Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (54 Viewers)

[gsol]

Gsol,why would Moggi make 13 phonecalls to Bertini(the refree) during the 24 hours preceding one of the biggest matches of the season between Milan and Juventus on 18th Dec 2004?Bertini didnt allow Milan 2 clear penalties to Milan during the match,and even the press criticised him for that.I suppose Moggi was only asking Bertini how his family was doing and if his kids were in good health.No?Moggi must be really REALLY concerned to stretch a mere discussion about Bertini's family to 13 calls i guess.And again,Why would Moggi give 2 swiss SIM cards to Pairetto?One of these cards were handed over to Bergamo in turn.

And please dont give me shit about feeling your 'wrath',or your 'tough little i-dont-take-anyones-crap' attitude.

To cheat. Obviously. He fixed the match. It's the only possibility right? (sarcasm)

Your stupid question has confirmed that you haven't been reading. There are no calls between Moggi and Bertini or any referees with the exception of Paparesta calling Moggi and getting the phone slammed in his face.

The only reason you think Moggi called Bertini is because of the SIM Card tables which were presented after the verdict and as stated many times already, show signs of being generated by a computer. No one else bothers to ask why they weren't presented as evidence by the prosecution? It was just part of the media frenzy.

It's in court now though...because Moggi brought it to court. Just ask yourself. If those tables were legit would Moggi present them in court in his appeal to show how they were used to sway public opinion and ruin his reputation? or would the prosecution use them to prove their point.

You guys preach common sense...use it

By the way the wrath comment was Denco not me. Read carefully.

 

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[denco]

Let me say what I find wrong with this whole business and why I don't agree with most of what has been said here.

If I was as obssessed as Gsol is to vindicate Juventus and took 1 year off to do so then this is what I would have done.

I would have taken my fair ass to Italy and would have spoken to the person that wrote the article in stampa and la republicca

I would have spoken to Gazetta Corriera della sport . That 81 year old judge, I would have spoken to either him or a member of his family

I would have spoken to the tv media, the juventus ultras, I would have tried to speak to moratti, every member of Figc including Vincini.

Other clubs representatives I would have spoken to.

I do not believe in official documents because they are usually diluted so there is no need for all of that.

I would have minded if some of these guys spoke off the record but I would gather as much evidence as I can to vindicate Juventus.

I do not do this person said that and that person said this, if it was not told to me directly then it is not evidence.

I would gather concrete evidence that these guys actually set Juventus up. I am not just going to say this person worked with htis person and has business dealings with that person so it means they are in collusing.

It is suspicious but is not evidence

Evidence is when you get them to admit it whether its on or off the record

Remember now I am toatlly obssessed with vindicating Juventus and took a year out so I have time to do a lot of things. The woman that allegedly admitted that she tampered with evidence would be spoken to by me.

It would be impossible to speak to all these people but belive you me I would have tried.

Then when i am done proving that we were set up I would go to every Italian football club side that has a website and forum and start to tell my findings and conclusions.
I would not care if I am ridiculed as my only goal would be to absolve Juventus of all wrong-doings.

The last place I would go to is to a Juventus forum to prove to Juventus fans that Juventus were innocent.

I sure as hell would not take 2 months trying to convince supporters if I have not managed to put doubt in the minds of other club's supporters.

Believe you me then is no way in hell that I would not be talking to Moggi or someone that knows him inside out to find out the truth because after all that is what we are after is it not?

If I am then totally convinced that Juventus is innocent then the whole world is knowing about this.

I am writing and calling English media, I am writing or trying to reach Michel Platini

I am telling you I am bringing Italian football to a standstill because this is not a small deal.

That would be what 1 year out of my life would constitute then I can start coming to Juventus forum and tell them about my findings with direct quotes from the people I spoke to, perhaps provide telephone recordings, something tangible done by ME.

I do not want to fall out of love with football the way that I cannot watch Athletics any more with all the doping so Id rather not know how much cheating and corruption goes in Italian football.

For those asking for evidence of Juventus cheating; with the greatest respect this is not the place to find out. You need to visit other forums if you are hell-bent on finding the truth. If they cannot produce something concrete or saying things that are off-point then you know you are onto something but you may not like what you hear.

