[CL] Atlético de Madrid 2-0 JUVENTUS [February 20th, 2019] (15 Viewers)

[s4tch]

I have and I paid about 35 euros... Now you're looking at 70 euros minimum and you wonder why the ultras are pissed? Look at how it's generally empty around the rest of the stadium too. A season ticket used to average around 200 euros about 5 years ago now that has sky rocketed too

ultras are pissed because they used to get tons of tickets that they redistributed for double, triple prices. tons of fans who weren't as lucky as you and missed out on online ticket sales could only buy tickets from ultras. hungarian fans paid 70-80 euros for regular 30 euro tickets for years, and the "added value" landed at christian, the ticket guy of viking. these groups simply milked their fellow supporters, and now went on a strike because they have to pay the same price than they asked for the tickets for years. poor ultras, give me a break.

also, about empty seats: https://www.transfermarkt.com/juventus-turin/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/506
average attendance is the 3rd highest in the new stadium era. empty seats you're seeing might be due to some season ticket owners not attending the match.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

I paid 80 euro to sit in the central area on the side of the pitch against Bologna

It's expensive but it's also the cost of buying better players

We barely ever sell out any more because of the price hikes. I think the club have marketed the prices completely wrong. Charging premier league prices to people who have lower incomes than a working class people in England it's completely out of proportion

 

[Salvo]

We barely ever sell out any more because of the price hikes. I think the club have marketed the prices completely wrong. Charging premier league prices to people who have lower incomes than a working class people in England it's completely out of proportion

Until we get more revenue from other avenues what else can we do?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Are they on strike because of the high ticket prices in general or because they don't get special deals?

Ticket price is just something easy to protest against. But I'd say it's more than that, it's the general disdain this club shows for its fans.

It's pretty simple: the club wants to attract more tourists. People who attend, for example, one game a season are much more likely to spend big, not only on the ticket itself but also on merchandise, a membership, etc.
If you attend all games you pay less per game & you're obviously not going to be buying stuff from the store every time you're there.

So what they're aiming for now is decreasing the amount of season tickets (hasn't happened so far, but inevitably will soon enough since these prices are skyrocketing as well). Which they hope will increase the amount of tourists. But will it? Early signs point to the exact opposite...

I would pay a million € for the ticket if that would help the club win the freakin' CL:

And yet now you're paying €0 (I assume).

also, about empty seats: https://www.transfermarkt.com/juventus-turin/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/506
average attendance is the 3rd highest in the new stadium era. empty seats you're seeing might be due to some season ticket owners not attending the match.

3rd highest in this new era, means 3rd highest out of 6 or 7 seasons (number of available seats was lower in either the first season or first 2 seasons, I forgot).
It also means less than in 16/17 & 17/18.
And this happens in the season where we signed you know who. The season where you would logically think demand would increase rather than decrease. Doesn't that tell you something?

Until we get more revenue from other avenues what else can we do?

If you ask me, you'll see our income from ticket sales increasing over the next few years & you'll see our attendance rates decreasing.

 

[enzo]

Ticket price is just something easy to protest against. But I'd say it's more than that, it's the general disdain this club shows for its fans.
It's pretty simple: the club wants to attract more tourists. People who attend, for example, one game a season are much more likely to spend big, not only on the ticket itself but also on merchandise, a membership, etc.
If you attend all games you pay less per game & you're obviously not going to be buying stuff from the store every time you're there.

So what they're aiming for now is decreasing the amount of season tickets (hasn't happened so far, but inevitably will soon enough since these prices are skyrocketing as well). Which they hope will increase the amount of tourists. But will it? Early signs point to the exact opposite...

Yeah, I get it. To be honest I'm pretty fed up by what football has become and is becoming. It's been about money a long time, but now it's really getting into the extreme. Everything is a marketing decision first, to push the brand (of the club, the president, the player, the stadium), then anything else. I mean I love Juve and I love to watch them play, but what this business has become is just ridiculous.
The "normal" people, the fans are the first to fall on the way side. All the social responsibilities, duties, social glue in society clubs used to have, now have been put aside to make room methods allowing to squeeze the last euro out of everything, also the fans.
I'm following a second club here in Austria, which is playing in the second division and it's completely the opposite. You can really be part of the club and the club tries to give back to the fans wherever it can. One would argue, that you can't compare these two, but after all both are football clubs.

