Siena lost almost to all teams in Serie A, so why is the focus on us only? Is it because we lend them players? Or is it because they use same colors as we do?
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Considering that I still haven't found one single evidence as a fan, nor read anything clear that makes us guilty and deserve to be treated the way we were last year. I'm not buying the accusations some of you are putting.
I don't know why many of you are arguing and believe that we cheated....I'm very open minded person and I'd like to accept the fact that we were thrown in Serie B for a REASON. But ffs there's not even ONE single evidence, thats all i'm asking as a fan, some evidence to show that we did deserve to be in Serie B.
Im not blinded fan, and like I said, I would be the first one to believe that we were in charge of all the mafia things we've done. But so far I'll have to say that we didn't deserve anything that was taken from us nor Serie B.
Until we're proven guilty then they can take them away from me as a fan, so far i'll keep in mind the 29 Scud.
I don't know why many of you are arguing and believe that we cheated....I'm very open minded person and I'd like to accept the fact that we were thrown in Serie B for a REASON. But ffs there's not even ONE single evidence, thats all i'm asking as a fan, some evidence to show that we did deserve to be in Serie B.
Im not blinded fan, and like I said, I would be the first one to believe that we were in charge of all the mafia things we've done. But so far I'll have to say that we didn't deserve anything that was taken from us nor Serie B.
Until we're proven guilty then they can take them away from me as a fan, so far i'll keep in mind the 29 Scud.
I was gonna post this in the other thread but before I did, it was closed and it is because of your comments.
You dont like my posts anymore that fine but when you start saying I don't have common sense then I cannot let that kinda statement just pass me by and I am gonna react.
I am not going to insult but I am gonna warn you that 1 more insult and you feel my full wrath as you ought to know I don not take anybody's crap
Thosse that asked the question, why should Moggi cheat when he had so many champions at his disposal and why after we have won so many championships then let me answer by pasting what has been pasted 1 million times already
FIGC President (at the time): Franco Carraro (ex-Milan President and co owner of Lazio/Roma through his control of Capitalia Credit Bank)
- La Lega Calcio President: Adriano Galliani (Milan Vie President)
- Italian Referees Association (AIA) President: Tulio Lanese good friend and political affiliate of Silvio Berlusconi and known Milanista (known on wire taps as Tulio “miLanese”)
- FIGC Referee Designers: Bergamo and Pairetto underlings of Carraro, Lanese, and Galliani as evidenced by the wire taps…now Collina after secretly meeting with Galliani assumed that role
- Prime Minister (at the time): Silvio Berlusconi who controls several TV stations, magazines, and newspapers, as well as controlling one of Italy’s biggest political parties (Forza Italia). Through his TV station ownership Berlusconi controls all Soccer TV rights (therefore ad revenue) for all teams competing in Serie A and B (this would later be used as blackmail to keep Milan in the Champions League).
- Italian Soccer Sponsor: Tronchetti Provera (massive Inter shareholder and personal friend of Moratti) owns Telecom Italia and its sister company TIM Mobile and which not only provided Inter owner Moratti with phone intercepts but also sponsors all soccer competition in Italy (Serie A TIM, Coppa Italia TIM, Supercoppa Italiana TIM)…also owns Pirelli Tires (Inter primary sponsor) and also owns LA7 (major Italian TV Station)
- Federcalcio (FIGC Investigations) President: Borelli, a political associate of Berlusconi and discovered having meetings behind closed doors with Galliani throughout the trial
- Federcalcio Commissioner: Guido Rossi, major Inter shareholder and former Inter director also sat on Telecom Italia’s board of directors
- President of la Gazzetta dello Sport: Carlo Bore also acting as Vice President of Inter
- Editor and Chief of la Gazzetta dello Sport: Verdelli and Cannavo’ both Inter shareholders
- Vice President of Federcalcio: Massimo Moratti Inter Owner
- Current Commissioner of the Federcalcio Investigating Inter for Accounting Fraud: Stefanini acting lawyer for La Spezia soccer team (40% of which is owned by Moratti)
How is that for common sense Ikhinosa? If you still do not grasp it MEANS IT IS BECAUSE HE WAS AGAINST SO MANY POWERFUL PEOPLE SO HE HAD TO USE THE METHODS HE KNOWS
Those that ask for evidence for us that disagree with this thread? Are you kidding?
