Antonio Conte (52 Viewers)

[Vlad]

It's not that simple. That first season is the foundation for the next two. Ey aren't independent of each other, because it was through that first season he ingrained the mentality that has brought them here today. It is that first season that formed the core of the team and gave it belief and it is that first season that made the players realize how importantly they could express their football on the pitch. That first season on the back off two 7th place finishes was against the odds, and overcoming those odds is what brought the team to where it is today. So I disagree with how simplistic you make it seem.

I haven't said they're independent, but we arguably provided Conte better players to work with in the last 2 years, upgraded positions in our team and made his job less difficult. Every year we've been steadily improving and we'll continue to do so.

 

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[Dostoevsky]

But we were also great before Calciopolli, our history is illustrious one, so chances are we'll be great again, with or without Conte.

We used to have Ibrahimovic and Mutu on the bench, now we have Peluso, Padoin and Osvaldo.

 

[ZoSo]

forwards wins matches, it's an idea the current Juve don't appreciate enough. you can see Tevez-Llorente record in CL and against other top on the table SerieA clubs this season. against Roma, Napoli, Inter and Fiorentina Tevez scored just once: penalty against Fiorentina, Llorente just once: far post tap-in against Napoli after a deflected shot. yet people think they are irreplaceable at Juve just because they are better than Quag and Matri.

Nando scored twice vs Real Madrid

 

[JuveJay]

We used to have Ibrahimovic and Mutu on the bench, now we have Peluso, Padoin and Osvaldo.

Del Piero, in fact. But times have changed.

 

[ZoSo]

This team doesn't need miracles to win domestically, let's be serious. No matter who our coach is next season we'll start as favourites, but of course that does not mean we will automatically win.

If we are talking about potentially a new coach and/or system then there is plenty of motivation, we have to raise our level to be able to compete in Europe, you don't switch it on and off depending on domestic or continental competition. That was our biggest problem this season.

Even though they have to play CL as well, Roma will be stronger next season. If Conte leaves I doubt we'll be a shoe-in, maybe 50-50 chance

 

[Vlad]

We used to have Ibrahimovic and Mutu on the bench, now we have Peluso, Padoin and Osvaldo.

We used to play in strong Serie A, now we can switch to auto pilot and win another title, probably.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I haven't said they're independent, but we arguably provided Conte better players to work with in the last 2 years, upgraded positions in our team and made his job less difficult. Every year we've been steadily improving and we'll continue to do so.

That means winning the Scudetto next year and reaching QF. Without Conte I highly doubt it's gonna be an easy task. In fact, it's gonna be a surprise if we do it.

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We used to play in the strong Serie A, now we can switch to auto pilot and win another title, probably.

Progress is if we progress in Europe too.

Roma and Napoli will be stronger next year too.

 

[baggio]

This team doesn't need miracles to win domestically, let's be serious. No matter who our coach is next season we'll start as favourites, but of course that does not mean we will automatically win.

Again, you're looking at this on paper, without considering the other psychological variables if the team loses Conte. I'll go out on a limb and say, that we'd be lucky if we finish third next season if we get any of the candidates we've been linked to.

I haven't said they're independent, but we arguably provided Conte better players to work with in the last 2 years, upgraded positions in our team and made his job less difficult. Every year we've been steadily improving and we'll continue to do so.

That is because Conte had a clear mandate with how he wanted to build on his first scudetto success. It's very easy to lose your way if you don't know how to move ahead. Right now, you're making it seem like Conte had nothing to do with the success in the 2nd and 3rd scudettos because he was provided all the greatest players in the world. That is not true. He knew the profile of player he wanted in the absence of the 30m signing we couldn't make. He has worked with the lack of resources more than anybody else at the club. Not giving him his due is just being in denial about his being integral to this project.

 

[jukazem]

Nando scored twice vs Real Madrid

a rebound and a header from 5 yards out after Varane misjudged the flight of the ball.

 

[icemaη]

Spalletti

 

[Vlad]

That means winning the Scudetto next year and reaching QF. Without Conte I highly doubt it's gonna be an easy task. In fact, it's gonna be a surprise if we do it.

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Progress is if we progress in Europe too.

Roma and Napoli will be stronger next year too.

I meant improving our personnel, as we brought some really quality acquisitions and shifted a weight a bit.


I'm not saying it will be easy and hands down to Conte for all he's done. If anything I've been praising the guy throughout the season, while some were scrutinizing him. I believed that he was the right choice for many reasons, but now I also believe that our team is strong enough to challenge again even without him.

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That is because Conte had a clear mandate with how he wanted to build on his first scudetto success. It's very easy to lose your way if you don't know how to move ahead. Right now, you're making it seem like Conte had nothing to do with the success in the 2nd and 3rd scudettos because he was provided all the greatest players in the world. That is not true. He knew the profile of player he wanted in the absence of the 30m signing we couldn't make. He has worked with the lack of resources more than anybody else at the club. Not giving him his due is just being in denial about his being integral to this project.

Nah, I'm not saying that, but I can't help it if you seem interpret my words in this way.

 

[JuveJay]

Again, you're looking at this on paper, without considering the other psychological variables if the team loses Conte. I'll go out on a limb and say, that we'd be lucky if we finish third next season if we get any of the candidates we've been linked to.

No really, I'm not. I've been one of the more vocal advocates of how our mentality holds this team together, but we will still be favourites. You can't expect this team to go from 100 points to a jibbering wreck, but there is always a chance for a team to have a disastrous season.

At some point we aren't going to win the league, this isn't the SPL, but if we are talking about losing our coach (and not this apparently inevitable mass exodus that will follow it) then we are still the team to beat. We might play next season with Conte and not win the league, but we can't find out both scenarios.

 

[ZoSo]

a rebound and a header from 5 yards out after Varane misjudged the flight of the ball.

I didn't realise players have to dribble half the team from the halfway line and score a screamer from 30 yards to score a goal that is actually considered a goal.

 

[mukumsplau]

“To play three at the back is not a conservative option - it can become too defeatist if you do it with three pure centre-backs and defensive full-backs rather than wingers."

-Pran Delli

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Mr Delli has never won a Scudetto

 

[jukazem]

I didn't realise players have to dribble half the team from the halfway line and score a screamer from 30 yards to score a goal that is actually considered a goal.

ofcourse these goals count as much as the ones you described, but these opportunities don't come often against the big teams. chances are players who dribble half the team from the halfway line and score a screamer from 30 yards to score a goal that is actually considered a goal can also score rebounds and tap-ins. but Llorente can't dribble half the team from the halfway line and score a screamer from 30 yards to score a goal that is actually considered a goal so he scores only rebounds and tap-in and therefore less.

 

[JuveJay]

“To play three at the back is not a conservative option - it can become too defeatist if you do it with three pure centre-backs and defensive full-backs rather than wingers."

-Pran Delli

Asamoah and Lichtsteiner aren't defensive fullbacks. One is a LCM, and the other is an attacking fullback.

 

[JCK]

I have come to accept the fact that Conte is gone next season, the coming step is to accept whoever arrives hoping for the better options.

 

[Raz]

If that were to happen I soooo hope it's not Spaggetti.

 

[ZoSo]

ofcourse these goals count as much as the ones you described, but these opportunities don't come often against the big teams. chances are players who dribble half the team from the halfway line and score a screamer from 30 yards to score a goal that is actually considered a goal can also score rebounds and tap-ins. but Llorente can't dribble half the team from the halfway line and score a screamer from 30 yards to score a goal that is actually considered a goal so he scores only rebounds and tap-in and therefore less.

Llorente is a striker, he is supposed to finish half chances and that's what he did, twice.