Antonio Conte (95 Viewers)

[icemaη]

Shit coach coaching a shit club. Lets not pretend he should be our role model. The guy is a horrible coach and a choker.

Didn't say anything about him... Just pointing out that RUS was talking about Gala. Don't shoot the messenger. This isn't Sparta

 

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[icemaη]

One 'issue' we have with our team is that our best players are somewhat defensive minded and play in midfield. Atletico's best players are in attack. That makes a difference.

We bought Vidal for 2 cents, they bought Costa for 2 cents. Players like Costa and Arda win matches, titles...

Vidal is a beast, don't get me wrong. Best all round dmc in the world.

Arda :frown:

 

[Bianconero81]

One 'issue' we have with our team is that our best players are somewhat defensive minded and play in midfield. Atletico's best players are in attack. That makes a difference.

We bought Vidal for 2 cents, they bought Costa for 2 cents. Players like Costa and Arda win matches, titles...

Vidal is a beast, don't get me wrong. Best all round dmc in the world.

Vidal wins matches too

 

[clapton]

Vidal wins matches too

Yes, and he won a lot for us. As well as Pogba, Pirlo, even Bonucci . But attackers are made for scoring goals, not defensive mids or centre backs.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Like I said, out of all our transfers it's only Vidal and Pogba who turned out to be stars (whos price is above 40mln).

I wouldn't say he lost faith. He wants more and bigger investments. You make it sound like getting a new Costa for 3mln is what every day occurs. Quality wingers (or any player) cost a lot. We're a top team (unlike Atletico) and we're not gonna buy a random kid and see how he does here (that is what Porto, Benfica and other clubs do). We're here to buy quality players and players who made it big. It's not like we can compare transfer policies. Atletico has great players, but it's just one generation, we're on the top for many years. It's a huge risk to rely on Nani or to expect Cerci to explode or keep the same level at a big club.

It's not just about the money per se, but making the right moves. We've spent 30mln euros on Bonucci and Ogbonna, while neither is good enough to be here, let alone to be a starter (...and a playmaker...).

I'm not saying Conte never makes mistakes. He obviously does and yeah part of the blame he should take without a doubt, especially us choking in Europe. I'm just saying that we DO need investments and better if we want to win in Europe. We're outdated and not to mention half of our squad is getting very old, majority of our key players.

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We played good actually, if anything we were not lucky. But we're still talking about Real who are in the finals now, they have plenty of star players. I'm sure they would have demolished us with 3-5-2.

Better try to list which formations played teams in 2000 and till today. There's a reason every team uses 4 man defense nowadays. Top teams can shut down 3-5-2 very easy, but not 4-3-3.

1) Wat? Lichsteiner is not star or what? Asamoah? Tevez? Llorente? meh.
2) No, the overall price of the deal for Bonucci was around 15m but Paratici said that we paid only 4 millions of cash for him, while Ogbonna's transfer is still mystery for me, from the beginning i said that it's mistake
3) How can you be sure if we trashed Chelsea's 433 with our 352 3-0 at home? and a lot of other teams tried 433/451/4231 against us and failed
4) yes, there is one huge reason - it's VERY hard to find world class sweeper nowadays

 

[Vlad]

One 'issue' we have with our team is that our best players are somewhat defensive minded and play in midfield. Atletico's best players are in attack. That makes a difference.

We bought Vidal for 2 cents, they bought Costa for 2 cents. Players like Costa and Arda win matches, titles...

Vidal is a beast, don't get me wrong. Best all round dmc in the world.

We definitely need some pacey and skilful mofo in the final 3rd to make a difference. But we also need to change our mentality in these European games as we look scared shitless, even against sides that barely can be called professional clubs.

 

[jakku7]

So you guys looking forward to a new coach?

I hope Conte stays.

And that get-together from yesterday suggests that relationships between our President and Conte have improved, and with some caution we can speak about relaxation of tensions. I hope everything will go well from this point

 

[Raz]

We definitely need some pacey and skilful mofo in the final 3rd to make a difference. But we also need to change our mentality in these European games as we look scared shitless, even against sides that barely can be called professional clubs.

Now now, let's not underrate them that much

 

[Dostoevsky]

1) Wat? Lichsteiner is not star or what? Asamoah? Tevez? Llorente? meh.
2) No, the overall price of the deal for Bonucci was around 15m but Paratici said that we paid only 4 millions of cash for him, while Ogbonna's transfer is still mystery for me, from the beginning i said that it's mistake
3) How can you be sure if we trashed Chelsea's 433 with our 352 3-0 at home? and a lot of other teams tried 433/451/4231 against us and failed
4) yes, there is one huge reason - it's VERY hard to find world class sweeper nowadays

Lichsteiner was a great signing, but IMO he's a RB in 4 man defense. But he's not a game changer. Koke is. Tevez and Llorente are good without a doubt, but Costa on a higher level without a doubt.

