Belgium is a racist nation... full of racists... (26 Viewers)

[Martin]

Naw, gay bashing is moving pretty high up the list these days unless you're from Wyoming or you belong to the Neo Nazis (we aren't Russia).

Well, there's always something. If you're a pedophile you better not admit it or you'll be run out of town. So whenever you take away some form of discrimination people will always find others.

 

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[Enron]

His lawyer's name is Jean-Louis Dupont. It sounds Belgian to me.

Right. Having a Belgian lawyers means that you are aware of Belgian law.

 

[Enron]

Well, there's always something. If you're a pedophile you better not admit it or you'll be run out of town. So whenever you take away some form of discrimination people will always find others.

Having sex with kids is no biggie.

 

[Red]

Right. Having a Belgian lawyers means that you are aware of Belgian law.

If the lawyer hasn't made his client aware of the law, he isn't doing his job very well.

Of course, the lawyer may want to use the case to raise his own profile...

 

[Martin]

Having sex with kids is no biggie.

Are you saying they would only go after him once they determined he had acted on his instincts?

 

[Enron]

Are you saying they would only go after him once they determined he had acted on his instincts?

Nope. Just saying it isn't a big deal to have sex with kids.

 

[Enron]

If the lawyer hasn't made his client aware of the law, he isn't doing his job very well.

Of course, the lawyer may want to use the case to raise his own profile...

No. Lawyers always do their best to advise their clients and are never ever ever trying to make money or raise their profile by taking a case from a guy who isn't fully aware of that particular country's law.

 

[Enron]

Are you saying they would only go after him once they determined he had acted on his instincts?

Wait are you saying you should only investigate crimes, things like this, etc if your absolutely sure they happened? Isn't that why you investigate? To find the truth whether it implicates or clears someone's name?

No that's silly.

 

[Martin]

Nope. Just saying it isn't a big deal to have sex with kids.

Still discrimination though. Some percentage of people are attracted to kids, even if they never act on it. But then you can be gay all your life and never act on it, and that's enough to get executed in some countries today so. So even if you never act on it you better not admit it.

Sexism off limits, racism off limits, homosexuality will become off limits at some point, but people still need something to hate.

 

[Martin]

Wait are you saying you should only investigate crimes, things like this, etc if your absolutely sure they happened? Isn't that why you investigate? To find the truth whether it implicates or clears someone's name?

No that's silly.

Er what? I was responding to your indignations about the lack of concern about racism in Europe. You may or may not have a point, but the fact is there's plenty of hate still left in your country once all traces of racism have been exterminated.

So I'm slightly unimpressed with your moral superiority that's all.

 

[Enron]

Still discrimination though. Some percentage of people are attracted to kids, even if they never act on it. But then you can be gay all your life and never act on it, and that's enough to get executed in some countries today so. So even if you never act on it you better not admit it.

Sexism off limits, racism off limits, homosexuality will become off limits at some point, but people still need something to hate.

Right but you shouldn't investigate whether or not someone actually has sex with kids unless he or she admits it. I think that's how the Austrian's do it.

 

[Martin]

Right but you shouldn't investigate whether or not someone actually has sex with kids unless he or she admits it. I think that's how the Austrian's do it.

You're making stuff up. You don't investigate anything without evidence. You don't randomly accuse people of doing stuff without a cause.

 

[Seven]

And can Onyewu prove it at all? Unless it's recorded or Van Damme is caught on a camera saying this, how exactly can Onyewu prove this?

Can't Van Damme say " No, i didn't call him a dirty monkey but Onyewu was insulting Belgium and the Belgian people and he said that he has information about a terrorist attack in Brussels"?

And then someone accuses someone else, and a football player from Lokeren accusses a football player from Mons, and so on and so on.

Exactly.

Oguche should just knocked him the fuck out. Things would be easier that way. Infraction followed by punishment. But you know the funny thing? You guys would still be saying 'Stupid American'.

Why? I'd congratulate him. Couldn't care less about Van Damme and I actually support Standard.

Onyewu really should get out of that league and on to a better one. Stay away from the racist fans in Belgium and Croatia.

Only reason why Gooch is getting stick is because he's an American.

If he was Dembele or Balotelli, these people would be outraged and wouldn't laugh at them suing anybody.

Yes, he's getting stick because he's American. Believe whatever the fuck you want, Andy.