 

[Valerio.]

I have and I paid about 35 euros... Now you're looking at 70 euros minimum and you wonder why the ultras are pissed? Look at how it's generally empty around the rest of the stadium too. A season ticket used to average around 200 euros about 5 years ago now that has sky rocketed too

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Mainly the ticket prices amongst other things

nope dude.
in 2011 the first season ticket was 275€ as a Bonus.
Since then it increased up to 595+2€ the money I paid last summer to renew it.
in 2017-2018 it was 490€ there was a +100€ increase for Ronaldo.

Hope they'll stop or I'll have to share my season ticket with someone attending only half of the matches ;(
I really can't invest more than 600euro/year + 260euro/year for sky

Back then I used to attend some CL matches and coppa Italia but not anymore

 

[s4tch]

3rd highest in this new era, means 3rd highest out of 6 or 7 seasons (number of available seats was lower in either the first season or first 2 seasons, I forgot).
It also means less than in 16/17 & 17/18.
And this happens in the season where we signed you know who. The season where you would logically think demand would increase rather than decrease. Doesn't that tell you something?

no, it doesn't. stadium capacity is slightly above 41k, our average attendance is still over 39k. on average, we lost 300 (!!!) spectators compared to last season. three hundred spectators, not even one percent on average.

if you check the detailed records, you can see that with cl matches included, attendance was over 40k on 9 occasions, and over 39k on an other 3 occasions. that makes 12 out of 16 home games:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/juven...eim_gast=heim&punkte=&datum_von=-&datum_bis=-
also, there were 2 matches with significantly lower attendance: a friday game against chievo, and a monday game against frosinone.
friday matches:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/juven...eim_gast=heim&punkte=&datum_von=-&datum_bis=-
monday matches:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/juven...eim_gast=heim&punkte=&datum_von=-&datum_bis=-
last season, we had 33k against olympiacos, 29k against genoa (monday match!). the season before, 33k against sevilla, an other cl night. 2015/16: 29k against chievo on a regular saturday night match, 32k against toro (coppa game), with considerably lower ticket prices.

does it tell you something? because honestly, it shouldn't. the attendance is fine.

however, the ambience is shitty, just because our snowflake ultras are doing a shitty job. that's something to talk about.

 

[Wittl]

however, the ambience is shitty, just because our snowflake ultras are doing a shitty job. that's something to talk about.

Or ambience is shitty because ultras can't afford tickets anymore, because prices are incredible high. that's something to talk about.

 

[Valerio.]

no, it doesn't. stadium capacity is slightly above 41k, our average attendance is still over 39k. on average, we lost 300 (!!!) spectators compared to last season. three hundred spectators, not even one percent on average.

if you check the detailed records, you can see that with cl matches included, attendance was over 40k on 9 occasions, and over 39k on an other 3 occasions. that makes 12 out of 16 home games:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/juven...eim_gast=heim&punkte=&datum_von=-&datum_bis=-
also, there were 2 matches with significantly lower attendance: a friday game against chievo, and a monday game against frosinone.
friday matches:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/juven...eim_gast=heim&punkte=&datum_von=-&datum_bis=-
monday matches:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/juven...eim_gast=heim&punkte=&datum_von=-&datum_bis=-
last season, we had 33k against olympiacos, 29k against genoa (monday match!). the season before, 33k against sevilla, an other cl night. 2015/16: 29k against chievo on a regular saturday night match, 32k against toro (coppa game), with considerably lower ticket prices.

does it tell you something? because honestly, it shouldn't. the attendance is fine.

however, the ambience is shitty, just because our snowflake ultras are doing a shitty job. that's something to talk about.

WRONG again dude.
stadium full capacity is 41,507 and away sector hold 2099 sits. So juventus fans can hold at best 39.408

So we can't fill away zone unless away fans buy tickets!
meaning Juventus-Frosinone = around 1800 empty seats that can't be sold to anyone but Frosinone fans.
And that goes on for minor teams. The few times away sector is full is against Inter,Milan,Napoli and few more.

Those empty sits matter in your fullfilment %

 

[s4tch]

Or ambience is shitty because ultras can't afford tickets anymore, because prices are incredible high. that's something to talk about.

i like quality shitposting done right, but this is simply wrong. ultras _are attending matches, they are just quiet, and trying to keep everyone else quiet.


do you support these?