You wanna know if Juve have cheated in the past then talk to Parma fans, Siena fans, Inter fans, Lazio fans, Milan fans and other non Juve fans. Sure they would not be the most objective but you will have a better balance.

Me I'd rather sit in ignorance, its bad enough I know there are people asking for referees for games be it friendlies or cl matches.

I am not stating anything for a fact because I don't know anything for a fact but if the head of calcio is caught on the phone saying Lazio has to be favoured then god help us all.

Seriously why is Moggi giving SIM cards to referees, why is calling a referee X amount of times?

Lets face it this thread is about getting us off on a technicality not us being innocent.

If we were innocent then technicalities of illegal wiretaps, Meani, Lazio and Fiorentina would not come into the conversation at all. It will be all about how Juventus were screwed.

How the hell do you prove someone fixed a game in this day and age? It would be absolutely stupid to be offering bribes that can be traced.

There are more subtle ways of doing it. Look at the tennis scandal how do you prove that Davydenko was actually throwing matches if he does not confess? It is almost impossible to prove , it does not mean it didn't happen.

Amazing how a matter of right and wrong always seems to bring out the lawyers in everybody.

Just my 50 cents

 

[Azzurri7]

You're such a child.

One more post of this in here and you wont be happy. You're not better than Burke.

 

[gsol]

Just my 50 cents

Denco come on. First of all I never took a year off actually it’s been a rough year as far as work is concerned but even if I took a year off, speaking to all hose people is nearly impossible and useless. In Italy it is hard enough speaking to your own doctor let alone club managers and judges but I have to say that even in England you can’t possibly tell me that you would be capable of just showing up at the FA and speaking to judges, or speaking personally with Abramovic. Come on, even if you did why would they admit to you that they set another team up.

Then going around and saying “so and so told me this” is not evidence because unless it is recorded no one will believe you. People will only believe it if it is recorded or documented. When I post a newspaper quote…is that not the same?

Don’t say that the documents are diluted since you can’t read them and since you know the court is obligated to release all of them in heir entirety to shareholders.

That being said I did go to Italy and have made contact with various entities namely journalists and authors but club managers is going a bit far.

Funny you say the last place you’d go is a Juventus forum because this is the last place I came. I’ve already convinced many Milan, Roma, Reggina, even Inter fans, etc. that there was more to this trial.

“I am writing and calling English media, I am writing or trying to reach Michel Platini”

Already did.

“For those asking for evidence of Juventus cheating; with the greatest respect this is not the place to find out. You need to visit other forums if you are hell-bent on finding the truth. If they cannot produce something concrete or saying things that are off-point then you know you are onto something but you may not like what you hear.”

Did that too. I shut them up at a few anti-juve forums. They actually had shit.

“You wanna know if Juve have cheated in the past then talk to Parma fans, Siena fans, Inter fans, Lazio fans, Milan fans and other non Juve fans. Sure they would not be the most objective but you will have a better balance.”

That’s absurd. They are just as biased and have every reason to be. You want to know if they cheated go to Adiconsum and ask if they discovered a trend of corrupt officiating that favored Juve. We already did and the result was no cheating.

"Seriously why is Moggi giving SIM cards to referees, why is calling a referee X amount of times?"

Denco stop repeating yourself. Moggi has brought that to court to show that his lawyers and technicians found evidence that the calls were computer generated and every single referee said that Moggi gave them no SIM Card. It's been stated again and again. Either you don't read it or hate the answer but stop bringing it up because you force me into repetition.

"Lets face it this thread is about getting us off on a technicality not us being innocent."

Not being guilty isn't a technicality Denco

"If we were innocent then technicalities of illegal wiretaps, Meani, Lazio and Fiorentina would not come into the conversation at all. It will be all about how Juventus were screwed."

They come in to the conversation because they were part of the trial. Why eliminate parts of it?

"How the hell do you prove someone fixed a game in this day and age? It would be absolutely stupid to be offering bribes that can be traced."

Recorded conversations, wire transfers (remember that family member accounts and offshore accounts were analyzed too), an actual pattern of officiating behaviour (that shows Juve only being favored and never held back), confessions, etc. They found none of that.

"There are more subtle ways of doing it. Look at the tennis scandal how do you prove that Davydenko was actually throwing matches if he does not confess? It is almost impossible to prove , it does not mean it didn't happen."

Are you implying that suspicious merits relegation denco?