Neither Bonucci nor Ogbonna are good enough to be here, maybe just as a sub (...if we play 3 man defense).

You can't mention one match. We also suffered in Serie A from Napoli, Verona and Fiorentina when they applied pressure on our flanks, we dropped points and couldn't deal with them. But yea, in the second match we won. We also won against Milan, but we were lucky as hell, because they took the advantage of our weak spot and literally destroyed us in that match.

4-3-3 offers much more flexibility. When you're down you can actually chase the lead, which is kinda difficult with 3-5-2. We don't have a high pace, we're not aggressive -- and that is exactly what we need in Europe. There are many negative things about our current formation and of course it's less visible in Serie A, because majority of teams use that formation. No idea why you mentioned Chelsea, yet ignored almost every match this year in the CL. We couldn't deal with Copenhagen and we were struggling with Galatasaray. Firstly, when we use 3-5-2 our flanks get shut down way too easy. Secondly, we have no space for counter attacks and we have no width. There's no way such things can be ignored in Europe, just face it. What we're using is a defensive formation, eventhough it gave us titles, it won't give us anything good in Europe (at least not against top teams for sure). You think we can chase a result when we're down against big clubs? No way in hell.

Sweeper And we have to rely on Bonucci? Dude, every top team uses 4 players in the back line. It provided results and has less negative aspects on the game against top teams. High pace and wingers would destroy us and if we're a goal down, that's a goodbye Europe. That is not a case with a different formation.

 

[ZoSo]

“There will be clarity over my position at Juventus over the next few days. I generally don’t agree with a Sabbatical, but if there was a unity of ideas to leave with great affection and respect, then I would evaluate other projects that intrigue me."
“I won [the Champions League] as a player and one day I want to win it as a coach,” he said. “But if you ask me if it’s possible to do this with Juventus, I would say no.”

For the 3 years in a row Conte is underrates his team, it's UNACCEPTABLE.
Do you understand that now it's Agnelli who gave ultimatum to Conte not otherwise, take our policy or resign and we will start to search for replacement on your position

you think we can win the CL? we'd basically have to fluke our way through the whole thing

 

[baggio]

Andrea Agnelli was asked about Conte. He replied saying: Nobody is indispensable.

I think the relationship is done.

 

[Jem83]

Yep. Das it. He's gone.

 

[Paid-off-Ref]

Andrea Agnelli was asked about Conte. He replied saying: Nobody is indispensable.

I think the relationship is done.

Yep, I think he's very tired of having a drama queen on the payroll.

 

[Vlad]

So it was a goodby hug yesterday. Not surprised at all.

 

[Bianconero81]

Yeah. Let's just start from scratch again with a new coach, who in all probability, is likely to be a downgrade.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Andrea Agnelli was asked about Conte. He replied saying: Nobody is indispensable.

I think the relationship is done.

Man if we lose Conte.. we're so fucked up.

None of Spalletti, Mancini and co. comes close to the guy. Not to mention that switch from 3-5-2 to 4-3-3 is huge. Spalletti always plays 4-2-3-1, but hell, even if that's not the case... us going from a great to a mediocre coach is gonna be nothing but horrible.

Conte staying is a priority. If he leaves then we should stay away from Italian coaches, since Prandelli is not available.

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Yeah. Let's just start from scratch again with a new coach, who in all probability, is likely to be a downgrade.

Not likely but surely.

 

[ZoSo]

if he actually leaves

Fail time. Vidal and Pogba will be gone by the end of next season if we get some schmuck like Mancini or Allegri.

 

[baggio]

I would explore the possibility of Agnelli having fucked the relationship up too. We don't know both sides of the story, but seeing Andrea's lack of tact in the past with the Del Piero issue, I wouldn't put it past him to have been the reason behind the breakdown in relations. Conte may yet stay, but when the president talks like that about you publicly then it shows that he either doesn't respect you enough or hasn't enjoyed the way you have gone about your communication with the company. I suspect the latter.

Andrea also did go on to say that he too is not indispensable, because for 115 years Juve did just fine without him too and that nobody is bigger than the club. That I agree with.

 

[Dostoevsky]

if he actually leaves

Fail time. Vidal and Pogba will be gone by the end of next season if we get some schmuck like Mancini or Allegri.

Pogba will be gone either way, just a matter of time but yea I know what you mean.

 

[Vlad]

Are we doomed?