Just because I and other Juve lovers say we believe that Juve cheated, we are not gonna look for evidence to prove it.
If you sibling commits a crime and you know they did are you really gonna provide evidence just to prove you are right?
Just in case that slipped by ya, we may be Juventus fans and believe they were up to no good but WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO OUTOF OUR WAY TO PROVE IT.
COMMON SENSE: Juventus has more than 1 million fasn in Italy most of them working class, what do working class people like to do? They fight back if they think they are being taken for a ride so why no million people rioting?
Why no boycotting of serieA matches since the guys that brought us down are still there?
You don't need influnetial people to bring a country to a standstill you just need people
Pray tell who is UEFA president and where did he make his reputation? Why is he not shouting about the rooftops about the injustice of it all.
This is an artcicle about Moggi written by someone that is neutral just a reporter doing some investigative work
You ask yourself how come the president of the federation is asking for referee to help lazio and this is the reason lazio were not releagted not the financial aspect that we were told
Too many people were implicated and that is why you and I and everyone else does not know the full story
Ask yourself how come Moggi was at Lazio when they were implicated in 81 scandal? Maradona's cocaine usage being hidden and the fact that Milan were said to have bribed Napoli with cocaine to lose the 1987/88 championship when they were leading. Moggi was there at the time
Why ask for a favourable against swedish no hopers in Cl and getting his wish and we go on to win 4-1 after drawing 2-2 at home in a game that would have cost us millions?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1830656,00.html
Just use some objectivity to read and you will find out how corrupt the Italian league us. There was no proof but was that because they did not find any or was it because a lot more people would have been implicated if the whole truth came out?
Like I said this thread is worthless to me but I could not let you go away with insulting my intelligence as my mama did not raise no fool.
You wanna believe half baked evidence thats fine but this is not entrirely Gsol's fault it is what he is allowed to see that he shows you guys but the fact of the matter is that he was not allowed to see everything but he steadfastly does not want to think about what he is saying
He keeps saying this is fact that is fact. Unfortunately they are just half baked truths.
Dasaev raised an important point in that Juventus were actually going through a tough period drawing match to match and then they meet Siena with 70% of their squad or more affiliated with GEA and we are 3-0 within 8 minutes but that not suspicious?
It is not set in gold that it was fixed but it does raise eyebrows
Ikhinosa this is for you do not question my intelligence ever again. Disagree with my posts and opinions I don't care but insulting me is another thing as you have said a lot of stuff about France that i totally disagree with but i dont call your intelligence into play so desist from it
You dont like my posts anymore that fine but when you start saying I don't have common sense then I cannot let that kinda statement just pass me by and I am gonna react.
I am not going to insult but I am gonna warn you that 1 more insult and you feel my full wrath as you ought to know I don not take anybody's crap
Thosse that asked the question, why should Moggi cheat when he had so many champions at his disposal and why after we have won so many championships then let me answer by pasting what has been pasted 1 million times already
FIGC President (at the time): Franco Carraro (ex-Milan President and co owner of Lazio/Roma through his control of Capitalia Credit Bank)
- La Lega Calcio President: Adriano Galliani (Milan Vie President)
- Italian Referees Association (AIA) President: Tulio Lanese good friend and political affiliate of Silvio Berlusconi and known Milanista (known on wire taps as Tulio “miLanese”)
- FIGC Referee Designers: Bergamo and Pairetto underlings of Carraro, Lanese, and Galliani as evidenced by the wire taps…now Collina after secretly meeting with Galliani assumed that role
- Prime Minister (at the time): Silvio Berlusconi who controls several TV stations, magazines, and newspapers, as well as controlling one of Italy’s biggest political parties (Forza Italia). Through his TV station ownership Berlusconi controls all Soccer TV rights (therefore ad revenue) for all teams competing in Serie A and B (this would later be used as blackmail to keep Milan in the Champions League).
