I think he makes a good point in the same way people will always consider Guardiola the master of beautiful tiki taka football and how Barcelona will always be under his shadow, and rightfully so.
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Except that that was mostly cruyff's phylosophy, and Guardiola brought it back when the best possible generation was there.
its like Allegri would be juve's coach when we had Platini.
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"Master of tiki taka" will do tbh. No need to call it beautifull
And Barcelona is yet to be more impressive then it was during their peak under guardiola
its like Allegri would be juve's coach when we had Platini.
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"Master of tiki taka" will do tbh. No need to call it beautifull
And Barcelona is yet to be more impressive then it was during their peak under guardiola
You are overating Contes contribution for Juve or underrating the history and mentality of the club. Contes did a good job and he was the Wright man at the wright time, but he dont have the place in Juves coaching history as Lippi or Trappatoni for example. When Conte took over, the club invested big in the squad, Agnelli, Marotta and Patratici had the 2 year at the club, the Juve stadium opened. What I am trying to say is tjat Juve would have been great again with or without Conte. It might take a little longer but it was going to happen thanks to the history, mentality and financial and organisational structurs within the club.
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It's possible to dislike Conte and still acknowledge his great contribution to the club. Like how we can all appreciate Matri's coppa goal while still acknowledging he's shit compared to the true champion, Quagliarella.
Conte's contribution at what could be perhaps one of the most trying times in our history, can never be overrated or undermined. There was absolutely no guarantee Juve would've returned to their former greatness had it been another coach, with the team that was on paper. Anyone can win you a title when you buy the best players or use a huge transfer kitty. But Conte did something different. It could've easily been Juve staring at years in oblivion before being a relevant club domestically or in Europe. It is here that Conte's influence went a long way in laying the right kind of foundation, and at the time, even with the benefit of hindsight, I can tell you there was no better man for the job, including Allegri.
It is wrong not to have gratitude towards the man who helped kickstart a new era of success for the club. Conte's work must be heralded, if not for the football, then for recreating the one thing that no amount of money can buy: champion mentality.
It is wrong not to have gratitude towards the man who helped kickstart a new era of success for the club. Conte's work must be heralded, if not for the football, then for recreating the one thing that no amount of money can buy: champion mentality.
I think the point that Zach is implying but not saying is that Conte brought us back our identity because, of course, Conte had it as a player and captain of the club. As you say, Baggio, any other coach may not have done that. Even Ferrara didn't manage it and I strongly doubt that Allegri would have either. It's that identity which we have now and which is evident when we play against the biggest of European clubs and in the reputation of our players.
Hard working motherfuckers who are tough to break down. Nightmare for anybody to play against.
Hard working motherfuckers who are tough to break down. Nightmare for anybody to play against.
If only these idiotic comments about Conte being overrated were spread around the forums in 2013, we would have lots and lots of laughs.
I don't give a shit about Chelsea or any other EPL team, but I do care about Conte, I care a lot. I'll cheer for Conte's Chelsea in any game that doesn't involve Juve.
I don't give a shit about Chelsea or any other EPL team, but I do care about Conte, I care a lot. I'll cheer for Conte's Chelsea in any game that doesn't involve Juve.
Conte was a key figure in the resurrection of Juve, along with the owners, management and the players. In Contes first year he had Buffon, Bonucci, Barza, Chiello, Licht, Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal and had the advantage of only playing once a week. So basically he had a WC goalkeeper, defense and midfield and a below par attack. The next year Pogba and Asamoah was added the following year Llorente and Tevez. Except for the first year he had the best squad in Italy so he hardly pulled of any miracles winning the scudetto 3 times in a row.
I think Conte did great here, but stating that he will be a key figure in the next 50 years of Juves history and comparing him to a man like Crueff, who changed football as a coach and a player, is a massive overrating of Contes impact for Juve and football in general.
In the next 50 years we will have ups and downs, but what will make us a winning time in general in those 50 years, is the winning mentality and history of the club and not Contes 3 year coaching of the club.
I think Conte did great here, but stating that he will be a key figure in the next 50 years of Juves history and comparing him to a man like Crueff, who changed football as a coach and a player, is a massive overrating of Contes impact for Juve and football in general.
In the next 50 years we will have ups and downs, but what will make us a winning time in general in those 50 years, is the winning mentality and history of the club and not Contes 3 year coaching of the club.
I'm still mesmerized that people put a certain percentage, or attempt to put a certain percentage on who was responsible for what and how much.
Really?
