Can’t stand this loser mentality.
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Can’t stand this loser mentality.
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Guys, had a thought. Tides change fast in football, sure it might look hopeless right now, as in Real already have almost 13 CLs, Milan who haven't been relevant for years has 5 more CLs than us.
It might seem we're cursed and so on, but consider that we will live at least 30 more years, that's 30 more seasons, I refuse to believe that a club like Juve won't have at least 3 CL wins in that time and dunno about you but that would be more than enough for me, I will not stop watching CL, I will absorb the bad years so the much-awaited desperate win feels that much better, I will be hopeful and optimistic, VAR is coming, Fino alla fuckin fine boys!
PS we will always have Italy to dominate.
It might seem we're cursed and so on, but consider that we will live at least 30 more years, that's 30 more seasons, I refuse to believe that a club like Juve won't have at least 3 CL wins in that time and dunno about you but that would be more than enough for me, I will not stop watching CL, I will absorb the bad years so the much-awaited desperate win feels that much better, I will be hopeful and optimistic, VAR is coming, Fino alla fuckin fine boys!
PS we will always have Italy to dominate.
yeah, I kind of disagree about Robben as well 
I don't think that the guys with a strong suit (like Robbens killer of a left foot) are necessarily one trick ponies, they just use their strong suit more often than other options, if given the chance. same with Pool, they're built to press and play high paced game and they'll use it whenever they can, but of course they can adjust and do something else when the opponent doesn't want to play ball f.e.
they wouldn't be in 3rd place in CL if they couldn't do that. and Dortmund for sure wouldn't have had 2 Bundesliga titles if Klopp didn't know how to adjust his game plan to face bigger sides, smaller sides, more physical sides etc.
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so basically only Allegri, Heynckes, Pep and Zidane are top coaches? am I forgetting someone?
I don't think that the guys with a strong suit (like Robbens killer of a left foot) are necessarily one trick ponies, they just use their strong suit more often than other options, if given the chance. same with Pool, they're built to press and play high paced game and they'll use it whenever they can, but of course they can adjust and do something else when the opponent doesn't want to play ball f.e. they wouldn't be in 3rd place in CL if they couldn't do that. and Dortmund for sure wouldn't have had 2 Bundesliga titles if Klopp didn't know how to adjust his game plan to face bigger sides, smaller sides, more physical sides etc.
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so basically only Allegri, Heynckes, Pep and Zidane are top coaches? am I forgetting someone?
Lol you're talking like these are some stone wall incidents like as if it would have changed the course of the tie. Btw these are the kind of lists half of Serie A team's fans would make when they play us because they fish for the tiniest of excuses when they lose. You're clutching at straws at all those points.
Truth of the matter is Bayern were wasteful and bottled a lot of chances. It had nothing to do with ref favouring Madrid or whatever.
Big teams get favoured everywhere. Bayern when they won CL benefited from a lot if ref favours. Barca in their prime was pretty obvious. It's no different with Madrid when they started winning in Europe in 2014. It's just the nature of the game. Perhaps we need to win a CL or two to get some ref decisions go our way. Let's not be hypocrites and leave it to Napoli/Inter fans for having this petty mentality and crying conspiracy over refs.
Truth of the matter is Bayern were wasteful and bottled a lot of chances. It had nothing to do with ref favouring Madrid or whatever.
Big teams get favoured everywhere. Bayern when they won CL benefited from a lot if ref favours. Barca in their prime was pretty obvious. It's no different with Madrid when they started winning in Europe in 2014. It's just the nature of the game. Perhaps we need to win a CL or two to get some ref decisions go our way. Let's not be hypocrites and leave it to Napoli/Inter fans for having this petty mentality and crying conspiracy over refs.
Klopp had a terrible season that year, but thats all that is, a bad season for an otherwise brilliant manager. All managers have bad seasons, even the very best.
As for the second part, I actually agree with you that everyone knows how Klopps teams are going to play, I also agree that he either can't or at the very least won't adapt his style of play, you obviously have known him longer than me, so it seems like he's always been playing the same style of football. Where we disagree though is how easy it is to stop it, if it were easy to stop his teams when you know how to play, he wouldn't have won two bundesliga titles and reached two CL finals with teams that are not considered usual contenders.
In terms of tactical flexibility, I think its a tradeoff sometimes. Klopp has coached teams that are not expected to win their league titles or reach CL finals, in order to do those things he has to overachieve. I think what he does is drill his teams to play a specific way, they work on it all the time and do nothing else to the point they become masters at high pressing, and playing quick attacking football. Look at his starting 11 at Pool, there are some names in there that are really average, but as a collective they've become so good at playing Klopps style. Of course to reach that level of specialization and get his team to play as a collective better than the sum of their parts, he's had to sacrifice things like tactical flexibility and having a strong organized defense.
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Maybe not, but he never effects a fundamental change to his style of football.
Liverpool will always play a high line, press high up the pitch in numbers, and when they have the ball play quick football, they'll always set up with a 4-3-3. You won't ever see them change that style fundamentally or change their tactical shape. Whearas other managers who are considered more tactically flexible like Mourinho for example, may change his style of play in a certain match based on the opponent. He'd do things like put in an extra midfielder to man mark a specific player, he'd change his teams shape and play with a 3 at the back if needed, he'd play defensive football, counter attacking football or sometimes (like the game against Pool) classic British route one football.
Mourinho, Allegri and Zidane I would consider tactically flexible managers; Klopp not so much.
As for the second part, I actually agree with you that everyone knows how Klopps teams are going to play, I also agree that he either can't or at the very least won't adapt his style of play, you obviously have known him longer than me, so it seems like he's always been playing the same style of football. Where we disagree though is how easy it is to stop it, if it were easy to stop his teams when you know how to play, he wouldn't have won two bundesliga titles and reached two CL finals with teams that are not considered usual contenders.
In terms of tactical flexibility, I think its a tradeoff sometimes. Klopp has coached teams that are not expected to win their league titles or reach CL finals, in order to do those things he has to overachieve. I think what he does is drill his teams to play a specific way, they work on it all the time and do nothing else to the point they become masters at high pressing, and playing quick attacking football. Look at his starting 11 at Pool, there are some names in there that are really average, but as a collective they've become so good at playing Klopps style. Of course to reach that level of specialization and get his team to play as a collective better than the sum of their parts, he's had to sacrifice things like tactical flexibility and having a strong organized defense.
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Maybe not, but he never effects a fundamental change to his style of football.
Liverpool will always play a high line, press high up the pitch in numbers, and when they have the ball play quick football, they'll always set up with a 4-3-3. You won't ever see them change that style fundamentally or change their tactical shape. Whearas other managers who are considered more tactically flexible like Mourinho for example, may change his style of play in a certain match based on the opponent. He'd do things like put in an extra midfielder to man mark a specific player, he'd change his teams shape and play with a 3 at the back if needed, he'd play defensive football, counter attacking football or sometimes (like the game against Pool) classic British route one football.
Mourinho, Allegri and Zidane I would consider tactically flexible managers; Klopp not so much.