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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Agree on the last part, but if Salah doesn't grab Ramos' arm in the first place, no one get's injured.

Salah isn't completely innocent in this, no. And I've seen Ramos do much worse on a pitch. But to say that it was an innocuous challenge and Ramos is just unlucky is just silly imo.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
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Salah isn't completely innocent in this, no. And I've seen Ramos do much worse on a pitch. But to say that it was an innocuous challenge and Ramos is just unlucky is just silly imo.
And it almost certainly wasn't.

But as you said, partial blame has to go to Salah as well. He grabbed Ramos, they fell, and Ramos willingly took into account to injure Salah by not releasing him.

However, Ramos has no reason to complain, he brought this upon himself by committing several dirty fouls in the past, no wonder the majority of football fans doesn't look twice before solely blaming him for what happened.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
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What do you see in the vid though?
Ramos taking down Salah and landing on his shoulder on purpose
 

il brutto

Senior Member
Jun 6, 2015
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You see these kind of situations in pretty much every game. People grabbing each other and falling to the ground. It's ridiculous how out of proportion this thing has gotten.

The only reasonable explanation is that people just love to hate Ramos. I do too as he is a spiteful character. That episode with Salah doesn't even make it to the top 100 dirty things Ramos has done on a football pitch.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
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I see a tussle between two players, but at the moment they're going down Salah lets go as to not injure anyone. Ramos instead decides to keep holding Salah thus making it potentially dangerous for Salah.
What? If anything, that videos shows two players fighting for the ball and nothing but bad luck (for Salah), when they go down.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
23,709
It was bad luck that Ramos kept Salah's arms locked in his and allowed all his weight to fall onto the latter's arm? :lol:
In principle; yes. Salah getting injured is not what the ref should base his decision on. It’s the tackle and intention. This situation was clearly not endangering or reckless.

Where do you even see Ramos keeping his arm locked? People make out to be a wrestling tackle.
 
Aug 22, 2007
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In principle; yes. Salah getting injured is not what the ref should base his decision on. It’s the tackle and intention. This situation was clearly not endangering or reckless.

Where do you even see Ramos keeping his arm locked? People make out to be a wrestling tackle.
How is it not reckless if it ended with a dislocated shoulder?

How could you not know that falling on someone's arm like that could fuck up their arm or shoulder?
 
Aug 22, 2007
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It is. Just watched another video. Ramos actually looks like keeping his arm in lock. I still won’t say it’s a definitely red. I just can’t see how it’s a reckless challenge.
Whether it's a red or not is a different story, it might have been hard for the ref to decide intent. But to me it was definitely intentional. Maybe not to dislocate his shoulder, but to do some damage
 

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