A league with Juventus, Roma and Napoli is stronger than a league with Bayern and.. well, Bayern. Not to mention there's also Milan and Inter which are bound to recover at some point.
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You know I'd take that argument if it was just one league title, in fact it would be a very valid argument, but he won two back to back bundesliga titles. Also, no matter what you think about the Bundesliga, you still have to beat Bayern over a 34 game season to win it, that in itself is a massive achievement.
I don't think its fair to compare him to Allegri, he hasn't had the chance to manage a team like Juventus. I think its a very different kind of challenge though, when you coach a team that is expected to win, so I don't know how Klopp would do in those kind of settings, but until then its difficult to compare them.
In Klopps defense though I will say that if he reaches the CL final this season, he'll have reached two CL finals, just like Allegri.
Not necessarily. Thats what I'm trying to argue. Everyone knows how Klopps teams are going to play, it doesn't mean you'll know how to stop it though. Thats why tactical flexibility IMO is a vastly overrated trait when it comes to managers. Pep knows how Klopp is going to play everytime, Pep is also a coach that has a brilliant record against a lot of very good managers, yet even he hasn't been able to come up with a way to consistently counter Klopps teams even when the latter's teams have been mostly inferior.
Even in football, when Robben has the ball on the right wing, most of the time you know exactly what he's going to do, he's one of the most predictable players ever. It doesn't mean you can stop him though, as many fullbacks have found out.
In all cases, we can debate this until we're blue in the face, but at the end of the day whether he's a one trick pony or not, the one thing we can't deny, is that he has overachieved with Dortmund and he looks like he's going to do the same with Pool regardless of what his strengthes and weaknesses are as a coach.
I don't think its fair to compare him to Allegri, he hasn't had the chance to manage a team like Juventus. I think its a very different kind of challenge though, when you coach a team that is expected to win, so I don't know how Klopp would do in those kind of settings, but until then its difficult to compare them.
In Klopps defense though I will say that if he reaches the CL final this season, he'll have reached two CL finals, just like Allegri.
Not necessarily. Thats what I'm trying to argue. Everyone knows how Klopps teams are going to play, it doesn't mean you'll know how to stop it though. Thats why tactical flexibility IMO is a vastly overrated trait when it comes to managers. Pep knows how Klopp is going to play everytime, Pep is also a coach that has a brilliant record against a lot of very good managers, yet even he hasn't been able to come up with a way to consistently counter Klopps teams even when the latter's teams have been mostly inferior.
Even in football, when Robben has the ball on the right wing, most of the time you know exactly what he's going to do, he's one of the most predictable players ever. It doesn't mean you can stop him though, as many fullbacks have found out.
In all cases, we can debate this until we're blue in the face, but at the end of the day whether he's a one trick pony or not, the one thing we can't deny, is that he has overachieved with Dortmund and he looks like he's going to do the same with Pool regardless of what his strengthes and weaknesses are as a coach.
That's true, but I think you can only be called a great manager if you have demonstrated that you are able to coach a massive club. As far as I'm concerned Klopp is a very talented and very promising manager. He'll either have to coach Madrid, Juventus or Bayern to be considered one of the best managers in the world or he'll have to turn Liverpool into a title and CL contender year in year out.
They're cowards.
In regards to Klopp, he has a style of play and lives and dies by it. He's landed on his feet with their CL draw/run and Salah in god-like form, but also deserves credit because ultra direct and attacking football can work really well for you in this competition, and it's not just Salah but the front four and supporting players.
The're still going to concede goals as they don't concentrate on team defending, but really it now they are in the final and again he'll treat it like a shoot-out, they can't play another way.
In regards to Klopp, he has a style of play and lives and dies by it. He's landed on his feet with their CL draw/run and Salah in god-like form, but also deserves credit because ultra direct and attacking football can work really well for you in this competition, and it's not just Salah but the front four and supporting players.
The're still going to concede goals as they don't concentrate on team defending, but really it now they are in the final and again he'll treat it like a shoot-out, they can't play another way.
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yeah, I kind of disagree about Robben as well 
I don't think that the guys with a strong suit (like Robbens killer of a left foot) are necessarily one trick ponies, they just use their strong suit more often than other options, if given the chance. same with Pool, they're built to press and play high paced game and they'll use it whenever they can, but of course they can adjust and do something else when the opponent doesn't want to play ball f.e.
they wouldn't be in 3rd place in CL if they couldn't do that. and Dortmund for sure wouldn't have had 2 Bundesliga titles if Klopp didn't know how to adjust his game plan to face bigger sides, smaller sides, more physical sides etc.
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so basically only Allegri, Heynckes, Pep and Zidane are top coaches? am I forgetting someone?
I don't think that the guys with a strong suit (like Robbens killer of a left foot) are necessarily one trick ponies, they just use their strong suit more often than other options, if given the chance. same with Pool, they're built to press and play high paced game and they'll use it whenever they can, but of course they can adjust and do something else when the opponent doesn't want to play ball f.e. they wouldn't be in 3rd place in CL if they couldn't do that. and Dortmund for sure wouldn't have had 2 Bundesliga titles if Klopp didn't know how to adjust his game plan to face bigger sides, smaller sides, more physical sides etc.
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so basically only Allegri, Heynckes, Pep and Zidane are top coaches? am I forgetting someone?
Allegri (regardless of whether the magic between him and Juve is gone, he is an incredible manager), Zidane (it's too many trophies and it's not just Ronaldo, the dude is fearless), Sarri (anyone who can make Napoli into a machine deserves credit, but I do not think he should come anywhere near Juventus) and Simeone (if you win La Liga with Atletico Madrid and you reach two CL finals, that speaks volumes).
Out of those four I think Allegri is probably the most intelligent manager tactically, while Simeone instills fire in his players.
