Capello is going for sure (1 Viewer)

May 4, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++


i hate capello because he's an overrated scumbag who's now getting credit on milan's failure

i love lippi because he was a great coach and a great person

i dont hate zlatan but i think he is selfish ball hogging prick.

erm, no..

again, i dont hate cassano but if he comes its possible that juve will have the most explosive strike forse. we'll self destruck with two indisciplined and immature attackers. one of the better reason for del piero to stay.

i hate you because youre an idiot but that doesnt matter.
No comment to a Dp fan! u dont understand me, i dont understand u! u be U and ill be me!

Forza Capello
Forza Zlatan
Forza Cassano
Forza Juventus !
 

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May 4, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Diobaggio ] ++
****!!

we have just won Serie A and some of you complain????

the reason we won serie A is because of the WINNING MENTALITY Capello gives all his teams

i think some of you have gone mad!!!
yeah DioBaggio, its crazy isenit! but some ppl just dont get it!
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


.. This is coming from the team that scored the most serie a goals, and conceded the least... much like Capello did with Roma last season, but you would argue they were an offensive team wouldnt you?

If you cant credit a coach who managed to close up such a shakey defence (which just for the record not even Lippi could do), got the best out of biggest underperformers such as Camorenesi (whom was called numerous times to be chucked out before this season), and in the end managed to get a good game out of Del Piero, then hell, what more do you want? We even got further in the CL then we did last year, and were unlucky to go out. What more could you want? We cant win the double consistently every year.
Actually I did credit Capello all I'm saying is that he's not the saviour people are making him out to be. I've commended him for the work he's done in Turin but he did make mistakes. I'm not calling for a change in management just for slight changes in tactics. What more do I want? Only for us to play a bit less cagey.
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


Actually I did credit Capello all I'm saying is that he's not the saviour people are making him out to be. I've commended him for the work he's done in Turin but he did make mistakes. I'm not calling for a change in management just for slight changes in tactics. What more do I want? Only for us to play a bit less cagey.
Every coach in the world makes mistakes. its the ones that make the least which win the trophies.

Im personally fine with the way they play, the rest of serie a can laugh as much as they want but can you complain, really suggest a change in tactics when it has won us the serie a trophy? I certainly can not.

This was also Capello's first season. let him 'capelloize' Juventus a bit and maybe we can also see a bit better football.
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++

What I am saying is that we actually did make chances, we didnt tuck them away, the tactic was actually not so bad. Yes it was experimental, but we created chances so it was not a failure in that respect, it was a failure only because no goal was scored.

Thought to answer a previous post Seven, Last season we did have a limited transfer budget, so what he did with what he had was tremendous actually.
Come on, man! Capello's tactics against Liverpool weren't bad? Praise him for our success in the league if you must but Capello was nothing short of poor against Liverpool. In the second leg the team played with a lack of urgency instilled by Capello's insistence to be patient. They played like a team who were already through to the next round, as if a goal was surely going to come, as if it was only a matter of time. The tempo was frustratingly poor and in the last 15 minutes we played kick ball. If you don't think that it is the coach's responsibility to do something about those things then you haven't a clue. Would you mind refreshing my memory as to what chances we created in that second leg? Zlatan's miss from Zamboy's cross and Cannavaro's header from DP's set piece were all we created in 90+ minutes of football. Is that good enough for you? Well it isn't for me and that has to change in 05 if not we'll lose to a team that we are better than again.
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++

Every coach in the world makes mistakes. its the ones that make the least which win the trophies.

Im personally fine with the way they play, the rest of serie a can laugh as much as they want but can you complain, really suggest a change in tactics when it has won us the serie a trophy? I certainly can not.

This was also Capello's first season. let him 'capelloize' Juventus a bit and maybe we can also see a bit better football.
I don't want more attacking football for entertainment or my personal pleasure, I want it for success. IMHO we don't need to start two DMs with a defence as strong as ours. Having Emerson and Blasi together in the middle of the park makes us extremely predictable and this predictability was our downfall against Liverpool in the CL. They were able to sit back and just soak up the pressure because they could see what was coming next. Camoranesi is our only real source of creativity in midfield and he can't do it on his own. Another tactical error that Capello and many others make is sitting back when a goal up. It's foolish, especially against weaker teams when you can keep the pressure up and score more goals.
 

Chxta

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Nov 1, 2004
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Remember that this same Capello joyfully took our flag and danced round the Delle Alpi.
He has never done that anywhere else!
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


I don't want more attacking football for entertainment or my personal pleasure, I want it for success. IMHO we don't need to start two DMs with a defence as strong as ours. Having Emerson and Blasi together in the middle of the park makes us extremely predictable and this predictability was our downfall against Liverpool in the CL. They were able to sit back and just soak up the pressure because they could see what was coming next. Camoranesi is our only real source of creativity in midfield and he can't do it on his own. Another tactical error that Capello and many others make is sitting back when a goal up. It's foolish, especially against weaker teams when you can keep the pressure up and score more goals.
However, if Capello was to do that he would leave himself exposed to counter attacks. There is two sides to every coin Stuart; if it was so good to do that every team in the world would do that.

