Belgium is a racist nation... full of racists... (23 Viewers)

[Enron]

I'm not sure you get what I'm saying. I'm saying to you guys racism is a big issue. But there is no shortage of issues and I personally don't see how racism is supposed to be the privileged one. You can be proud of fighting racism, but it's just one problem of many.

And we don't have the same history of racist activism so in Europe you don't see outrage over racism on the same scale. Which is what you apparently responded to in the first place.

It isn't something I'd expect you to understand. Like I said earlier, racism is something Europeans will never really feel to strongly about. I mean none of you have really ever punished a group of people (in your own country) just because of their skin color. When you make a mistake like that, as a people, you tend to not want it to happen ever again. At the same time when it is such a large part of your history, it becomes a large part of your present.

 

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[Seven]

It isn't something I'd expect you to understand. Like I said earlier, racism is something Europeans will never really feel to strongly about. I mean none of you have really ever punished a group of people (in your own country) just because of their skin color. When you make a mistake like that, as a people, you tend to not want it to happen ever again. At the same time when it is such a large part of your history, it becomes a large part of your present.

We have been slaughtering Jews for centuries now though. That must count for something.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

@ Eazy: Preach, brother, preach!

 

[Enron]

The Belgian FA may or may not look into it. Although I don't know all the rules, I don't think Onyewu can do anything here either. Perhaps he can send them a letter, but because they are no court of law, they wouldn't even have to motivate their decision. They do have the ability to fine or suspend, so they could do something about. But I don't know if Onyewu contacted the Belgian FA.

I would assume so, but who knows.

 

[Enron]

We have been slaughtering Jews for centuries now though. That must count for something.

And in Europe you go to jail for denying the Holocaust.

 

[Martin]

It isn't something I'd expect you to understand. Like I said earlier, racism is something Europeans will never really feel to strongly about. I mean none of you have really ever punished a group of people (in your own country) just because of their skin color. When you make a mistake like that, as a people, you tend to not want it to happen ever again. At the same time when it is such a large part of your history, it becomes a large part of your present.

You don't have to be so patronizing about it. The fact that "we" don't share "your" values on racism doesn't mean we can't understand them. I'm perfectly aware of the fact that if I found myself in the US I'd be expected to say silly things like "African American" because "black" simply isn't PC enough for the national consciousness. But since I'm not there, I don't feel constrained by "your" rules. And as a European I can say black with impunity and anyone who could possibly have a problem with that needs to be told that "you" do not make "our" rules.

The Germans can say the same thing to you. Banning Holocaust denial isn't exactly a glowing example of free speech, but "we wouldn't expect you to understand". And yet I imagine you do understand the Germans and why they would do this.

And so I can say the same to you. I wouldn't expect you to understand how racism is treated as one issue of many in a place where we've never had racism on the scale that you've had.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes, we must be promoting racism. It's not that we have a legal system which prevents people from undertaking their own little crusade. It's not that we, Europeans, are smart enough to realise that you don't try to resolve every single little conflict in court.

In my view, it's more of an important issue than somebody spilling coffee on themselves and blaming the coffee store for the burns. It's an issue of keeping the league free from racial abuse, which should in the end help out the image of the league and the game.

But hey, it's your league. Just don't expect many new fans from places that don't tolerate light-handedness in race issues.

 

[Bjerknes]

You don't have to be so patronizing about it. The fact that "we" don't share "your" values on racism doesn't mean we can't understand them. I'm perfectly aware of the fact that if I found myself in the US I'd be expected to say silly things like "African American" because "black" simply isn't PC enough for the national consciousness.

That's not even true. So no, apparently you don't understand.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

You don't have to be so patronizing about it. The fact that "we" don't share "your" values on racism doesn't mean we can't understand them. I'm perfectly aware of the fact that if I found myself in the US I'd be expected to say silly things like "African American" because "black" simply isn't PC enough for the national consciousness. But since I'm not there, I don't feel constrained by "your" rules. And as a European I can say black with impunity and anyone who could possibly have a problem with that needs to be told that "you" do not make "our" rules.

