVENTUS (October 1st 2014) (3 Viewers)
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Those guys would never make it in a big club back in the day. Fuck, knowing how to pass a friggin ball is basics. Its beyond ridiculous. Amateurs, but then again, modern Football in a nutshell.
And its supposed to be the best defence in Italy, a country that's always been proud of being the best at it.
Yep in the rare occasions we bypassed the wave of pressing, we fucked it all up with bad decision making and general terrible play.
Which once again is where a pair of tricky wide players and/or a creative attacking mid would come in to play, but I guess we're at a point where we all know the solution to our problems but sadly it's out of everybodys hands until the next Summer
Llorente is supposedly the guy who we can use as an outlet especially when we're being pressed in packs, but he's not even doing the basics right so really we're in trouble in matches like these.
Which once again is where a pair of tricky wide players and/or a creative attacking mid would come in to play, but I guess we're at a point where we all know the solution to our problems but sadly it's out of everybodys hands until the next Summer
Llorente is supposedly the guy who we can use as an outlet especially when we're being pressed in packs, but he's not even doing the basics right so really we're in trouble in matches like these.
Reading these posts I think everyone has a fair point really. Nobody is undermining Atletico's credibility, and Juve did well in the sense that the game was heading for a goalless draw which wouldve been an acceptable result. Unfortunately that did not happen but it is not the end of the world.
Having said all that, I dont think it is wrong for some, me included, to be frustrated. Although Atletico was adamant in their pressing and impressive with their defense, that does not mean you let that be and accept it. Shouldnt Juve or Allegri have tried to work around it ? Tevez for example barely saw the ball. Vidal was having a pretty horrendous game. Taking all of this into view wouldnt it have been pertinent to make some changes i.e. introduction of pereyra earlier and not in 80+ minute ?
Sure realistically you can play for a draw and maybe reserve some players for the upcoming game vs Roma etc., but that does not mean you cant even try some tinkering when you have zero shots on goal up to the 70th minute, regardless of Atletico's defensive capabilities.
I am just frustrated it took Allegri that long to make his subs, so late in the game and after 1-0 down. What good would that have done? It just seemed that whilst we were doing a good job containing Atletico we didnt even try to trouble them. Defensive superiority or not, zero shots is very glaring and that had something to do with us too.
In the end the risk was taken and we have suffered a 1-0 loss which is not too bad but what matters now is how we go in and perform in the upcoming matches which will be crucial.
Having said all that, I dont think it is wrong for some, me included, to be frustrated. Although Atletico was adamant in their pressing and impressive with their defense, that does not mean you let that be and accept it. Shouldnt Juve or Allegri have tried to work around it ? Tevez for example barely saw the ball. Vidal was having a pretty horrendous game. Taking all of this into view wouldnt it have been pertinent to make some changes i.e. introduction of pereyra earlier and not in 80+ minute ?
Sure realistically you can play for a draw and maybe reserve some players for the upcoming game vs Roma etc., but that does not mean you cant even try some tinkering when you have zero shots on goal up to the 70th minute, regardless of Atletico's defensive capabilities.
I am just frustrated it took Allegri that long to make his subs, so late in the game and after 1-0 down. What good would that have done? It just seemed that whilst we were doing a good job containing Atletico we didnt even try to trouble them. Defensive superiority or not, zero shots is very glaring and that had something to do with us too.
In the end the risk was taken and we have suffered a 1-0 loss which is not too bad but what matters now is how we go in and perform in the upcoming matches which will be crucial.
Yeah the general consensus is a 1-0 loss in Madrid to Atletico is understandable. Nobody is mad we lost 1-0
But people are mad that we can't put together a single, effective attacking play in 90 minutes despite having numerous players who many consider to be amongst the best around.
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Yeah stats are pointless really
One of many examples. There are 2 playmakers
Player A makes a 2 yard sideways pass to Messi, he takes on 6 people and scores a wonder goal. The end game statistics show he got a decisive assist
Player B puts Matri in on goal 6 times, not once does he put the ball in the back of the net. The end game stats show he failed to make a single assist. A lot of people will see the basic goals & assists facts, and conclude player A was the more decisive of the two.
Same with possession and pass stats, Chiellini often has a better pass success rate than Pirlo. Is he a better passer than Pirlo? Is he more comfortable on the ball?
No, Pirlo often tries passes Chiellini would never dream of trying on FIFA.
But people are mad that we can't put together a single, effective attacking play in 90 minutes despite having numerous players who many consider to be amongst the best around.
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Yeah stats are pointless really
One of many examples. There are 2 playmakers
Player A makes a 2 yard sideways pass to Messi, he takes on 6 people and scores a wonder goal. The end game statistics show he got a decisive assist
Player B puts Matri in on goal 6 times, not once does he put the ball in the back of the net. The end game stats show he failed to make a single assist. A lot of people will see the basic goals & assists facts, and conclude player A was the more decisive of the two.
Same with possession and pass stats, Chiellini often has a better pass success rate than Pirlo. Is he a better passer than Pirlo? Is he more comfortable on the ball?
No, Pirlo often tries passes Chiellini would never dream of trying on FIFA.
This whole discussion seems eerily familiar with what happened last year after the Real Madrid match away from home. The problem is this time around we looked worse in Madrid. The same problems from last year seem to exist, and we certainly cannot wait to secure a spot in match day six. While I don't think this Atletico side is as good as last year, we will face the same misery as we did in Turkey if our backs are against the wall, needing a victory. We crack under pressure in Europe too easily.
It's only match day two, but there's nothing to suggest we are destined to progress. I'll believe it when I see it against Olympiacos.
It's only match day two, but there's nothing to suggest we are destined to progress. I'll believe it when I see it against Olympiacos.
Honestly their methods are ugly but we'd probably do better in Europe ourselves playing our own form of catenaccio because we clearly don't have the ability to break teams down in Europe with any sort of consistency.
Mind you we'd need to drop Llorente and play Coman and probably get ourselves another energetic player who can carry the ball forward at speed.
Mind you we'd need to drop Llorente and play Coman and probably get ourselves another energetic player who can carry the ball forward at speed.
People act like holding up the ball is some amazing, critical feat that gives us a major attacking advantage. Maybe it does at times. But people forget that holding up the ball also allows for the opposition to catch up to you, which means you lose the numbers advantage. If we are going to stick with the 3-5-2 where our movements are as predictable as moving a pawn two spaces forward, then at least give us some movement up top.
In my eyes there is definitely a psychological problem with this side, and it stems from the Conte era, where he time and again told everyone we couldn't compete. Atleti are who they are, no one is disputing that, but christ to not even get a shot at goal in 90 mins?
Allegri's only fault was starting Evra (I can see why he did, but it didn't work) and the late subs, he is still using Conte's template for the most part and hasn't put his true stamp on the team.
How is Llorente still starting? He hasn't had a good game so far this season and is way too static even for Serie A let alone the CL. Vidal doesn't look even close to match fitness.
I feel we could beat them in the JS but we have to show more ambition than we did in this game.
Allegri's only fault was starting Evra (I can see why he did, but it didn't work) and the late subs, he is still using Conte's template for the most part and hasn't put his true stamp on the team.
How is Llorente still starting? He hasn't had a good game so far this season and is way too static even for Serie A let alone the CL. Vidal doesn't look even close to match fitness.
I feel we could beat them in the JS but we have to show more ambition than we did in this game.
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