 

[denco]

Denco come on. First of all I never took a year off actually it’s been a rough year as far as work is concerned but even if I took a year off, speaking to all hose people is nearly impossible and useless. In Italy it is hard enough speaking to your own doctor let alone club managers and judges but I have to say that even in England you can’t possibly tell me that you would be capable of just showing up at the FA and speaking to judges, or speaking personally with Abramovic. Come on, even if you did why would they admit to you that they set another team up.

Then going around and saying “so and so told me this” is not evidence because unless it is recorded no one will believe you. People will only believe it if it is recorded or documented. When I post a newspaper quote…is that not the same?

Don’t say that the documents are diluted since you can’t read them and since you know the court is obligated to release all of them in heir entirety to shareholders.

That being said I did go to Italy and have made contact with various entities namely journalists and authors but club managers is going a bit far.

Funny you say the last place you’d go is a Juventus forum because this is the last place I came. I’ve already convinced many Milan, Roma, Reggina, even Inter fans, etc. that there was more to this trial.

“I am writing and calling English media, I am writing or trying to reach Michel Platini”

Already did.

“For those asking for evidence of Juventus cheating; with the greatest respect this is not the place to find out. You need to visit other forums if you are hell-bent on finding the truth. If they cannot produce something concrete or saying things that are off-point then you know you are onto something but you may not like what you hear.”

Did that too. I shut them up at a few anti-juve forums. They actually had shit.

“You wanna know if Juve have cheated in the past then talk to Parma fans, Siena fans, Inter fans, Lazio fans, Milan fans and other non Juve fans. Sure they would not be the most objective but you will have a better balance.”

That’s absurd. They are just as biased and have every reason to be. You want to know if they cheated go to Adiconsum and ask if they discovered a trend of corrupt officiating that favored Juve. We already did and the result was no cheating.

"Seriously why is Moggi giving SIM cards to referees, why is calling a referee X amount of times?"

Denco stop repeating yourself. Moggi has brought that to court to show that his lawyers and technicians found evidence that the calls were computer generated and every single referee said that Moggi gave them no SIM Card. It's been stated again and again. Either you don't read it or hate the answer but stop bringing it up because you force me into repetition.

"Lets face it this thread is about getting us off on a technicality not us being innocent."

Not being guilty isn't a technicality Denco

"If we were innocent then technicalities of illegal wiretaps, Meani, Lazio and Fiorentina would not come into the conversation at all. It will be all about how Juventus were screwed."

They come in to the conversation because they were part of the trial. Why eliminate parts of it?

"How the hell do you prove someone fixed a game in this day and age? It would be absolutely stupid to be offering bribes that can be traced."

Recorded conversations, wire transfers (remember that family member accounts and offshore accounts were analyzed too), an actual pattern of officiating behaviour (that shows Juve only being favored and never held back), confessions, etc. They found none of that.

"There are more subtle ways of doing it. Look at the tennis scandal how do you prove that Davydenko was actually throwing matches if he does not confess? It is almost impossible to prove , it does not mean it didn't happen."

Are you implying that suspicious merits relegation denco?

What does that mean there was more to this trial? That could mean that you convinced them that Juventus were not the only guilty parties and that is very different from Juventus is guilty.

I always read between the lines and if you can say that is is very difficult for judges to be forth coming to be approached then how is it possible that these same judges were so forthcoming to reveal everything about the trial?

You have rightly told me that I don't understand the Italy way of doing things and I concede that point but if a country that you portray as the one that can do whatever it likes irrespective of legal implications then why would they give a crap about releasing information to shareholders if we both concede that lawlessness is the order of the day?

More importantly I am not entirely convinced that all the documents involving the whole investigation was submitted because a lot of people were implicated.

Jason Burke the journalist for The Observer had very little motivation apart from exposing fraud in football and he said that not all the documents have and possibly would ever be made public. He has more funds that you do, I am assuming as his paper would sponsor his work but he actually spoke to Moggi's biographer, a Roman Judge and others.

He did not pass any judgement leaving that to the reader to interpret anyways they want to and more importantly he is neutral and would gain absolutely nothing from saying things about Moggi.

We would just have to agree to disagree on the Moggi debate.

Suspicions should lead to relegation?

This situation is not as straight forward as we do not have all the evidence, you saw what they wanted you to see

Remember the Carlos Tevez affair?