The Germans can say the same thing to you. Banning Holocaust denial isn't exactly a glowing example of free speech, but "we wouldn't expect you to understand". And yet I imagine you do understand the Germans and why they would do this.

And so I can say the same to you. I wouldn't expect you to understand how racism is treated as one issue of many in a place where we've never had racism on the scale that you've had.

it was funny, when i was in new york i was told my cousin who lives there, african-american? you don't just call black people black?

 

[Martin]

That's not even true. So no, apparently you don't understand.

What is it that isn't true?

 

[Fred]

I will laugh at every single guy (Literally everyone. Including someone i love from my family or a friend) if he sues another football player for something said to him during a football match.

Insult him back or do a Zidane and knock him down, but to sue him?
Please!

Don't you think that Onyewu is a primadonna? I'd expect something like this from, lets say, Tiago, who's a pussy to do something on the pitch, but this Onyewu guy looks like a big dude who can solve these problems on the pitch.
If he was smart enough not to reply and to stay calm during the match, then why didn't he use his head to think that suing a football player for something said to you during a match will make you a laughing stock in the eyes of the world?

If only Cristiano Ronaldo knew this earlier. That dude is getting insulted left and right. He could've made millions if he was suing every EPL defender for being called a fag.

I'd rather a player does what Oneyu did than be selfish and do what Zidane did. So you think it's better to handle this using violence than go to court?

Sure, i don't think taking small conflicts to court is a good idea, but if the FA didn't punish Van Damme, then i find it understandable that he resorts to court. And this is by no means a small conflict.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

"Black" is accepted.

 

[Enron]

You don't have to be so patronizing about it. The fact that "we" don't share "your" values on racism doesn't mean we can't understand them. I'm perfectly aware of the fact that if I found myself in the US I'd be expected to say silly things like "African American" because "black" simply isn't PC enough for the national consciousness. But since I'm not there, I don't feel constrained by "your" rules. And as a European I can say black with impunity and anyone who could possibly have a problem with that needs to be told that "you" do not make "our" rules.

The Germans can say the same thing to you. Banning Holocaust denial isn't exactly a glowing example of free speech, but "we wouldn't expect you to understand". And yet I imagine you do understand the Germans and why they would do this.

And so I can say the same to you. I wouldn't expect you to understand how racism is treated as one issue of many in a place where we've never had racism on the scale that you've had.

Black is now the preferred term among African-Americans because most of them have never been to Africa. Just don't say black in a Rhodesian or South African accent.

Don't feel like I'm talking down to you because I'm not. I just didn't think you understood.

Europeans tend to trivialize something Americans take very seriously. For people to just laugh these things off is probably just as insulting as me putting you off by saying "you'll never understand".

If you think racism is the only single act of discrimination that Americans react to then that's a little bit off. We actually get pretty riled up about all kinds of discrimination, though not as much these days. I recommend viewing a movie called PCU, it's a bit of a satirical dramatization but it does explain the American perspective on issues fairly well.

 

[Martin]

"Black" is accepted.

What about on tv?

 

[Enron]

"Black" is accepted.

It must include 'people' after though.

 

[Enron]

What about on tv?

Yep. Black people is 'all good'. They even have BET (Black Entertainment Television). There has been a bit of a black empowerment movement in the last 15 years.

'African American' is for use if black people make you feel uncomfortable.

 

[Martin]

It must include 'people' after though.

What about "blacks"?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

What about on tv?

Yea, dude, you can even say the N Word on tv.

 

[Martin]

Yea, dude, you can even say the N Word on tv.

On the news, do they say "The suspect is a black man"?

 

[Enron]

What about "blacks"?

Yeah, but don't say it demeaningly or yell "hey you! black!".