So what you're saying is, it's the same Bonnucci then as we see today!?
The Barzagli who was bought from Wolfsburg as Legrotaglies replacement no less, was the best defender in the world then?
You're talking about the legendary Pirlo or the one we collectively laughed at after he signed for free, for being a washed up Italian WC winner?
Do you remember what Marchisio was called for a large part before Conte's reign! Casper -and don forget he was a shadow of the player you see today coz he had just come off a season playing out wide.
As for Grande Gigi, I don't want to even remind you, but that was the Buffon who had given up on this Juve, the one who would talk to himself every time a team scored against Juv. Don't know if you remember that. I doubt you do.
None of the above mentioned were World Class (save Gigi) when Conte arrived. He integrated players, and he created a team and an identity which gave them their sense of empowerment, and which is what won us a title chasing down an Ibra-led Milan.
It's really easy to talk in hindsight when we are on the cusp of a fifth straight title. A lot of us didn't know how and when the misery would end back then, and give any coach in the world that team, and I can guarantee you nobody in the current coaching world could have won that serie a or gone undefeated. It is that miracle that created the path you currently stand on. I didn't say we'll celebrate Conte 50 years from now, but we will definitely look back and say he was the primary firestarter and a key catalyst for our success post calciopoli.
That "die before defeat" or "death before dishonor" mentality that juventus radiates, is 100% Conte.
Between 2011 and 2016, we've seen 1 excellent milan generation, 2 excellent Napoli generations and 1 excellent roma generation.
At least 2 scudetto's should have been clinched by those teams as they had a significant advantage in selection(Milan) or similar selection +much easyer schedule (napoli,roma,napoli).
But they didnt. They didnt last long enough. They burned too early. They caved once to many at a critical moment. They chocked at the wrong time.
How many times did Juventus grind out that vital point or winner in the last 30 minutes ? How many times did we went into a post european game with tired legs, and survived an onslaught to decide the game when the opponent slowed down ?
How many times did we face an opponent that was better, but got the result ?
Allegri went with inferior milan teams to european clashes, and absolutely brutalised the opponents tactically, but didnt win cause his players were castrated chockers ?
Allegri is what we need now. A tactical grandmaster. The coach we need to lead a team that has the right mentality, and passes it over to the next generation.
It was Conte who created the first generation with that mentality. And we will build onto that for decades.
Under ferrara, Marchisio said things like "we gotto spit blood on the shit", and then absolutely pussy'd out. Since Conte, he actually does it.
Its going to be a cold distant putrid day, before i'll forget just what Conte did here.
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Again I dont agree ar all. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Kind of funny that you mention Marchisio and BonBon as examples as they only became truly WC after Allegri took over.
Someone was not watching juventus in 2011/2012