- Italian Soccer Sponsor: Tronchetti Provera (massive Inter shareholder and personal friend of Moratti) owns Telecom Italia and its sister company TIM Mobile and which not only provided Inter owner Moratti with phone intercepts but also sponsors all soccer competition in Italy (Serie A TIM, Coppa Italia TIM, Supercoppa Italiana TIM)…also owns Pirelli Tires (Inter primary sponsor) and also owns LA7 (major Italian TV Station)
- Federcalcio (FIGC Investigations) President: Borelli, a political associate of Berlusconi and discovered having meetings behind closed doors with Galliani throughout the trial
- Federcalcio Commissioner: Guido Rossi, major Inter shareholder and former Inter director also sat on Telecom Italia’s board of directors
- President of la Gazzetta dello Sport: Carlo Bore also acting as Vice President of Inter
- Editor and Chief of la Gazzetta dello Sport: Verdelli and Cannavo’ both Inter shareholders
- Vice President of Federcalcio: Massimo Moratti Inter Owner
- Current Commissioner of the Federcalcio Investigating Inter for Accounting Fraud: Stefanini acting lawyer for La Spezia soccer team (40% of which is owned by Moratti)
How is that for common sense Ikhinosa? If you still do not grasp it MEANS IT IS BECAUSE HE WAS AGAINST SO MANY POWERFUL PEOPLE SO HE HAD TO USE THE METHODS HE KNOWS
Those that ask for evidence for us that disagree with this thread? Are you kidding?
Just because I and other Juve lovers say we believe that Juve cheated, we are not gonna look for evidence to prove it.
If you sibling commits a crime and you know they did are you really gonna provide evidence just to prove you are right?
Just in case that slipped by ya, we may be Juventus fans and believe they were up to no good but WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO OUTOF OUR WAY TO PROVE IT.
COMMON SENSE: Juventus has more than 1 million fasn in Italy most of them working class, what do working class people like to do? They fight back if they think they are being taken for a ride so why no million people rioting?
Why no boycotting of serieA matches since the guys that brought us down are still there?
You don't need influnetial people to bring a country to a standstill you just need people
Pray tell who is UEFA president and where did he make his reputation? Why is he not shouting about the rooftops about the injustice of it all.
This is an artcicle about Moggi written by someone that is neutral just a reporter doing some investigative work
You ask yourself how come the president of the federation is asking for referee to help lazio and this is the reason lazio were not releagted not the financial aspect that we were told
Too many people were implicated and that is why you and I and everyone else does not know the full story
Ask yourself how come Moggi was at Lazio when they were implicated in 81 scandal? Maradona's cocaine usage being hidden and the fact that Milan were said to have bribed Napoli with cocaine to lose the 1987/88 championship when they were leading. Moggi was there at the time
Why ask for a favourable against swedish no hopers in Cl and getting his wish and we go on to win 4-1 after drawing 2-2 at home in a game that would have cost us millions?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1830656,00.html
Just use some objectivity to read and you will find out how corrupt the Italian league us. There was no proof but was that because they did not find any or was it because a lot more people would have been implicated if the whole truth came out?
Like I said this thread is worthless to me but I could not let you go away with insulting my intelligence as my mama did not raise no fool.
You wanna believe half baked evidence thats fine but this is not entrirely Gsol's fault it is what he is allowed to see that he shows you guys but the fact of the matter is that he was not allowed to see everything but he steadfastly does not want to think about what he is saying
He keeps saying this is fact that is fact. Unfortunately they are just half baked truths.
Dasaev raised an important point in that Juventus were actually going through a tough period drawing match to match and then they meet Siena with 70% of their squad or more affiliated with GEA and we are 3-0 within 8 minutes but that not suspicious?
It is not set in gold that it was fixed but it does raise eyebrows
Ikhinosa this is for you do not question my intelligence ever again. Disagree with my posts and opinions I don't care but insulting me is another thing as you have said a lot of stuff about France that i totally disagree with but i dont call your intelligence into play so desist from it
You are confusing things. He was referring to judge Cesare Ruperto in one post and in another we were discussing judges opinions that did not preside over the trial. Ruperto did.
