Antonio Conte (108 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

Conte's wheel of excuses - we have no money, poor referee, we are construction site, we were unlucky, 8 years ago we were in serie b and now we're here, my team suck, we simply can't win the champions league amazing attitude

 

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[JuveJay]

after it, we've spent more than 500 millions on transfers, keep talking about money

Rough calculation, not taking into account small c/o deals:

In - €436m
Out - €290m

Net - €146m

Over an 8 year period, wow.

 

[Ocelot]

Conte's just a mediocre coach with poor tacitcal ability, bad squad selection and loser attitude in Europe. He will never win the CL, even if he somehow gets to coach RM. His failures in the Cl aren't due to the players at his disposal, but his own obvious shortcomings as a coach. Anyone who believes otherwise is simply delusional.

Das it.















But seriously, what the fuck is going on here

 

[juventus4life]

Let's assume failing to pass CL group stage this year was an accident. But even when we tried our best in Europa League, we still couldn't do what a smaller team with not much money and only a decent squad like Sevilla did: won the competition. Now don't tell me Juve didn't take EL seriously. We did but we couldn't past Benfica. That's our max. You can argue that Benfica scored a late goal due to a defensive brain-fart but we achieved nothing in 90 min the return leg.
Can someone make a list of things we need to avoid in the future?
1) Too many backpasses and not enough directness in attacking
2) Defensive brain-farts (Bonucci, Ogbonna, ...)
3) Short corners
4) Lack of crosses for Llorente's headers
5) Pirlo's defensive liability (He's super in freekicks though)

It's not a destructive discussion.

 

[Post Ironic]

Conte's just a mediocre coach with poor tacitcal ability, bad squad selection and loser attitude in Europe. He will never win the CL, even if he somehow gets to coach RM. His failures in the Cl aren't due to the players at his disposal, but his own obvious shortcomings as a coach. Anyone who believes otherwise is simply delusional.

Conte is lucky to be coaching the biggest team in Italy and that's why he managed to win three domestic titles, I am pretty sure that if he went to any other team, anywhere, he will flop badly. Juventus is the perfect environment for him also because he used to play there and is considered a "legend" and that's the reason most of the fans excuse and tolerate his laughable management of the team.

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This is the most "cringe-worthy" post I have seen on this forum. Well, this and the one above it from Vialli.

This past year, this team was good enough to come 2nd in our group, behind Real Madrid. That's it. We should have. No excuses necessary, we did not because of poor finishing from our strikers. Tevez seems to have a lack of composure in Europe. We outshot Gala 26-7 at home, and FCK 27-9 away. That screams poor finishing, especially if you watched the match and saw that against Gala 16 of our shots were from inside the box, and against FCK 19 of our chances were from inside the box. To score 2 from 16 penalty area chances, and then 1 from 19 penalty area chances is an absolute joke. And this is the only place I blame Conte, for his lack of ability to get our strikers to play with some composure in the penalty area. However, even if we come 2nd in our group, that means there would have been a very good chance we draw a top team in the round of 16. Which means, this past year, round of 16 was likely the best we were going to do. So only with a favourable round of 16 draw was this team good enough to make the QFs.

Now, to claim that Conte is a European flop because of one poor season in CL, out of 2 seasons, is the most inane thing I have read here. We made QFs the previous year, which was absolutely a success. His second season we did poorly. the gut reaction to immediately judge him "a loser and a pussy" is absurd with such a small sample size. You would have judged Ancelotti a pussy and a loser too, based on his time at Juve, and would have been one of those screaming for him to be fired...

Go support another team. You can't judge a coach as a failure based on one poor season in European football in which we smashed domestic records, especially not after a very successful first season in Europe the previous year. If he fails to get us through Group, and depending on R16 draw, to QFs this year, judge away. But currently, you have no leg to stand on. Your post take the cringe level of BadAss to a whole new level. And in the opposite direction. How is that even possible. I suppose I should applaud you in some sense.