You can't just look back on those years and take it for what it was? The rebirth of this club? Collective success, Collective failure. And it has obviously worked out well for both parties. Juve are nearly back to where they used to be in the early 2000's with a grand assist from Conte, and Conte has gone from near obscurity to the NT coach, and now coach at Chelsea due to the opportunity Juve gave him
Really?
You can't just look back on those years and take it for what it was? The rebirth of this club? Collective success, Collective failure. And it has obviously worked out well for both parties. Juve are nearly back to where they used to be in the early 2000's with a grand assist from Conte, and Conte has gone from near obscurity to the NT coach, and now coach at Chelsea due to the opportunity Juve gave him
So what you're saying is, it's the same Bonnucci then as we see today!?
The Barzagli who was bought from Wolfsburg as Legrotaglies replacement no less, was the best defender in the world then?
You're talking about the legendary Pirlo or the one we collectively laughed at after he signed for free, for being a washed up Italian WC winner?
Do you remember what Marchisio was called for a large part before Conte's reign! Casper -and don forget he was a shadow of the player you see today coz he had just come off a season playing out wide.
As for Grande Gigi, I don't want to even remind you, but that was the Buffon who had given up on this Juve, the one who would talk to himself every time a team scored against Juv. Don't know if you remember that. I doubt you do.
None of the above mentioned were World Class (save Gigi) when Conte arrived. He integrated players, and he created a team and an identity which gave them their sense of empowerment, and which is what won us a title chasing down an Ibra-led Milan.
It's really easy to talk in hindsight when we are on the cusp of a fifth straight title. A lot of us didn't know how and when the misery would end back then, and give any coach in the world that team, and I can guarantee you nobody in the current coaching world could have won that serie a or gone undefeated. It is that miracle that created the path you currently stand on. I didn't say we'll celebrate Conte 50 years from now, but we will definitely look back and say he was the primary firestarter and a key catalyst for our success post calciopoli.
The Barzagli who was bought from Wolfsburg as Legrotaglies replacement no less, was the best defender in the world then?
You're talking about the legendary Pirlo or the one we collectively laughed at after he signed for free, for being a washed up Italian WC winner?
Do you remember what Marchisio was called for a large part before Conte's reign! Casper -and don forget he was a shadow of the player you see today coz he had just come off a season playing out wide.
As for Grande Gigi, I don't want to even remind you, but that was the Buffon who had given up on this Juve, the one who would talk to himself every time a team scored against Juv. Don't know if you remember that. I doubt you do.
None of the above mentioned were World Class (save Gigi) when Conte arrived. He integrated players, and he created a team and an identity which gave them their sense of empowerment, and which is what won us a title chasing down an Ibra-led Milan.
It's really easy to talk in hindsight when we are on the cusp of a fifth straight title. A lot of us didn't know how and when the misery would end back then, and give any coach in the world that team, and I can guarantee you nobody in the current coaching world could have won that serie a or gone undefeated. It is that miracle that created the path you currently stand on. I didn't say we'll celebrate Conte 50 years from now, but we will definitely look back and say he was the primary firestarter and a key catalyst for our success post calciopoli.
ffs it's not a miracle. Just because some of you always underestimate our chances for any silverware, doesn't mean the rest of us felt the same way.
Licht, Vidal, Pirlo were all very good/WC players. Barzagli even in the half a season before Conte's arrival was arguably our best defender and potential was there. Vucinic is also among those players that people underestimate the impact he had. All fell into a right place so it was collective effort to pull us out of the shithole we were in. 100m investments over the summer, new stadiium and a very good coach that instilled the winning mentality. How can some of you attribute this to a single man is beyond me, and even go as far as to claim that any future succes is Conte's merit. Just stop. We would have found our way to the top one way or the other, because that's what we've been doing for the past 100 years. The teams like Milan and Inter were in decline for some time and they would still be shit. And yes that Milan team was weaker by quite a bit and it would have been a failure not to win the title that season.
Licht, Vidal, Pirlo were all very good/WC players. Barzagli even in the half a season before Conte's arrival was arguably our best defender and potential was there. Vucinic is also among those players that people underestimate the impact he had. All fell into a right place so it was collective effort to pull us out of the shithole we were in. 100m investments over the summer, new stadiium and a very good coach that instilled the winning mentality. How can some of you attribute this to a single man is beyond me, and even go as far as to claim that any future succes is Conte's merit. Just stop. We would have found our way to the top one way or the other, because that's what we've been doing for the past 100 years. The teams like Milan and Inter were in decline for some time and they would still be shit. And yes that Milan team was weaker by quite a bit and it would have been a failure not to win the title that season.