I know goal.com isn’t credible but they didn’t conduct the poll they just translated the results.
“Yet you say cant get relegated for article 1, now you say you can.”
No buddy read carefully. They can’t and as a result modified the rules in order to create a violation that didn’t exist at the time of the wiretaps…that confirms that you can’t relegate for article 1.
“You also say sporting trials aren't the same as real trials, then say its in breach of human rights? Make your mind up.”
No man sorry again but that was Denco’s idea. Sporting trials must still follow human rights as do all types of trials.
“The transfer system, technically, is a breach of freedom of trade laws, but this, my learned friend, is the governing body of a GAME! Not, as I said before, the Supreme Court.”
Elaborate how exchanging player contracts is a breach of freedom of trade laws?
I know goal.com isn’t credible but they didn’t conduct the poll they just translated the results.
“Yet you say cant get relegated for article 1, now you say you can.”
No buddy read carefully. They can’t and as a result modified the rules in order to create a violation that didn’t exist at the time of the wiretaps…that confirms that you can’t relegate for article 1.
“You also say sporting trials aren't the same as real trials, then say its in breach of human rights? Make your mind up.”
No man sorry again but that was Denco’s idea. Sporting trials must still follow human rights as do all types of trials.
“The transfer system, technically, is a breach of freedom of trade laws, but this, my learned friend, is the governing body of a GAME! Not, as I said before, the Supreme Court.”
Elaborate how exchanging player contracts is a breach of freedom of trade laws?
As an objective viewer, I can't tell you how many times that I (and the remainder of the objective world) sat through a Juve match and thought how do they keep getting away with this. Where's the end game? You'll never appreciate quite where I'm coming from being a Juve fan, but just try to appreciate how many games, how many seasons we've seen ruined by the most scandalous, corrupt officiating in Juve's favour, be it against the minnows of Siena or the might of Milan and Inter.
If you really feel that it's swings and roundabouts (and I'd simply love to see a list of games where Juve were put upon) then...well, I have no answer to that. If you can view that Siena match content in the knowledge that all was well with both Juve and Italian football...I have no answer to that.
You can delve a mile deep in documents (for what worth they are) and clippings from a myriad of news sources seeking absolution, but it's a fool's errand. Correctly prosecuted under the right penal codes or not, it was Juve's time to pay the fiddler.
Anyway, it's been an interesting thread. Good luck with the remainder of the season guys.
If you really feel that it's swings and roundabouts (and I'd simply love to see a list of games where Juve were put upon) then...well, I have no answer to that. If you can view that Siena match content in the knowledge that all was well with both Juve and Italian football...I have no answer to that.
You can delve a mile deep in documents (for what worth they are) and clippings from a myriad of news sources seeking absolution, but it's a fool's errand. Correctly prosecuted under the right penal codes or not, it was Juve's time to pay the fiddler.
Anyway, it's been an interesting thread. Good luck with the remainder of the season guys.
Uh oh…better look out.
Didn’t this guy say he was finished?
If Denco had any of this s called common sense he wuld ask himself how on earth Moggi could cheat with that power structure standing in his way. Oh well. Let him cherp.
Someone should tell him that if he’s not willing to back up his bullshit by at least looking for evidence that he should stop posting opinions s though they were accepted facts.
Ya boycotting Serie A is the answer…let’s not support our club by buying tickets during a financial crisis…wow there’s common sense.
Once again I see our man of common sense needs to be reminded that UEFA has already sent a letter of support to Giu Le Mani Dalla Juve and are assuring us that if we are successful in our European appeal that they will be sure that the FIGC adheres to the decisions.
Moggi was at Napoli when they were cheated out of the 88 scudetto when Milan and the Camorra fixed the title. Ask yourself why Maradona and others confessed years later that they didn’t play in the last 5 games because they were receiving death threats. Must have been Moggi who was threatening them right?
The Swedish game? Actually he asked for a good ref…don’t we all want that? Listen to the call…oh yeah you can’t
In any case you are not a man of your word. You said you would not come back. It lasted 24 hours. Oh well, if you enjoy the verbal beating stick around.