 

[MikeM]

PostIronic, you just complained about our strikers having poor finishing against FCK but did you realize that Llorente spent the whole 90 minutes on the bench and when it came time to make a sub to score a goal, Conte opted for Giovinco? When they were bunkered down and the only thing that would go in was a cross.

FFS, Llorente scored a header this year where Lichtsteiner just shot the ball off his head.

You also realize that Mancini's first game with Gala, they managed a draw in Torino, playing a 3-5-2 formation that they never played before. All Mancini did was match up his formation with ours and we were toothless. He didn't even have to apply any tactics! We were happy to give them possession for the first half of the game and then we had too little too late to score.

When you are constantly *putting yourself* in a position to chase a result, by conceding possession and sitting back "learning your opponent", sometimes luck will not be on your side and you won't get that goal that you need. How about attacking from the first whistle.

 

[Post Ironic]

We had 16 attempts from inside the box against Gala. How were we putting ourselves in a position to chase that result. Two poor defensive lapses and atrocious finishing led to that draw. We dominated that match from start to finish. Watch it again and tell me didn't? Please. You'd have to be delusional.

And when that first FCK match happened, Llorente was still in terrible form and fitness. He'd hardly played yet. Do I think it was a mistake still, not playing him? Yes. To some extent. But an in form Llorente also did not score against them in the return leg so I'm not sure an out of form Llorente would have done a thing. We drew that match because Wiland made 10 saves and was heroic. And our finishing was piss-poor. 19 shots in the penalty area and 1 goal is pathetic.

Is Conte free from blame? No. I've said this many times. He certainly has his shortcomings, which can be improved upon with experience. But calling him out as a pussy and a loser is beyond moronic, especially after only one poor European season.

 

[ZoSo]

Conte's just a mediocre coach with poor tacitcal ability, bad squad selection and loser attitude in Europe. He will never win the CL, even if he somehow gets to coach RM. His failures in the Cl aren't due to the players at his disposal, but his own obvious shortcomings as a coach. Anyone who believes otherwise is simply delusional.

Conte is lucky to be coaching the biggest team in Italy and that's why he managed to win three domestic titles, I am pretty sure that if he went to any other team, anywhere, he will flop badly. Juventus is the perfect environment for him also because he used to play there and is considered a "legend" and that's the reason most of the fans excuse and tolerate his laughable management of the team.

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You're a cockhead to the nth degree

 

[GordoDeCentral]

We had 16 attempts from inside the box against Gala. How were we putting ourselves in a position to chase that result. Two poor defensive lapses and atrocious finishing led to that draw. We dominated that match from start to finish. Watch it again and tell me didn't? Please. You'd have to be delusional.

And when that first FCK match happened, Llorente was still in terrible form and fitness. He'd hardly played yet. Do I think it was a mistake still, not playing him? Yes. To some extent. But an in form Llorente also did not score against them in the return leg so I'm not sure an out of form Llorente would have done a thing. We drew that match because Wiland made 10 saves and was heroic. And our finishing was piss-poor. 19 shots in the penalty area and 1 goal is pathetic.

Is Conte free from blame? No. I've said this many times. He certainly has his shortcomings, which can be improved upon with experience. But calling him out as a pussy and a loser is beyond moronic, especially after only one poor European season.

yep moronic indeed

 

[MikeM]

We had 16 attempts from inside the box against Gala. How were we putting ourselves in a position to chase that result. Two poor defensive lapses and atrocious finishing led to that draw. We dominated that match from start to finish. Watch it again and tell me didn't? Please. You'd have to be delusional.

And when that first FCK match happened, Llorente was still in terrible form and fitness. He'd hardly played yet. Do I think it was a mistake still, not playing him? Yes. To some extent. But an in form Llorente also did not score against them in the return leg so I'm not sure an out of form Llorente would have done a thing. We drew that match because Wiland made 10 saves and was heroic. And our finishing was piss-poor. 19 shots in the penalty area and 1 goal is pathetic.