West Ham at the tribunal stated that he was their player and got hit by a £5m fine when relegation was the penalty for fielding an illegal player for that amount of matches.

It was after that Manchester United wanted to buy Tevez before we all knew what most suspected that he belonged to a third party, that when we heard all the facts.

My point, we do not have all the facts in this case either and Moggi knows where all the skeletons are buried, the question is why has he been silent till now?

 

[gsol]

"I always read between the lines and if you can say that is is very difficult for judges to be forth coming to be approached then how is it possible that these same judges were so forthcoming to reveal everything about the trial?"

Denco you and me won't get interviews with them but journalists for newspapers or TV got them. They were televised or printed and I provided them. I think it is wrong to dismiss that.

"You have rightly told me that I don't understand the Italy way of doing things and I concede that point but if a country that you portray as the one that can do whatever it likes irrespective of legal implications then why would they give a crap about releasing information to shareholders if we both concede that lawlessness is the order of the day?"

If they didn't they would have opened the door to a new trial Denco.

"More importantly I am not entirely convinced that all the documents involving the whole investigation was submitted because a lot of people were implicated."

Fine, I'm tired of saying that it is against the law to bury trial documents and that it would be highly improbable that judges would take suct a risk to protect a team they were relegating anyway.

"Jason Burke the journalist for The Observer had very little motivation apart from exposing fraud in football and he said that not all the documents have and possibly would ever be made public. He has more funds that you do, I am assuming as his paper would sponsor his work but he actually spoke to Moggi's biographer, a Roman Judge and others."

I read that...I swear to god I thought it was a joke. It was so full of inacuracies that I swear I thought it was like a partial gag. It was mostly based on translations from the Italian tabloids at the time but I seriously thought it wasn't to be taken seriously. Wow, that's pathetic.


"Suspicions should lead to relegation? This situation is not as straight forward as we do not have all the evidence, you saw what they wanted you to see"

No I saw what the trial produced. Trials should be fair. That one wasn't. Suspicion does not warrant a conviction. Only proof does.

"My point, we do not have all the facts in this case either and Moggi knows where all the skeletons are buried, the question is why has he been silent till now?"

He has his own radio show and has appeared numerous times on TV, and just released a book. Needless to say he's been in court all along.

 

[Seven]

One more post of this in here and you wont be happy. You're not better than Burke.

You're full of bullshit, capitano.

 

[JCK]

He's right though, you are only trolling.

 

[JCK]

Insulting past and present Juve coaches is way much less harmful than insulting other members of the forums and it cannot be compared to trolling and provoking. So, I'd rather you not give me tips on what I am supposed to do because you know the outcome.

 

[Gill_juve]

One more post of this in here and you wont be happy. You're not better than Burke.

but you have a personal vendetta against capello, it doesnt make it right to insult him.

 

[JCK]

I am sure you are the one who started it though.

 

[denco]

"I always read between the lines and if you can say that is is very difficult for judges to be forth coming to be approached then how is it possible that these same judges were so forthcoming to reveal everything about the trial?"

Denco you and me won't get interviews with them but journalists for newspapers or TV got them. They were televised or printed and I provided them. I think it is wrong to dismiss that.

"You have rightly told me that I don't understand the Italy way of doing things and I concede that point but if a country that you portray as the one that can do whatever it likes irrespective of legal implications then why would they give a crap about releasing information to shareholders if we both concede that lawlessness is the order of the day?"

If they didn't they would have opened the door to a new trial Denco.

"More importantly I am not entirely convinced that all the documents involving the whole investigation was submitted because a lot of people were implicated."

Fine, I'm tired of saying that it is against the law to bury trial documents and that it would be highly improbable that judges would take suct a risk to protect a team they were relegating anyway.

"Jason Burke the journalist for The Observer had very little motivation apart from exposing fraud in football and he said that not all the documents have and possibly would ever be made public. He has more funds that you do, I am assuming as his paper would sponsor his work but he actually spoke to Moggi's biographer, a Roman Judge and others."

I read that...I swear to god I thought it was a joke. It was so full of inacuracies that I swear I thought it was like a partial gag. It was mostly based on translations from the Italian tabloids at the time but I seriously thought it wasn't to be taken seriously. Wow, that's pathetic.