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WRONG again dude.
stadium full capacity is 41,507 and away sector hold 2099 sits. So juventus fans can hold at best 39.408

So we can't fill away zone unless away fans buy tickets!
meaning Juventus-Frosinone = around 1800 empty seats that can't be sold to anyone but Frosinone fans.
And that goes on for minor teams. The few times away sector is full is against Inter,Milan,Napoli and few more.

Those empty sits matter in your fullfilment %

that was the same situation for the previous years. as there are no separate records for the away sector attendances, we can only guess how these tickets were sold during previous years.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Until we get more revenue from other avenues what else can we do?

I'd like to quote what Bayern said about increasing ticket prices would hit the fans more than actually providing that much more income to the club

 

[Valerio.]

i like quality shitposting done right, but this is simply wrong. ultras _are attending matches, they are just quiet, and trying to keep everyone else quiet.


do you support these?

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that was the same situation for the previous years. as there are no separate records for the away sector attendances, we can only guess how these tickets were sold during previous years.

Exaclty so you only get whole stadium stats.
What I can tell you is that many away fans protested against juventus prices and decided to not attend so thats also might be a reason. Our fans that follow the team has also have to pay really expensive tickets

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I'd like to quote what Bayern said about increasing ticket prices would hit the fans more than actually providing that much more income to the club

Bayern can keep low prices as they sell a lot of beer. Not joking xD

 

[Wittl]

i like quality shitposting done right, but this is simply wrong. ultras _are attending matches, they are just quiet, and trying to keep everyone else quiet.

do you support these?

It's not shitposting. And I do not support them, but I understand it somehow. Look how much the season ticket prices increased below.

Do you find it okay that we have almost the highest prices for tickets in Europe? In the list below are the cheapest option listed. We are 5th, PSG 17th, the rest are british stadiums.

Here we have to consider that the avarege income of an Italian is much lower. So maybe there are still some ultras in the stands who are protesting by not singing during the game. But what are they supposed to do? Just take it and keep the club increase the prices every year. At a point they really cannot afford it anymore if this trend goes on.

So if you're okay with the prices, be also okay with the shitty atmosphere, because it's where we're heading now.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

@Witll won this thread

 

[Goodfella]

I'm too lazy to read but 579 pounds is what it costs an ultra to attend all matches all year round?

 

[Valerio.]

I'm too lazy to read but 579 pounds is what it costs an ultra to attend all matches all year round?

to attend 19home games
Dunno current € and £ exchange but in euro it's 595 back before Sterline drop 579£ would have been 650 or more €

 

[JuveJay]

Stadium size is key here.

 

[Valerio.]

Stadium size is key here.

and for the next 20years nothing will change

 

[Goodfella]

to attend 19home games
Dunno current € and £ exchange but in euro it's 595 back before Sterline drop 579£ would have been 650 or more €

So ultras can't pony up 50 euros per month for the privilege of attending virtually every home match of Juventus, which is their life and religion?

That's some whack shit son.

 

[s4tch]

...So maybe there are still some ultras in the stands who are protesting by not singing during the game. But what are they supposed to do? Just take it and keep the club increase the prices every year. At a point they really cannot afford it anymore if this trend goes on.

no, there are not SOME ultras. that's a completely false argument. the curva is basically full of people, the ultras are attending the matches. if they chose to buy the tickets, it means they can afford it. let's not be hypocrites. you visited the stadium several times, and never complained about ticket prices.

also, if you were in agnelli's place and you'd have to pick one of these shady people who got you into trouble and some more wealthy customers who will be regulars and can afford higher prices, what would you pick? i can't but repeat, we basically have the same attendance as the seasons before.

these people you're being so protective with chose to buy the tickets and turn on their club. they are supposed to cheer, yet they won't. i won't miss them for a single second if they can't afford tickets anymore. they chose to live like parasites for years, and now they are crying a river. oh snap.

tickets are expensive, yes, they are. that is one of the ways of increasing club revenue. juventus can't have players like ronaldo and dybala, and the same time, remain a cheap stadium to visit. there's literally a price to pay if we want to keep up with those english clubs.

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also @Wittl what about hungarian salaries? literally hundreds of local fans visit the stadium on a weekly basis. with the new system, they are basically paying the same prices they did last season, but this time, it's the club who gets the whole amount, not those "intermediaries" they call themselves ultras. in my book, this is a welcome change.