Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (69 Viewers)
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This is an article (Italian) that summarizes all of the unlawful things in the trial including not being allowed to listen to the tapes. I also have a video of De Santis stating exactly that but I'll have to find it later if he wants to see it. http://www.ju29ro.com/articoli/I_Processi_Fuorilegge.html#
I'm also sending you a copy of the official TAR appeal that states that Juve were not allowed to use film, wiretap, or human witnesses (Italian). You will have to send me your email though because it doesn't allow me to attach pdfs here. I will also send you De Santis' appeal which also states that he was not allowed to listen to the calls or use them in their entirety (along with video evidence) to defend himself.
I'm also sending you a copy of the official TAR appeal that states that Juve were not allowed to use film, wiretap, or human witnesses (Italian). You will have to send me your email though because it doesn't allow me to attach pdfs here. I will also send you De Santis' appeal which also states that he was not allowed to listen to the calls or use them in their entirety (along with video evidence) to defend himself.
Even though the great Agnelli is long gone and Moggi has been crucified,
we will all always be the "cheaters", for all the titles of the past AND the future...
We are now the official scapegoat and the situation will never change up until some other team replaces us.
Zhix what r u expecting to happen?
They took what they wanted...
we will all always be the "cheaters", for all the titles of the past AND the future...
We are now the official scapegoat and the situation will never change up until some other team replaces us.
Zhix what r u expecting to happen?
They took what they wanted...
As a result of posting this article before afew days:
http://www.football365.co.uk/story/0,17033,8742_2948515,00.html
James appears again and replies defending Juventus:
Tedious accusations demand tedious replies. I have to point out to Philip Cornwall that getting your information about calciopoli from 'Gazzetta dello Sport' or secondary sources quoting it is like making an informed decision on foreign policy by reading the Daily Mail. And the 'Gazzetta' was the source of pretty much all of the 'calciopoli' information, since they were the newspaper being illegally fed confidential legal documents on an ongoing investigation, and publishing only what suited their slant.
Maybe you would like to quote a more authoritive source, such as the official FA verdict, which read, bottom line, more or less like this - "You're not guilty on any counts of match fixing. You're guilty on 3 counts of unethical behaviour. But we've decided to ignore our own rule book and invent a new rule, so just especially for you, 3 unethical behaviours = 1 match fixing, so we're sentencing you for match fixing".
That's like being condemned for murder after throwing 3 punches at someone who is still very much alive. The reason for this is actually stated in black on white in the official verdict by one of the judges: "we tried to interpret the popular sentiment" i.e. screw evidence and justice, if public opinion want Juve in Serie B that's where we'll send them.
By the way the official 'calciopoli' case in the Italian civil courts is due to begin shortly. It will be interesting to see the conclusions arrived at after a trial where the defence lawyers can present evidence, have more than a half an hour speech in the whole proceedings, and are actually allowed to defend themselves.
And I'm sure that having the case judged by judges who were not nominated by the prosecution might also be seen as a bit of a more objective trial in that bastion of legality and democracy that is the UK.
James
Micallef, Amsterdam
http://www.football365.co.uk/story/0,17033,8742_2948515,00.html
James appears again and replies defending Juventus:
Tedious accusations demand tedious replies. I have to point out to Philip Cornwall that getting your information about calciopoli from 'Gazzetta dello Sport' or secondary sources quoting it is like making an informed decision on foreign policy by reading the Daily Mail. And the 'Gazzetta' was the source of pretty much all of the 'calciopoli' information, since they were the newspaper being illegally fed confidential legal documents on an ongoing investigation, and publishing only what suited their slant.
Maybe you would like to quote a more authoritive source, such as the official FA verdict, which read, bottom line, more or less like this - "You're not guilty on any counts of match fixing. You're guilty on 3 counts of unethical behaviour. But we've decided to ignore our own rule book and invent a new rule, so just especially for you, 3 unethical behaviours = 1 match fixing, so we're sentencing you for match fixing".
That's like being condemned for murder after throwing 3 punches at someone who is still very much alive. The reason for this is actually stated in black on white in the official verdict by one of the judges: "we tried to interpret the popular sentiment" i.e. screw evidence and justice, if public opinion want Juve in Serie B that's where we'll send them.
By the way the official 'calciopoli' case in the Italian civil courts is due to begin shortly. It will be interesting to see the conclusions arrived at after a trial where the defence lawyers can present evidence, have more than a half an hour speech in the whole proceedings, and are actually allowed to defend themselves.
And I'm sure that having the case judged by judges who were not nominated by the prosecution might also be seen as a bit of a more objective trial in that bastion of legality and democracy that is the UK.
James
Micallef, Amsterdam
Denco and Salman.
I've been a fan ever since the early nineties so I have come across some great success both in Italy and in Europe. Offcourse last year was an all time low.
I live in Belgium and it is not always easy to be a Juventus fan. There is hardly any news on Juve except on the net and what reached the press was allways negative the last couple of years. Negative play under Capello, doping, calciopoli, stadium problems, low attendances...
We took a new start and life is looking rosy again, we are doing something truly axceptional. We are competitibe again at the highest level after falling so deep.
I know things aren't perfect , there is always room for improvement but I never imagined we would do so well so soon.
My love for this team is greater then ever. Maybe the scudetto is stiil out of reach but no other team would recover this fast after such an ordeal.
I live in Belgium and it is not always easy to be a Juventus fan. There is hardly any news on Juve except on the net and what reached the press was allways negative the last couple of years. Negative play under Capello, doping, calciopoli, stadium problems, low attendances...
We took a new start and life is looking rosy again, we are doing something truly axceptional. We are competitibe again at the highest level after falling so deep.
I know things aren't perfect , there is always room for improvement but I never imagined we would do so well so soon.
My love for this team is greater then ever. Maybe the scudetto is stiil out of reach but no other team would recover this fast after such an ordeal.
A Juve fan who always replies to Anti-Juve writers in football365.com. Here are some of his previous replies:
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1131426#post1131426
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1319859#post1319859
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1131426#post1131426
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1319859#post1319859
