Arturo Vidal (86 Viewers)
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They will boo, trust me
Not convinced by his comments. I was amongst those who never disliked him after moving to bayern. It was hard to believe that all that time he faked his love for our shirt.
But now, I'm convinced. He only cares about himself. His pre match comments sound so fake. He faked it and that's just disappointing.
But now, I'm convinced. He only cares about himself. His pre match comments sound so fake. He faked it and that's just disappointing.
A player can love two teams that he has worked for and look favorably at his time in both especially if he was very successful and had a great relationship with the fans. Liking Juve does not exclude liking Bayern and vice versa. If there is a club he'd be paying lip service for it is Bayern since he has not spend any extended amount of time yet and has not enjoyed a great relationship with fans or established himself as a central star.
He was clearly happy at Juve and so he should normally have emotional ties to the club and if in a few years he leaves Bayern to somewhere else having enjoyed success and a good relationship with the club and its fans he should develop ties there too. Pirlo moved to a direct rival when he came to us after an exceptional career at Milan and he too probably has emotional ties to both shirts.
It is possible that he is like Ibra "I've been a fan of X club ever since I was a child" but I think its more plausible that he is more genuine than Ibra. Even Ibra reflects favorably on his time at Juve and continuously says it was a great team and put nedved on his all time best players.
Vidal might have underestimated Juve's potential thinking there is a large gap in quality between Bayern and us but so did Conte and any player/coach that would leave Juve for what they consider a step up in their career salary-wise or quality wise. I doubt anyone would question how Conte feels about the Juve shirt. What did Vidal say against Juve? That Bayern is better and a step up? Well that is true for most people in the football world and more importantly that is definitely the reason why he moved there. Why else would you leave a place where you are very happy and enjoying great success if you did not think the new company is better for your career both financially and in terms of achievement? If Pogba or dybala ever leave it would be for the same reason; the new employer is perceived as better financially for their career and in terms of achievement. Vidal only expressed his belief explicitly and we felt insulted by it because we expect every player that said he loves the club to be a martyr for the club and because we have the image of juve from pre-2006 and not the image that the rest of the football world have (that serie A is dying and that Juve is at a lower level and has less potential than Bayern)
I would not be bitter against Allegri if he does leave for some EPL team for a bigger package and nor should you. He would be serving himself yes and that is the normal thing to do. One does not have to sacrifice his own benefit for the club (which would not do the reverse) to be considered a legend.
The old guard from Calciopoli did sacrifice their careers for the club. Any one of them could have been earning double elsewhere and winning trophies but they chose to suffer with the club. We love them because we consider what they did to be EXCEPTIONAL in every way. It is definitely not the norm. They set the bar of loyalty very high and I think that is what fuels the expectation that every Juve player that we loved or said that he loves juve to be a delpiero or a nedved.
I have always been against considering Cannavaro, Emerson, Zambrotta and the others who left as traitors. They looked after themselves just as any of us would if their employers got fucked. They don't deserve praise but they don't deserve blame. Those who deserve praise are those who sacrificed themselves for us while those who deserve blame are those who later said the club were crooks and to a less extent those who moved to rivals like Viera and Ibra.
This is what mascherano said about Liverpool who had a much worse exit from pool (kinda confirms my point):
"My feelings for Liverpool don't mean I'm tied to them," he told The Guardian.
"I have a lot of affection for them and always will have, but if in the future a Premier League team gave me a chance, you can't say: 'No, I'd only play for one team'.
"We're professionals, this is our living. Whatever happens, my feelings for Liverpool won't change."
"I was sad that I had to go the way I did. What happened is what had to happen. They promised me that if there was a good offer they'd release me because the club was in a process of disintegration.
"But the club didn't always tell the truth; it's the player whose image gets damaged, the same happened to Fernando [Torres], but things were clear: I never lied.
He was clearly happy at Juve and so he should normally have emotional ties to the club and if in a few years he leaves Bayern to somewhere else having enjoyed success and a good relationship with the club and its fans he should develop ties there too. Pirlo moved to a direct rival when he came to us after an exceptional career at Milan and he too probably has emotional ties to both shirts.
It is possible that he is like Ibra "I've been a fan of X club ever since I was a child" but I think its more plausible that he is more genuine than Ibra. Even Ibra reflects favorably on his time at Juve and continuously says it was a great team and put nedved on his all time best players.
Vidal might have underestimated Juve's potential thinking there is a large gap in quality between Bayern and us but so did Conte and any player/coach that would leave Juve for what they consider a step up in their career salary-wise or quality wise. I doubt anyone would question how Conte feels about the Juve shirt. What did Vidal say against Juve? That Bayern is better and a step up? Well that is true for most people in the football world and more importantly that is definitely the reason why he moved there. Why else would you leave a place where you are very happy and enjoying great success if you did not think the new company is better for your career both financially and in terms of achievement? If Pogba or dybala ever leave it would be for the same reason; the new employer is perceived as better financially for their career and in terms of achievement. Vidal only expressed his belief explicitly and we felt insulted by it because we expect every player that said he loves the club to be a martyr for the club and because we have the image of juve from pre-2006 and not the image that the rest of the football world have (that serie A is dying and that Juve is at a lower level and has less potential than Bayern)
I would not be bitter against Allegri if he does leave for some EPL team for a bigger package and nor should you. He would be serving himself yes and that is the normal thing to do. One does not have to sacrifice his own benefit for the club (which would not do the reverse) to be considered a legend.
The old guard from Calciopoli did sacrifice their careers for the club. Any one of them could have been earning double elsewhere and winning trophies but they chose to suffer with the club. We love them because we consider what they did to be EXCEPTIONAL in every way. It is definitely not the norm. They set the bar of loyalty very high and I think that is what fuels the expectation that every Juve player that we loved or said that he loves juve to be a delpiero or a nedved.
I have always been against considering Cannavaro, Emerson, Zambrotta and the others who left as traitors. They looked after themselves just as any of us would if their employers got fucked. They don't deserve praise but they don't deserve blame. Those who deserve praise are those who sacrificed themselves for us while those who deserve blame are those who later said the club were crooks and to a less extent those who moved to rivals like Viera and Ibra.
This is what mascherano said about Liverpool who had a much worse exit from pool (kinda confirms my point):
"My feelings for Liverpool don't mean I'm tied to them," he told The Guardian.
"I have a lot of affection for them and always will have, but if in the future a Premier League team gave me a chance, you can't say: 'No, I'd only play for one team'.
"We're professionals, this is our living. Whatever happens, my feelings for Liverpool won't change."
"I was sad that I had to go the way I did. What happened is what had to happen. They promised me that if there was a good offer they'd release me because the club was in a process of disintegration.
"But the club didn't always tell the truth; it's the player whose image gets damaged, the same happened to Fernando [Torres], but things were clear: I never lied.
Legend 
He was our worst midfielder in our best season and fucked off when we wanted to confirm our return to european top, and he was finally returning to his former form. A period in wich club and fans kept believing in the return of king arturo
His "thanks for your support and patience" was leaving to "a big club"
Fuck him, fuck him sideways and with a chainsaw. "Juve legend" please what the shit
He was our worst midfielder in our best season and fucked off when we wanted to confirm our return to european top, and he was finally returning to his former form. A period in wich club and fans kept believing in the return of king arturo
His "thanks for your support and patience" was leaving to "a big club"
Fuck him, fuck him sideways and with a chainsaw. "Juve legend" please what the shit