Hey buddy, I have everything…know why? Because shareholders are entitled to every single piece of evidence and I ahappen to belong to the association that is headed by 250 of them. I post everything since I have nothing to hide. You post nothing but really long pointless bibles that say absolutely nothing. Half baked? I guess 120 pages of a 120 page sentence is half baked. That’s common sense.
“Dasaev raised an important point in that Juventus were actually going through a tough period drawing match to match and then they meet Siena with 70% of their squad or more affiliated with GEA and we are 3-0 within 8 minutes but that not suspicious?”
No more suspicious than the numerous draws at the end of the season that they stampeded through. Funny plenty of GEA players scored on Juve and beat them on plenty of occasions. In any case I already showed you that nearly a dozen teams had equal or more interest than Juve did in GEA. If you don’t read than I can’t help you. Take the blinders off or continue to be made a fool.
Didn’t this guy say he was finished?
If Denco had any of this s called common sense he wuld ask himself how on earth Moggi could cheat with that power structure standing in his way. Oh well. Let him cherp.
Someone should tell him that if he’s not willing to back up his bullshit by at least looking for evidence that he should stop posting opinions s though they were accepted facts.
Ya boycotting Serie A is the answer…let’s not support our club by buying tickets during a financial crisis…wow there’s common sense.
Once again I see our man of common sense needs to be reminded that UEFA has already sent a letter of support to Giu Le Mani Dalla Juve and are assuring us that if we are successful in our European appeal that they will be sure that the FIGC adheres to the decisions.
Moggi was at Napoli when they were cheated out of the 88 scudetto when Milan and the Camorra fixed the title. Ask yourself why Maradona and others confessed years later that they didn’t play in the last 5 games because they were receiving death threats. Must have been Moggi who was threatening them right?
The Swedish game? Actually he asked for a good ref…don’t we all want that? Listen to the call…oh yeah you can’t
In any case you are not a man of your word. You said you would not come back. It lasted 24 hours. Oh well, if you enjoy the verbal beating stick around.
Hey buddy, I have everything…know why? Because shareholders are entitled to every single piece of evidence and I ahappen to belong to the association that is headed by 250 of them. I post everything since I have nothing to hide. You post nothing but really long pointless bibles that say absolutely nothing. Half baked? I guess 120 pages of a 120 page sentence is half baked. That’s common sense.
“Dasaev raised an important point in that Juventus were actually going through a tough period drawing match to match and then they meet Siena with 70% of their squad or more affiliated with GEA and we are 3-0 within 8 minutes but that not suspicious?”
No more suspicious than the numerous draws at the end of the season that they stampeded through. Funny plenty of GEA players scored on Juve and beat them on plenty of occasions. In any case I already showed you that nearly a dozen teams had equal or more interest than Juve did in GEA. If you don’t read than I can’t help you. Take the blinders off or continue to be made a fool.
I bet I can list more games than you can where Juve benefitted from bad calls. Don'tthink I'm blind. I just count the opposite too and believe me it's more balanced than you think and always has been...except now. Now we're just getting fucked but I already posted a list of recent times where Juve got screwed. Go through and you can see it too. You said you are objective...give that post a try
This is in response to a lingering idea that needs to be dismantled once and for all. Certain doubters are calling my credibility into question based on the retarded notion that I am a one man army.
“Why is no one else doing anything?”
“If this was true there would be rioting in the streets…why did no one protest?”
“Most Juventini know we were guilty that’s why no one protested”
“How come you are the only one who thinks that it was a farce?”
BLAH BLAH BLAH
The uproar is huge and the fact that the people here do not speak Italian (mostly) limits their exposure to what I’m saying. The fact of the matter is that Juventuz only recently added an Italian section and as a result the Juventus fan base in Italy which is privy to the documents and wiretaps I provided spend their time on forums in Italian. A big reason I am here is to introduce English speaking Juve fans to the evidence that for nearly a year has only been discussed in Italian.
If you think I am the first or only person to have come across this info or if you think I’m a one man army you need to click on these links.
