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[GordoDeCentral]

problem is that FIGC rules forbid teams to go into real justice courts
They say you agreed on to be judged and persecuted only by sportive justice.

But we are a publicly traded company, pretty sure an argument could be made for malice to bypass that.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

problem is that FIGC rules forbid teams to go into real justice courts
They say you agreed on to be judged and persecuted only by sportive justice.

Problem is the sporting courts can punish us all they like. However a civil court can't over turn those punishments even if they clearly our name

 

[shilawieh]

Problem is the sporting courts can punish us all they like. However a civil court can't over turn those punishments even if they clearly our name

Shareholders should sue the FIGC then. don't fuck with money before regular judiciary made their verdict.
class action their ass to EC.

 

[Seven]

But we are a publicly traded company, pretty sure an argument could be made for malice to bypass that.

I think a bigger issue is whether or not parties can forfeit their right to a real court. It is accepted that they are bound by their agreement if they agree to have issues between them decided through arbitration for example, but can you really speak of an agreement when it's an FA laying down the rules? It's not like Juventus could decide not to agree, because then they wouldn't be eligible to play in Serie A.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I think a bigger issue is whether or not parties can forfeit their right to a real court. It is accepted that they are bound by their agreement if they agree to have issues between them decided through arbitration for example, but can you really speak of an agreement when it's an FA laying down the rules? It's not like Juventus could decide not to agree, because then they wouldn't be eligible to play in Serie A.

Exactly, and the malice argument, and you can correct me if i am wrong, could be based on the fact no rule was actually broken therefore FA in punishing juve could only operate from a basis of malice.

 

[Valerio.]

Facts are that it wasn't Juventus who asked for this document.
So FIGC can appeal to my dick.
It was Paratici Tottenham employee that asked for it in April of last year.
So they can suck my dick and court gave them till 13/03/2023 to hand over those documents.

Even if they wanna appeal somewhere they'll have to hand over the document first and then they can try whatever they want.

 

[Seven]

Exactly, and the malice argument, and you can correct me if i am wrong, could be based on the fact no rule was actually broken therefore FA in punishing juve could only operate from a basis of malice.

You could, but you have to keep in mind malice is very difficult to prove.

Honestly I think it's likely we won't be punished at all in the end. It just looks like they really made a mess of it and it's hurting the league way too much.

 

[Mokku]

You could, but you have to keep in mind malice is very difficult to prove.

Honestly I think it's likely we won't be punished at all in the end. It just looks like they really made a mess of it and it's hurting the league way too much.

If the points deduction is removed, I would encourage us to go after them even for malice. The reason is that even though we might not win, we would turn the tables and with that in mind, we could shit talk to the media about unfair treatment, highlight Inter and their dealings, loss of share price etc. We just need to be a pain in their arse and you can expect them to fumble at some point. Even tabloid level shit about the Napoli loving mafia controlling the case etc. It would discredit them and hopefully, this is remembered as a witch hunt more than anything else.

 

[.zero]

But we are a publicly traded company, pretty sure an argument could be made for malice to bypass that.

Especially if it impacted stock price (both Exor and Jj) then it affects shareholders which is no bueno for these paper thin governmental and sporting regulating bodies.

 

[FurioJ]

they are indeed writing a new one without the real evidence against the others clubs yep.

I’ve already heard this theory, both sarcastically and seriously In any case, those documents are digitally sealed, and it’s basically impossible to forge them or retrodate a new one. Of all the fuckery they can pull, I wouldn’t worry about that.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Shareholders should sue the FIGC then. don't fuck with money before regular judiciary made their verdict.
class action their ass to EC.

This is what I don't get, the figc have dragged us through the mud it has affected our brand, stock prices etc... and it seems like not a single stakeholder is trying to protect that by going on the counter offensive. Just defending and clearing our names its not enough, the damage has been done and nobody is taking liability for it

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Shareholders should sue the FIGC then. don't fuck with money before regular judiciary made their verdict.
class action their ass to EC.

The other problem is if this so called document annuls the penalty it doesn't actually make us innocent of the so called crimes, we just win on a technicality. In terms of malice their positions and their rather public opinions of Juve ought to be brought into serious question here just as Guido rossi should have been in 2006 given his role within inter and pirelli

 

[Valerio.]

Gravina and FIGC officially appealed to State Council against giving to Paratici and Cherubini the famous document they don't want to disclose.

This is just a way to postpone giving it away as it's invevitable.
It's very unlikely for them to win

 

[Mark]

who cares about justice right figc?

just fuck Juve up is the way.

 

[juve123]

Gravina and FIGC officially appealed to State Council against giving to Paratici and Cherubini the famous document they don't want to disclose.

This is just a way to postpone giving it away as it's invevitable.
It's very unlikely for them to win

I am sure they are hiding something big in the document so can't disclose them.

 

[Valerio.]

I am sure they are hiding something big in the document so can't disclose them.

yep else there is no point to fight so hard against releasing a "useless" document

 

[juve123]

Juventus lawyers hope the existence of the document will prove that the COVISOC asked the FIGC for clarification into the club’s finances when it came to the cost of players exchanged in capital gains deals.

If it does, then the proceeding into their accounts was opened on April 21, 2021 and therefore the current trial came beyond the date limit and all documents acquired after July 14, 2021 would not be usable against Juventus.

Meanwhile, Juventus have also lodged a different appeal against the 15-point penalty, hoping the entire trial will be considered inadmissible.
(Football italia)

 

[.zero]

who cares about justice right figc?

just fuck Juve up is the way.

Est. 1999

 

[Mark]

championship should be suspended.

 

[DAiDEViL]

championship should be suspended.

Yep.

Even if they take back the penalty, let's just ignore that players get affected by shit like this and it leads to us dropping points because of it.

Damage on and off the pitch has already been done. Just taking the penalty back is not enough.

 

[Mark]

Yep.

Even if they take back the penalty, let's just ignore that players get affected by shit like this and it leads to us dropping points because of it.

Damage on and off the pitch has already been done. Just taking the penalty back is not enough.

+ allegedly some clubs(cough inda, nipples, roma cough) shouldn't have been allowed to participate if the rumors are true about that secret paper.