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How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Wings

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Jul 15, 2002
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Conte - Benitez dialogues. Did you guys hear this one? Look at expenses - Benitez
Conte retort, "We have been taught a lesson from a team that's built to win the title but are 17 points behind us, out of the CL & EL. They have only the Coppa Italia to save their season."
Benitez's comment on Llorente :facepalm2:
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
does it ever occurred to the 'conte is doing just fine' brigade that whether or not we can drop pirlo and replace him with vucinic... does such action even worth trying? 3-4-1-2 with vucinic-tevez-llorente upfront.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Individually, in generic formation:

Courtois/Buffon

Lichtsteiner - Barzagli - Chiellini - Filipe Luis/Asamoah

Arda Turan - Vidal - Pirlo - Pogba

Diego Costa - Tevez/Villa​

Arguments?

As a team they are clearly getting more out of theirs this season.
 

ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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They don't olay 3-5-2 and utilize their players much better. Idk if I'd pick Pirlo over their midfielders however. He's been too inconsistent and weak.

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alright, the 3-5-2 was a joke but we play pretty negatively and don't have the power to counterattack like a top team.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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They don't olay 3-5-2 and utilize their players much better. Idk if I'd pick Pirlo over their midfielders however. He's been too inconsistent and weak.

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alright, the 3-5-2 was a joke but we play pretty negatively and don't have the power to counterattack like a top team.
We also don't have a left back, it's just a rough comparison of positions.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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Atl. Madrid has a cohesive team. All their players can fully engage in multiple styles of play. They can all press or they can all counter-attack.

With Pirlo and a sweeper in our side, we can only play 1 way. It's not a fluid team like Atletico. It's hard to explain but it's like we have anchors on a ship.

Atletico has no problem moving the whole team around the pitch. They all run at the same speed. If the forwards press up high, the midfielders follow. All of them, not just one (Vidal). If they sit back and counter, they can all counter, not just one (Tevez).

Part of it is also formation. Ours tends to drift to a 5-3-2. The sweeper is doing nothing, just compromising our numbers in midfield and attack. Less numbers in the midfield and we can't get the ball back in dangerous areas.

If you can assemble a really athletic team with some skill, and you play with a 4 man line, you will always be a competent side.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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.and that is probably what we miss most in this team, that link between our great midfield trio and our forwards.
Amen. Our mid is pretty good but looks totally disjointed from our forwards. Thats what i said earlier..theres no cohesion... no link up. Ech of our attacking players out there are in an island...each one on their own trying to create something.

I don't understand why teams outside of Italy understand how to stop us and teams in Italy can't.
Its because in italy, theres a lack of quality and mentality to stop us, specially quality. Too much fodder trying to stop our good players.

But when a team is inspired in the right way, and properly set up against us, they give us all sort of troubles.

In europe, big teams have more than enought quality to give us an early scare and turn us into a defensive coward team from the get go.
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
10,087
Atl. Madrid has a cohesive team. All their players can fully engage in multiple styles of play. They can all press or they can all counter-attack.

With Pirlo and a sweeper in our side, we can only play 1 way. It's not a fluid team like Atletico. It's hard to explain but it's like we have anchors on a ship.

Atletico has no problem moving the whole team around the pitch. They all run at the same speed. If the forwards press up high, the midfielders follow. All of them, not just one (Vidal). If they sit back and counter, they can all counter, not just one (Tevez).

Part of it is also formation. Ours tends to drift to a 5-3-2. The sweeper is doing nothing, just compromising our numbers in midfield and attack. Less numbers in the midfield and we can't get the ball back in dangerous areas.

If you can assemble a really athletic team with some skill, and you play with a 4 man line, you will always be a competent side.
:agree:


We need to go away from the352 and play a fast flowing style of play or we won't do much in Europe.
 

Vialli_92

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Mar 7, 2013
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Atl. Madrid has a cohesive team. All their players can fully engage in multiple styles of play. They can all press or they can all counter-attack.

With Pirlo and a sweeper in our side, we can only play 1 way. It's not a fluid team like Atletico. It's hard to explain but it's like we have anchors on a ship.

Atletico has no problem moving the whole team around the pitch. They all run at the same speed. If the forwards press up high, the midfielders follow. All of them, not just one (Vidal). If they sit back and counter, they can all counter, not just one (Tevez).

Part of it is also formation. Ours tends to drift to a 5-3-2. The sweeper is doing nothing, just compromising our numbers in midfield and attack. Less numbers in the midfield and we can't get the ball back in dangerous areas.

If you can assemble a really athletic team with some skill, and you play with a 4 man line, you will always be a competent side.
I have been saying this for a long time, we have one less player in midfield/attack and this really compromises us. I agree with your whole post though the main problem is the formation which is severely holding us back. That is why i was against the Tevez signing as he cant fit into a 4-3-3 formation.

I dont think a 4-2-3-1 is the answer either as we would be restricting Pogba and Vidal going forward. If they had a CDM holding they could bomb forward in a 4-3-3 and cause all sorts of problems in attack for the other team and play a perfect box to box role.
 

Vialli_92

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Mar 7, 2013
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explain how tevez doesn't fit into 4-3-3
He needs a strike partner up front with him, if he were to play on the wing we would not be getting the best out of him. Tevez likes to drop deep and pick up the ball between midfield and the opposition defence. As a lone striker he would not grab that many goals doing this imo as he is not really that type of player to poach goals.

He is a very good player but that is my only problem with him that he does not fit into a 4-3-3. Maybe he can adapt his game to play that lone striker role but it would be a bit of a gamble.
 

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