I will laugh at every single guy (Literally everyone. Including someone i love from my family or a friend) if he sues another football player for something said to him during a football match.

Insult him back or do a Zidane and knock him down, but to sue him?
Please!

It's part of the American culture apparently.

Then there's no two ways about it.

You promote racism.

Yes, we must be promoting racism. It's not that we have a legal system which prevents people from undertaking their own little crusade. It's not that we, Europeans, are smart enough to realise that you don't try to resolve every single little conflict in court.

But you are Croatian.

If the league or referee won't do anything about it, then Gooch and his lawyer have a right to complain. It's not about money, not about pity, but rather about putting an end to that crap.

But I guess that's another thing that will never happen in the fantastic country of Belgium.

Meh. Sue the league while you're at it. He'll probably have a better chance winning that one anyway. Sue, sue, sue!

 

[Enron]

Er what? I was responding to your indignations about the lack of concern about racism in Europe. You may or may not have a point, but the fact is there's plenty of hate still left in your country once all traces of racism have been exterminated.

So I'm slightly unimpressed with your moral superiority that's all.

Look Martin I'm not trying to be morally superior to anyone. I say borderline racist things all the time. I find some racist jokes funny and I even tell them from time to time. But at the same time I feel everyone is equal, you know all that happy shit.

I know that there are racists in my country. And I hate them. Even if things get mostly better regarding racists, racists will still exist and I will still hate them. I hate racism, it will never go away but neither will my loathing for it. I don't think there is ever an excuse for racist speech when it's not in jest or when it hurts someone else.
My argument isn't trying to make myself feel better than you guys or anything like that. So no need to worry about that.

 

[Seven]

Wait are you saying you should only investigate crimes, things like this, etc if your absolutely sure they happened? Isn't that why you investigate? To find the truth whether it implicates or clears someone's name?

No that's silly.

In this case they only investigate if Onyewu can show the he has suffered damage. He can't, because there is none. So there shouldn't be an investigation. Normally there wouldn't be, but because it's Onyewu they might do it anyway.

 

[Enron]

Why? I'd congratulate him. Couldn't care less about Van Damme and I actually support Standard.

Even if his ejection stemming from the fight caused Standard to lose the match, title, Europe, whatever implications it had?

 

[Seven]

Even if his ejection stemming from the fight caused Standard to lose the match, title, Europe, whatever implications it had?

It wouldn't have. But I would have found it understandable, yes. I don't know many people who would get fired up because they are insulted on a football pitch, but I suppose it could happen, especially with racist insults.

But a lawsuit is just stupid.

 

[Martin]

Look Martin I'm not trying to be morally superior to anyone. I say borderline racist things all the time. I find some racist jokes funny and I even tell them from time to time. But at the same time I feel everyone is equal, you know all that happy shit.

I know that there are racists in my country. And I hate them. Even if things get mostly better regarding racists, racists will still exist and I will still hate them. I hate racism, it will never go away but neither will my loathing for it. I don't think there is ever an excuse for racist speech when it's not in jest or when it hurts someone else.
My argument isn't trying to make myself feel better than you guys or anything like that. So no need to worry about that.

I'm not sure you get what I'm saying. I'm saying to you guys racism is a big issue. But there is no shortage of issues and I personally don't see how racism is supposed to be the privileged one. You can be proud of fighting racism, but it's just one problem of many.

And we don't have the same history of racist activism so in Europe you don't see outrage over racism on the same scale. Which is what you apparently responded to in the first place.

 

[Enron]

In this case they only investigate if Onyewu can show the he has suffered damage. He can't, because there is none. So there shouldn't be an investigation. Normally there wouldn't be, but because it's Onyewu they might do it anyway.

Oh so the Belgian FA or whatever they call it wouldn't want to look into the incident?

I mean wouldn't the league be the natural place to settle such an accusation or deal out punishment in the form or a fine or suspension?

I'm asking because it's your country.

 

[Seven]

Oh so the Belgian FA or whatever they call it wouldn't want to look into the incident?

I mean wouldn't the league be the natural place to settle such an accusation or deal out punishment in the form or a fine or suspension?

I'm asking because it's your country.

The Belgian FA may or may not look into it. Although I don't know all the rules, I don't think Onyewu can do anything here either. Perhaps he can send them a letter, but because they are no court of law, they wouldn't even have to motivate their decision. They do have the ability to fine or suspend, so they could do something about. But I don't know if Onyewu contacted the Belgian FA.