Antonio Conte (369 Viewers)
- Thread starter Dostoevsky
- Start date
- Tags goat coach
This is an excellent post. And what conte is basically doing, is discussing with the management how it will go from here.
Wether its Conte or a different coach, changes surprisingly little to the fact that we will need other players.
Considering our roster, we see that Llorente and Tevez is obviously a duo that cannot be benched. But at the same time we'll need wingers. Conte wants them, and nearly every other coach will want them. We'll have wingers.
But here is the deal. Barzagli is 33 and our best defender. Pirlo is getting old. Licht is 30 and Isla is considerably less. Tevez is 30 and gone in 2 years.
We'll probably want to play 442-4231 with tevez-llorente. We'll probably have Pogba-Vidal holding a midfield.
Asamoah could be turned into an attacking leftback, but it will demand another positional change for him. We could also buy a player Like Kolarov.
We need wings. And we got only one in our team, who is good for 433, but not that good for 4231/442 (pepe).
We need to decide wether we sell certain players and start a new cycle. Or make an investment in the team, and add 2 starter and 1 or 2 substitude wingers.
Nani, Sanchez, Pereyra come in mind. As you probably realise, this is above our planned budget. What Coach and Board need to do now, is decide wether to enhance our cycle, or make a new one.
Wether its Conte or a different coach, changes surprisingly little to the fact that we will need other players.
Considering our roster, we see that Llorente and Tevez is obviously a duo that cannot be benched. But at the same time we'll need wingers. Conte wants them, and nearly every other coach will want them. We'll have wingers.
But here is the deal. Barzagli is 33 and our best defender. Pirlo is getting old. Licht is 30 and Isla is considerably less. Tevez is 30 and gone in 2 years.
We'll probably want to play 442-4231 with tevez-llorente. We'll probably have Pogba-Vidal holding a midfield.
Asamoah could be turned into an attacking leftback, but it will demand another positional change for him. We could also buy a player Like Kolarov.
We need wings. And we got only one in our team, who is good for 433, but not that good for 4231/442 (pepe).
We need to decide wether we sell certain players and start a new cycle. Or make an investment in the team, and add 2 starter and 1 or 2 substitude wingers.
Nani, Sanchez, Pereyra come in mind. As you probably realise, this is above our planned budget. What Coach and Board need to do now, is decide wether to enhance our cycle, or make a new one.
You have good points here, despite not throwing the responsibility of complete failure in Europe this season at him - this would happen in any big European Club, not only at Juventus.
I agree that the main reason for Conte is that this team and squad is just exhausted, in all possible ways. I agree that this setup of players and tactics has touched its ceilliing. We need to renovate a little, gotta get new players with different characteristics of what we have, change the way we play. Conte is absolutely right about that.
However, the club can't go off their plan. This summer is not the appropriate time for a big change - if we spend too much, it will go back to bite our ass in a couple of years. The club is right in maintaining their plan and growing as much as they can.
So, Conte simply has very meaningful reasons to leave the club. What is unfair is that he keeps moaning and whining about money. The club has spent a lot, and we have the highest salary bill in Italy. Also stating publicy his disbelief in any possible improvement on this team and players is actually disrespectful to the players.
In the end, if he actually leaves, the new coach will be under huge pressure. It will be very difficult to succeed. It will be impossible to repeat this season in Italy, and if he chooses to maintain the exact same team and scheme he will be blamed for that. If he changes, he will be blamed for that.
I just hope management can pick the best choices, in terms of the new coach and new players. We definitely need some fresh air into the squad. Some more youth and quickness.
- - - Updated - - -
Perfect post.
I agree that the main reason for Conte is that this team and squad is just exhausted, in all possible ways. I agree that this setup of players and tactics has touched its ceilliing. We need to renovate a little, gotta get new players with different characteristics of what we have, change the way we play. Conte is absolutely right about that.
However, the club can't go off their plan. This summer is not the appropriate time for a big change - if we spend too much, it will go back to bite our ass in a couple of years. The club is right in maintaining their plan and growing as much as they can.
So, Conte simply has very meaningful reasons to leave the club. What is unfair is that he keeps moaning and whining about money. The club has spent a lot, and we have the highest salary bill in Italy. Also stating publicy his disbelief in any possible improvement on this team and players is actually disrespectful to the players.
In the end, if he actually leaves, the new coach will be under huge pressure. It will be very difficult to succeed. It will be impossible to repeat this season in Italy, and if he chooses to maintain the exact same team and scheme he will be blamed for that. If he changes, he will be blamed for that.
I just hope management can pick the best choices, in terms of the new coach and new players. We definitely need some fresh air into the squad. Some more youth and quickness.
- - - Updated - - -
Perfect post.
I agree, but not with the Conte part.
Every person has his way of interacting. Take Mourinho. When his team loses, he is a complete asshole and blames probably the ref or anything else. He draws all negative attention on himself. But he keeps his players free of this pressure, allowing them to recover better from lesser prestations. This is the reason why his players absolutely love him, apart from Madrids egocunts.
Conte is extremely passionate. We know how he can comment easely when provoked. Its Conte's way. His coaching and motivating, his passion is what drove this team to demolish pretty much every record in serie a. But that same character, is what causes him to be plain open to the press, saying we will not spend big, and that this squad is at an end of a cycle. He's simply beeing honest, and people read to much in it.