Is Conte free from blame? No. I've said this many times. He certainly has his shortcomings, which can be improved upon with experience. But calling him out as a pussy and a loser is beyond moronic, especially after only one poor European season.

I can't recall seeing many people call him a pussy and loser.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I can't recall seeing many people call him a pussy and loser.

what? some have claimed it is a fact hes a pussy, anyhoos all you have to do is use the search thread function to get your fill

 

[Post Ironic]

Comb through this thread and you'll find at least 8-10 different people calling him just that. SamFisher, W, Ronalddeebo, amongst others. And then there are those like Vialli who call him insane and a terrible coach who has regressed this team.

MikeM, I have no problem with your posts. I often agree with them. You are one of the more unbiased and levelheaded posters on the forum when it comes to the contentious stuff. And I certainly agree with you that Conte needs to learn from this year's experience in Europe. If we turn him into the next Ancelotti, that will be pretty damn embarrassing and a sever indictment of our management and lack of patience as fans.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Rough calculation, not taking into account small c/o deals:

In - €436m
Out - €290m

Net - €146m

Over an 8 year period, wow.

What?
Our deficit from buying and sellings players from 07/08 season is around -218m of pounds, only in the last season we made profit +5,48 Mill. £

 

[JuveJay]

What?
Our deficit from buying and sellings players from 07/08 season is around -218m of pounds, only in the last season we made profit +5,48 Mill. £

I added all the visible numbers up season by season for my totals, not transfermarkt.

 

[PedroFlu]

What?
Our deficit from buying and sellings players from 07/08 season is around -218m of pounds, only in the last season we made profit +5,48 Mill. £

Yes.

Among non oil clubs, Juventus is easily one of the top spending teams in the world.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Yes.

Among non oil clubs, Juventus is easily one of the top spending teams in the world.

yet conte is bitching about the money

 

[JuveJay]

Yes.

Among non oil clubs, Juventus is easily one of the top spending teams in the world.

Net spend, I'll emphasize this again. We can sell Vidal, Pogba etc every season and probably would be the biggest spending club, you have to balance it out and step back to take a look at our real spending power. Back to the point - we are not in the top category of wealthy teams.

Even if RUS' €200m figure is correct over 8 years then that is €25m net per season, wowzers again. If mine is correct then it is €18.25m.

Comparison:

Manchester City (over 5 years) - €118m
Chelsea (5) - €69.5m
Manchester United (5) - €34m
Liverpool (5) - €22m
Stoke City (5) - €22m
Aston Villa (5) - €21m

At the other end of the scale Arsenal have only spent €59m net total in 10 years.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Net spend, I'll emphasize this again. We can sell Vidal, Pogba etc every season and probably would be the biggest spending club, you have to balance it out and step back to take a look at our real spending power. Back to the point - we are not in the top category of wealthy teams.

Even if RUS' €200m figure is correct over 8 years then that is €25m net per season, wowzers again. If mine is correct then it is €18.25m.

Comparison:

Manchester City (over 5 years) - €118m
Chelsea (5) - €69.5m
Manchester United (5) - €34m
Liverpool (5) - €22m
Stoke City (5) - €22m
Aston Villa (5) - €21m

At the other end of the scale Arsenal have only spent €59m net total in 10 years.

And? It's juventus fault that english teams are forced to overpay for their native overrated players?

 

[JuveJay]

And? It's juventus fault that english teams are forced to overpay for their native overrated players?

Don't go off on a tangent, we are not as affluent as you are trying to make out. We spend big (relatively) because we generate big, our assets have value.

Besides, Italian players cost a lot, and we buy most of them.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Don't go off on a tangent, we are not as affluent as you are trying to make out. We spend big (relatively) because we generate big, our assets have value.

Besides, Italian players cost a lot, and we buy most of them.

Now add here our wage bil - more than 120m of euro per season

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Don't go off on a tangent, we are not as affluent as you are trying to make out. We spend big (relatively) because we generate big, our assets have value.

Besides, Italian players cost a lot, and we buy most of them.

LOL, which italian player cost us "a lot" ?