Photos from Juventus protests that I was challenged to provide
http://www.lajuvesiamonoi.it/gallery/index.html
Sites that contain Farsopoli forums with countless threads that go into extreme detail on many topics
www.j1897.com Calciopoli (Farsopoli) forum
www.vecchiasignora.com Il Teatro Dell’Asurdo
www.giulemanidallajuve.com Farsopoli
Websites dedicated to Farsopoli
www.farsopoli.com
http://www.orgoglioinbianconero.it/english/
http://www.dossierinter.com/home.html
Videos from TV show called “La Juve E’ Sempre La Juve” that airs on T9 dedicated to Farsopoli
http://dabble.com/node/28686911
http://dabble.com/node/29204631
Books published exposing the Farce…two of three written by lawyers.
Manuale di Autodifesa Juventina; La Verita’ Non Detta by Emilio Cambiaghi
Mandiamo La Juve in B by Antonello Oggiano
Juventus Il Processo Farsa by Mario Pasta and Mario Sironi
For these reasons and many more it is difficult now to find an Italian speaking Juventus fan that says that Farsopoli was a legitimate trial. Don’t say I’m alone anymore. We outnumber you I can assure you.
“I am not going to insult but I am gonna warn you that 1 more insult and you feel my full wrath as you ought to know I don not take anybody's crap”
“Why is no one else doing anything?”
“If this was true there would be rioting in the streets…why did no one protest?”
“Most Juventini know we were guilty that’s why no one protested”
“How come you are the only one who thinks that it was a farce?”
BLAH BLAH BLAH
The uproar is huge and the fact that the people here do not speak Italian (mostly) limits their exposure to what I’m saying. The fact of the matter is that Juventuz only recently added an Italian section and as a result the Juventus fan base in Italy which is privy to the documents and wiretaps I provided spend their time on forums in Italian. A big reason I am here is to introduce English speaking Juve fans to the evidence that for nearly a year has only been discussed in Italian.
If you think I am the first or only person to have come across this info or if you think I’m a one man army you need to click on these links.
Photos from Juventus protests that I was challenged to provide
http://www.lajuvesiamonoi.it/gallery/index.html
Sites that contain Farsopoli forums with countless threads that go into extreme detail on many topics
www.j1897.com Calciopoli (Farsopoli) forum
www.vecchiasignora.com Il Teatro Dell’Asurdo
www.giulemanidallajuve.com Farsopoli
Websites dedicated to Farsopoli
www.farsopoli.com
http://www.orgoglioinbianconero.it/english/
http://www.dossierinter.com/home.html
Videos from TV show called “La Juve E’ Sempre La Juve” that airs on T9 dedicated to Farsopoli
http://dabble.com/node/28686911
http://dabble.com/node/29204631
Books published exposing the Farce…two of three written by lawyers.
Manuale di Autodifesa Juventina; La Verita’ Non Detta by Emilio Cambiaghi
Mandiamo La Juve in B by Antonello Oggiano
Juventus Il Processo Farsa by Mario Pasta and Mario Sironi
For these reasons and many more it is difficult now to find an Italian speaking Juventus fan that says that Farsopoli was a legitimate trial. Don’t say I’m alone anymore. We outnumber you I can assure you.
“I am not going to insult but I am gonna warn you that 1 more insult and you feel my full wrath as you ought to know I don not take anybody's crap”
That's y I said one must know Italy,Italian culture and what is happening in Italy before asking questions. As I said before I'm very sure that many Italian Juventus fan has a much better overview in the situation than we do, just because they don't speak english doesn't mean these people don't exist.
One thing I like to note is, if everything is based on common sense, wouldn't the world will be a much more easier place to live in?
One thing I like to note is, if everything is based on common sense, wouldn't the world will be a much more easier place to live in?
Uh oh…it appears as though the conspiracy theorist has confirmed yet another financial tie. See in recent days various newspapers like “Il Sole 24 Ore” and “ANSA” where printing excerpts of a public statement made by our very own FIAT Director Luca Cordero Montezemolo discussing his ties to Marco Tronchetti Provera at Telecom Italia.