"Suspicions should lead to relegation? This situation is not as straight forward as we do not have all the evidence, you saw what they wanted you to see"

No I saw what the trial produced. Trials should be fair. That one wasn't. Suspicion does not warrant a conviction. Only proof does.

"My point, we do not have all the facts in this case either and Moggi knows where all the skeletons are buried, the question is why has he been silent till now?"

He has his own radio show and has appeared numerous times on TV, and just released a book. Needless to say he's been in court all along.

You know what you have totally confused me and that aint easy to do?

You say that the same trial that relegated Juventus without evidence and according to your postings contrary to artcile 6, that same court would order a retrial because all the evidence was not given?

You say it is against the law to bury documents and they would not take a risk in hiding evidence that they would use in burying a team they were gonna relegate regardless but it is not against the law to relegate a team without evidence?

I am sorry but the two cases cannot occur concurrently.

You cannot totally ignore the law by punishing without evidence according to your postings then care that you are breaking the law by not providing the full evidence which lead to conviction.

Pray tell who is gonna call for a retrial? From what you have posted they have disallowed evidence that would exonorate Juventus, everyone that is everyone is in collusion, the Italian legal system is fucked so who has the poer to call for a retrial if 1 particular group holds all the aces?

You do not believe Jason Burke well that is no surprise and you dismiss out of hand everything that is subjective as long as it does not buy into what you print as fact you dismiss out of hand and disparage by saying the person does not understand Italian.

Moggi has his own radio show? Well that is surprising as i thought with all the media controlled by Berlusconi and friends, he is allowed to have a radio show.

He is writing a book? Wow! He is trying to benefit from all of this as it is sure as hell is gonna be a best seller.

Just shows the kind of classy guy he is and I supposed he would donate the proceeds to charity

 

[Azzurri7]

You're full of bullshit, capitano.

Looks like you're asking for it.

Denco, gsol and some other members having serious discussion here. You can continue insulting me and Vinman in NATW.

 

[HelterSkelter]

To cheat. Obviously. He fixed the match. It's the only possibility right? (sarcasm)

Your stupid question has confirmed that you haven't been reading. There are no calls between Moggi and Bertini or any referees with the exception of Paparesta calling Moggi and getting the phone slammed in his face.

The only reason you think Moggi called Bertini is because of the SIM Card tables which were presented after the verdict and as stated many times already, show signs of being generated by a computer. No one else bothers to ask why they weren't presented as evidence by the prosecution? It was just part of the media frenzy.

It's in court now though...because Moggi brought it to court. Just ask yourself. If those tables were legit would Moggi present them in court in his appeal to show how they were used to sway public opinion and ruin his reputation? or would the prosecution use them to prove their point.

You guys preach common sense...use it

By the way the wrath comment was Denco not me. Read carefully.[/QUOTE]

Eh No.I have been reading,more than just the supposedly authentic stuff you post here.In April 2007,La Repubblica posted disclosed more details about the scandal.Sure,it was revealed after the verdict,but if you're holding to that,then you are defending Juventus on the basis of a mere technicality,a technicality which i admit,is worthwhile.However,that doesnt prove Moggi's innocence.Ill quote what i read here :

In April 2007 the Italian daily La Repubblica disclosed some new details about the Calciopoli affair. Naples prosecutors were able to find out a series of telephone calls, through foreign SIM cards between Moggi, Bergamo, Pairetto and several referees. Since the conversations were through foreign SIM cards, the Italian police could not tap them: they could only try to match together phone numbers, numbers called and places. The SIM cards had been purchased in a store in Chiasso (Switzerland). Some SIM cards would be Swiss SIM cards registered to the store owner's family, while some other would be some anonymous coming from Liechtenstein. The prosecutors also discovered the use of a Slovenian SIM card. They involved in this investigations Moggi, Pairetto, Bergamo, Fabiani (Messina sporting director), the referees De Santis, Racalbuto, Paparesta, Pieri, Cassarà, Dattilo, Bertini, Gabriele and the assistant Ambrosino. According to this investigation, Paparesta used the Swiss SIM card also for personal use, and this helped the prosecutors to discover this secret communication channel. Apparently, Moggi had five foreign SIM cards, of which two had to be used to communicate with Bergamo and Pairetto, while the other had to be used to communicate with the referees and Fabiani.