In the past, this is when coaches leave, when they think the team reached its peak. Conte however, loves juve. He'd want to stay here , but he want to board to take measures to enhance the cycle, rather then start over. And that is why he does what he is doing.
People dont like it ? Fine, your good right. But at least understand WHY he is doing this. Its his passion and love for juve to succeed and break records, as we did for 3 wonderfull years.
Every person has his way of interacting. Take Mourinho. When his team loses, he is a complete asshole and blames probably the ref or anything else. He draws all negative attention on himself. But he keeps his players free of this pressure, allowing them to recover better from lesser prestations. This is the reason why his players absolutely love him, apart from Madrids egocunts.
Conte is extremely passionate. We know how he can comment easely when provoked. Its Conte's way. His coaching and motivating, his passion is what drove this team to demolish pretty much every record in serie a. But that same character, is what causes him to be plain open to the press, saying we will not spend big, and that this squad is at an end of a cycle. He's simply beeing honest, and people read to much in it.
In the past, this is when coaches leave, when they think the team reached its peak. Conte however, loves juve. He'd want to stay here , but he want to board to take measures to enhance the cycle, rather then start over. And that is why he does what he is doing.
People dont like it ? Fine, your good right. But at least understand WHY he is doing this. Its his passion and love for juve to succeed and break records, as we did for 3 wonderfull years.
The coach has already decided. He'll only stay if a new one is started.
Now the decision is up to Agnelli. Or maybe even Elkann. Should Juventus spend more than it should now, in order to keep Conte, keep winning and consequently get more revenue because of better results in Europe? Should Juventus stick to the plan or risk high, with high reward?
I don't know if Agnelli can make this decision on his own. If Elkann must consent, there's absolutely 0 chance they don't stick to the plan.
If it's up to Agnelli only, then there's a chance they'll spend more money than they intented to, and risk high. It's unlikely IMO. But still possible, I see Agnelli as venturous and intelligent young guy.
- - - Updated - - -
Conte has cleared his position to the board: he'll only stay if money is thrown in this summer to get relevant new players and change the face of the team/squad, as he feels this squad and scheme 352 has reached its most.
Now it's up to the board to decide if they'll stick to the plan and keep a balanced financial state, not being able to spend much this summer, and just get a few guys but not really change the squad and the team - or if they'll change plans and make adjustments as Conte required and risk high, making more money available for Marotta and probably prioritizing Conte's players demands.
Most likely they'll stick to the plan and Conte will leave.
Now the decision is up to Agnelli. Or maybe even Elkann. Should Juventus spend more than it should now, in order to keep Conte, keep winning and consequently get more revenue because of better results in Europe? Should Juventus stick to the plan or risk high, with high reward?
I don't know if Agnelli can make this decision on his own. If Elkann must consent, there's absolutely 0 chance they don't stick to the plan.
If it's up to Agnelli only, then there's a chance they'll spend more money than they intented to, and risk high. It's unlikely IMO. But still possible, I see Agnelli as venturous and intelligent young guy.
- - - Updated - - -
Conte has cleared his position to the board: he'll only stay if money is thrown in this summer to get relevant new players and change the face of the team/squad, as he feels this squad and scheme 352 has reached its most.
Now it's up to the board to decide if they'll stick to the plan and keep a balanced financial state, not being able to spend much this summer, and just get a few guys but not really change the squad and the team - or if they'll change plans and make adjustments as Conte required and risk high, making more money available for Marotta and probably prioritizing Conte's players demands.
Most likely they'll stick to the plan and Conte will leave.
Why the hell do people keep throwing this at Pep? He broke every positive record there was to brake in Germany and he reached semi-final in CL..... If it was that easy to win CL every year or even reach the final, then we would have seen frequent cases of a team winning it 3-4 times in a row (Real's first five times excluded). You make that sound easy. Why didnt Barcelona win it 3 times in a row in the last 10 years? or Bayern? Or Real? Its football man, and yes tactics and player quality is important but the ball is fucking round and you can never predict certain things no matter how good of a coach are you.
if andrea agnelli and co are more worried about the balance sheet than success on the pitch then they are no less of an enemy to the club than the likes of berlusconi and moratti etc... agnelli will be public enemy number one, taking millions of Juventus fans world wide for a fucking ride, it's one thing that the voices of Del Piero's departure has largely been kept quiet thanks to the success on the pitch made by Conte, but don't think for one moment they have forgotten, this will haunt Andrea Agnelli. If he knew what was best for this club and for himself he will meet Conte's terms and no less.
Conte is everything that is great about Juve, both as a coach and as a player. Andrea Agnelli is only there by birthright, not merit.
I don't fucking want mihajlovic, allegri, mancini, montella and every other fucking cunt that has been linked with us. It is Conte OR NOTHING! if it is to be the latter by God i curse Andrea to high heavens. He has no right to destroy not just mine, or yours, BUT OUR CLUB! the club we have fucking supported through thick and thin, he has no right to take that away from us!
Conte is everything that is great about Juve, both as a coach and as a player. Andrea Agnelli is only there by birthright, not merit.
I don't fucking want mihajlovic, allegri, mancini, montella and every other fucking cunt that has been linked with us. It is Conte OR NOTHING! if it is to be the latter by God i curse Andrea to high heavens. He has no right to destroy not just mine, or yours, BUT OUR CLUB! the club we have fucking supported through thick and thin, he has no right to take that away from us!