Seems the two have a very tight knit relationship as directors of another huge Italian industrial powerhouse. The company is called CONFINDUSTRIA. Both are directors there and as always…here’s the proof for those who continue to claim that I make up financial ties.
http://www.confindustria.it/Conf200...ument&MenuID=6AD28F7445DE127CC1256FAB005706A7
For those who ask what this has to do with the scandal…read the inside job posted a while back. It gets better. Look at the suit next to Tronchetti…familiar last name no? It’s Moratti’s brother. Look into his history and you’ll see he used to be the Director at “Il Corriere della Sera” which confirms again how much control Inter had in the press.
Seems the two have a very tight knit relationship as directors of another huge Italian industrial powerhouse. The company is called CONFINDUSTRIA. Both are directors there and as always…here’s the proof for those who continue to claim that I make up financial ties.
http://www.confindustria.it/Conf200...ument&MenuID=6AD28F7445DE127CC1256FAB005706A7
For those who ask what this has to do with the scandal…read the inside job posted a while back. It gets better. Look at the suit next to Tronchetti…familiar last name no? It’s Moratti’s brother. Look into his history and you’ll see he used to be the Director at “Il Corriere della Sera” which confirms again how much control Inter had in the press.
let me ask an obvious question here...
as much as I hated CRAPello, does anyone here actually believe that we werent the best team in Serie A for those 2 scudetto years, and can anyone come up with any sort of obvious pattern of "cheating" in those 2 seasons that would have prevented us from becoming champions ??
as much as I hated CRAPello, does anyone here actually believe that we werent the best team in Serie A for those 2 scudetto years, and can anyone come up with any sort of obvious pattern of "cheating" in those 2 seasons that would have prevented us from becoming champions ??
Gsol,why would Moggi make 13 phonecalls to Bertini(the refree) during the 24 hours preceding one of the biggest matches of the season between Milan and Juventus on 18th Dec 2004?Bertini didnt allow Milan 2 clear penalties to Milan during the match,and even the press criticised him for that.I suppose Moggi was only asking Bertini how his family was doing and if his kids were in good health.No?Moggi must be really REALLY concerned to stretch a mere discussion about Bertini's family to 13 calls i guess.And again,Why would Moggi give 2 swiss SIM cards to Pairetto?One of these cards were handed over to Bergamo in turn.
And please dont give me shit about feeling your 'wrath',or your 'tough little i-dont-take-anyones-crap' attitude.
And please dont give me shit about feeling your 'wrath',or your 'tough little i-dont-take-anyones-crap' attitude.
You find something funny?Explain to me the link between UFOs and this trail,unless intelligent and cocksure people like you suggest that Aliens had a role in plotting the downfall of Juventus too.Throw shit at me if you want,but atleast throw shit that has something to do with this topic.I guess you ran out of 'valid and logical' points which is why your incredibly BRILLIANT brain came up with something so amusing.
But wait.Im sure Inter,Moratti,Berlusconi,Milan etc were under the influence of a secret toxic substance created by the Aliens,which forced them to plot against Juventus.Afterall,Juventus did get a bad deal.Im sure Aliens had something to do with it all,which is why someone as intelligent as you would bring it up no?And no,you dont need to tell me what happens next.I already know that the real Moggi was abducted by aliens from the planet zonk while the Moggi who who got screwed over was only a decoy.
There you go.Its all because of the aliens.Juventus is innocent,and so is Moggi.And an absoloute genius called Ze Tahir discovered it all.
But wait.Im sure Inter,Moratti,Berlusconi,Milan etc were under the influence of a secret toxic substance created by the Aliens,which forced them to plot against Juventus.Afterall,Juventus did get a bad deal.Im sure Aliens had something to do with it all,which is why someone as intelligent as you would bring it up no?And no,you dont need to tell me what happens next.I already know that the real Moggi was abducted by aliens from the planet zonk while the Moggi who who got screwed over was only a decoy.
There you go.Its all because of the aliens.Juventus is innocent,and so is Moggi.And an absoloute genius called Ze Tahir discovered it all.