Investigating on those SIM cards, the prosecutors discovered some worrying details. During the 24 hours preceding the match Juventus-A.C. Milan, one of the most important matches of that championship, played on 18th December 2004, they discovered a series of 13 telephone calls between Moggi and Bertini, the referee of that match. They also discovered a series of 18 telephone calls between Bertini and Fabiani and another 11 between Fabiani and Moggi. According to the prosecutors, Fabiani would be the "instigator", the intermediary between Moggi and the referees. The match finally resulted in a goalless draw and all the press severely criticized Bertini for not allowing two clear penalties to A.C. Milan and for a perceived clemence with regard to Juventus

And btw,you wrote the wrath comment in the PM you sent me.I can paste it here if you're interested.

 

[ReBeL]

Essentially, you are guilty of winning.

Never saw summing up for the whole thing in a more brief way.

 

[Zé Tahir]

You find something funny?Explain to me the link between UFOs and this trail,unless intelligent and cocksure people like you suggest that Aliens had a role in plotting the downfall of Juventus too.Throw shit at me if you want,but atleast throw shit that has something to do with this topic.I guess you ran out of 'valid and logical' points which is why your incredibly BRILLIANT brain came up with something so amusing.

But wait.Im sure Inter,Moratti,Berlusconi,Milan etc were under the influence of a secret toxic substance created by the Aliens,which forced them to plot against Juventus.Afterall,Juventus did get a bad deal.Im sure Aliens had something to do with it all,which is why someone as intelligent as you would bring it up no?And no,you dont need to tell me what happens next.I already know that the real Moggi was abducted by aliens from the planet zonk while the Moggi who who got screwed over was only a decoy.

There you go.Its all because of the aliens.Juventus is innocent,and so is Moggi.And an absoloute genius called Ze Tahir discovered it all.

Oe pa ji, aram nal!

Salman you keep confusing me with someone. You make it out to sound like a giant scheme. Fact of the matter is that I don't know what happened to make all this come about and neither do you. Just because I believe in the innocence of Juve doesn't mean that I then have to agree with every conspiracy theory out there.

I simply don't agree that Juve are guilty of anything in respect to the 'evidence' presented; the manner in which it was presented; and in the manner the case was carried out.

 

[HelterSkelter]

So you're only going by what Gsol writes here.Right?

 

[Zé Tahir]

So you're only going by what Gsol writes here.Right?

JESUS! I knew this shit to begin with, nothing new has been presented here by gsol that has convinced me, it's only strengthened it. I don't read half of his posts because they're a mile long.

Capice?

 

[HelterSkelter]

Capice.Or Kapish.Whatever it is.

 

[gsol]

You know what you have totally confused me and that aint easy to do?

:

"You say that the same trial that relegated Juventus without evidence and according to your postings contrary to artcile 6, that same court would order a retrial because all the evidence was not given?"

The shareholders could demand it...it wouldn't be the court's idea.

"You say it is against the law to bury documents and they would not take a risk in hiding evidence that they would use in burying a team they were gonna relegate regardless but it is not against the law to relegate a team without evidence?"

They tried to cover their ass with the "Articolo Strutturato" bullshit but even it was not applicable to Juve because it didn't exist at the time of the infractions. That is a big part of the appeal.

"You do not believe Jason Burke well that is no surprise and you dismiss out of hand everything that is subjective as long as it does not buy into what you print as fact you dismiss out of hand and disparage by saying the person does not understand Italian."

Sorry for not taking it seriously but it was really misinformed. It was based on little more than the tabloid translations that we all already read. That's not evidence Denco it's an opinion of a guy who used trash rags like the Gazzetta as his primary source. That's a far cry from hearing a jusge admit that he felt pressured to relegate the team by external sources (Piero Sandulli)

"Moggi has his own radio show? Well that is surprising as i thought with all the media controlled by Berlusconi and friends, he is allowed to have a radio show."

Inter control the press, Milan control TV, hence why Moggi is on Kis Kis FM

"He is writing a book? Wow! He is trying to benefit from all of this as it is sure as hell is gonna be a best seller."

It is already for sale and yes it is a best seller.

"Just shows the kind of classy guy he is and I supposed he would donate the proceeds to charity"

More personal opinions Denco. After all that was written about him I think he did well to publish a book.