Defensive football brings sucess- not to mention we scored more goals then so called attacking Inter- so really, we are not a defensive side as we are perceived.
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


Come on, man! Capello's tactics against Liverpool weren't bad? Praise him for our success in the league if you must but Capello was nothing short of poor against Liverpool. In the second leg the team played with a lack of urgency instilled by Capello's insistence to be patient. They played like a team who were already through to the next round, as if a goal was surely going to come, as if it was only a matter of time. The tempo was frustratingly poor and in the last 15 minutes we played kick ball. If you don't think that it is the coach's responsibility to do something about those things then you haven't a clue. Would you mind refreshing my memory as to what chances we created in that second leg? Zlatan's miss from Zamboy's cross and Cannavaro's header from DP's set piece were all we created in 90+ minutes of football. Is that good enough for you? Well it isn't for me and that has to change in 05 if not we'll lose to a team that we are better than again.
Lets look at it this way:

The tactic was out there. It was strange, but if Capello played his standard 4-4-2 which obviously did not work against Liverpool, then we would all want his head. At least he tried to do something different- this tactic also help shut off liverpools Catenaccio. We were hardly threatenend by pool really, only if Zebina made a mistake if i recall correctly.

We were inches away from going through. I really cant fault capello for his tactics to be honest- if Cannavaro would of jumped one inch more to the right then we would of at least been in the Semis. It was also important to make sure liverpool did NOT score against us at home. If Capello would of used a so called attacking formation- and we would of conceded one goal on a liverpool counter attack- then it would of been curtains.

So can one really blame Capello for just searching for the one goal and no more? No, he doesnt take risks. Capello probably said to his players to keep playing their game and the chances will come. Which they did, few and far between, but we were unlucky and liverpool defended well.

Even so, unless we would of won the trophy- we would of had to make a mistake along the way. Capello did alot of things right- who expected us to go through against Madrid? Not I.

I also remember a fantastic chip by thuram to Zlatan- though he was an idiot and didnt get to the ball quick enough (or volleyed straight at dudek- dont quite remember)

So in the end Stu, remember our first leg game against pool- we created nothing in the first half because our 4-4-2 tactic was ineffective against pool. We were lucky in the second half to have the keeper gift us that goal too. Del Piero also had a legit goal chalked off. So basically, it was either play with the 4-4-2 and get squashed at home- play with a 4-3-3 and be caught out on the counter which liverpool are good at- or try an experimental tactic. That is at least the way i view it anyway.

Its amazing how quickly Capello's tactics against madrid were forgotten- even the best can slip up once in a while.
 
May 4, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


However, if Capello was to do that he would leave himself exposed to counter attacks. There is two sides to every coin Stuart; if it was so good to do that every team in the world would do that.

Defensive football brings sucess- not to mention we scored more goals then so called attacking Inter- so really, we are not a defensive side as we are perceived.
 

peckface

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Oct 3, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++
Remember that this same Capello joyfully took our flag and danced round the Delle Alpi.
He has never done that anywhere else!
That crossed my mind as well. He did not cheer for he's own success, he chered for the club. :star:
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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our players and our essence as a team allow us to play only defensive football,
this is our strong point, we have no other option,
our creative problems arent only Cap's fault ,
as he hadnt no tools for the job,
after this transfer period he wont have any xcuses,

Elnurs statements covr the story very well,
it was a high quality post,wich past unnoticed
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by pecker ] ++

That crossed my mind as well. He did not cheer for he's own success, he chered for the club. :star:
This guy has won league championships across Europe and a CL before, but I never before saw him go wild as he did on the way through the tunnels against Madrid. You just can't fake that with a guy as stoic and reserved on the outside as he is.

For all the bitterness about him being a romanista at heart, etc., it's clear that he's really into this club and isn't jaded by his past successes.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


This guy has won league championships across Europe and a CL before, but I never before saw him go wild as he did on the way through the tunnels against Madrid. You just can't fake that with a guy as stoic and reserved on the outside as he is.

For all the bitterness about him being a romanista at heart, etc., it's clear that he's really into this club and isn't jaded by his past successes.
How do you account for it, Gregory? I remember seeing him on tv as Milan thrashed Barcelona 4-0 and he didn't give away any emotion at the time. And he was both much younger and less successful than he is now.
 

Eaglesnake_1

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Mar 28, 2004
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Lets remember that Capello was a player of Juve long ago, and he won some scudetti with us. Its difficult not to believe that a has developed a complex inner relation with the team . Even with his strong independent mind, he has evolved some kind of identity with us. And, as everybody says,in the past i hasnt seen him so emotional as he was with this season victories...

Lets hope that will bring us success.....
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++

However, if Capello was to do that he would leave himself exposed to counter attacks. There is two sides to every coin Stuart; if it was so good to do that every team in the world would do that.

Defensive football brings sucess- not to mention we scored more goals then so called attacking Inter- so really, we are not a defensive side as we are perceived.
I'm not proposing we go from one extreme to the other. Replacing Blasi with someone like David Pizarro wouldn't make us as vulnerable as you seem to think it would. I'm not calling for Ronaldinho or Aimar, I want someone who would help Emerson with the defensive duties as well as distribute. Blasi and Tacchinardi are far too one dimensional. Someone like Edu or Maniche would make us a lot more dangerous in attack but we wouldn't sacrifice a great deal at the other end of the pitch, not with Emerson infront of an already solid back four.
 

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