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How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Our wage bill is important, that's what separates us and the likes of Villa or Stoke, but we are still quite a way behind most of the similar sized clubs. Using Arsenal as a reference it's something like €175m compared to €115m, the Spaniards are over €200m etc, but their turnovers cover it. This brings me back to my original point.

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Juventino[RUS];4562809 said:
LOL, which italian player cost us "a lot" ?
Quagliarella €15m, Matri €18m, Bonucci €15.5m (p/e), Giovinco €11m (half), back up players cost €5m a piece. You always pay a bit more for domestic players in your league when there is enough money to fund it, there is just extra premium and demand in England, and clubs know they have money.

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Conte is using money excuse again I see. Funny, considering that Juve invested 130m in the last 2 years on the market.
What does the €130m include, exactly?
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Spending on the market; all players that we brought last year were worth close to 70 millions.

At the same time players that we sold were worth 27m, and those are in fact our receivables, net gains were 13m on those transactions, as these guys had book value.

Net result of investments for last summer was 57m, give or take few mills.

Pretty much similar scenario was year before.
 
Mar 9, 2006
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Our wage bill is important, that's what separates us and the likes of Villa or Stoke, but we are still quite a way behind most of the similar sized clubs. Using Arsenal as a reference it's something like €175m compared to €115m, the Spaniards are over €200m etc, but their turnovers cover it. This brings me back to my original point.

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Quagliarella €15m, Matri €18m, Bonucci €15.5m (p/e), Giovinco €11m (half), back up players cost €5m a piece. You always pay a bit more for domestic players in your league when there is enough money to fund it, there is just extra premium and demand in England, and clubs know they have money.

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What does the €130m include, exactly?
And it's "a lot"? Also, Bonehead cost us only 4m, and I'll tell you now what does "a lot" means - Darren Bent was bought for ~25 millions 2 times, Andy Carroll for 40m, Right-Phillips for 35m, Rodwell for 20m, Downing for 27m etc. and you want to compare this transfers with ours? you've gotta be kidding me
 

JuveJay

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Juventino[RUS];4562823 said:
And it's "a lot"? Also, Bonehead cost us only 4m, and I'll tell you now what does "a lot" means - Darren Bent was bought for ~25 millions 2 times, Andy Carroll for 40m, Right-Phillips for 35m, Rodwell for 20m, Downing for 27m etc. and you want to compare this transfers with ours? you've gotta be kidding me
It's subjective, but yes, we paid a fee for those players a little above their talent level (plus other circumstances). Yes I already know these things, and it's not as if PL teams only buy English players...quite the opposite.
 
Mar 9, 2006
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It's subjective, but yes, we paid a fee for those players a little above their talent level (plus other circumstances). Yes I already know these things, and it's not as if PL teams only buy English players...quite the opposite.
But you was talking about us and that we overpay for our italians which is not truth since Marotta became our CEO, if Matri was an englishman and if he had scored 20 goals in EPL then his price could have been around 30m of pounds automatically a
 

digitalbash

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Dec 19, 2013
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Conte is a sore loser, but he does have a point. The club needs to back him and the team financially.

Conte needs to evolve and try new things.

It's not Conte's fault...it will be hard to try new tactics when you have a 36 year old world class player getting paid 3.5 million euros a season. It was a mistake resigning Pirlo. He really limits us and conte tactically.
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Our squad is fine to reach the quarters of the CL, the problem is Conte's poor choice of tactics which has cost us this season in the CL. We have world class players in midfield and defence. We have 2 very good strikers so the excuse we dont have the players is a load of bull$#@!. I am actually starting to believe Conte is insane, the definition of insanity is to repeat the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

Look at our corners all short and half the time they end up going back to the goal keeper but Conte is convinced this works when the evidence shows it does not. He has not once put his hands up and said he was to blame for the CL elimination this season, instead he blamed it on the ref, the players and the pitch. Now sure the frozen kebab pitch did not help but it was not the only reason we went out.

Then in the EL he blamed the ref when we did not score a single goal against a poor Benfica team at home. That is not the ref's fault we cant put the ball in the back of the net tbh.

I'm getting sick of his attitude and this we dont have the money and the team has gone as far it could have gone is crazy. That team was more than good enough to reach the quarter finals.
One thing that cannot be denied is that Conte is having bad approaches to CL and Knout games.

His mentality is smply wrong. Always making statements that we are not only underdogs... but simply not good enoguth to win.

Even when we all know we are maybe not good enought to reach semis or finals.... i think is simply not welcomed his comments about our lack of quality to win.

Before, i didnt undertand this comments.... but now im 99% sure that is a tactic he uses just to be safe in case he does seomething wrong and we fail and get eliminated.
We can prove this by his late comments about demanding players in the mercato or leaving, because he just cannot do more with what he has at his disposal

Thats a coward attitude.
Heck, thats even disrespectful to some of our players who are definitely class.

Im not expecting anything from Conte this year...he has dissapointed me with his attitude, and he will not change.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Teams like Athletico/Udinese/Porto do not spend a shit load of money.

I'm completely against spending like Chelsea/PSG/Madrid

I would prefer if we bought young players. Players that are showing great progress at a young age.

I should of been more clear.
Athletico and udinese arent really top teams. They are seller teams. They have 2-3 good years and 5 or more lesser ones. Like dortmund really.

Athletico has gotten quite lucky with their strikers, but when that luck runs out, their cycle is over and its gonna be taking quite a few years before they resurface. Like dortmund basically.

Porto is the only you mention, who actually is domminating its own league. However, its a story like anderlecht in belgium. They allways are top 3, partially cause without the star players, the team is still solid enough to get third. porto, like athletico, gambles on players, and sells em when they break trough.



What is my point here ? A true topteam, that wants to continue getting top3 in its domestic league, and consistantly perform in europe, doesnt make these gambles. They eighter are rich as fuck, or they slowly take their steps up there.

Because we slowly take steps, we didnt had to sell pogba when we underperformed in europe and made 25mil less turnover then expected.
If we would be taking gambles, we probably would have be forced to sell.
 

samfisher5

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Jan 30, 2013
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Let's assume failing to pass CL group stage this year was an accident. But even when we tried our best in Europa League, we still couldn't do what a smaller team with not much money and only a decent squad like Sevilla did: won the competition. Now don't tell me Juve didn't take EL seriously. We did but we couldn't past Benfica. That's our max. You can argue that Benfica scored a late goal due to a defensive brain-fart but we achieved nothing in 90 min the return leg.
Can someone make a list of things we need to avoid in the future?
1) Too many backpasses and not enough directness in attacking
2) Defensive brain-farts (Bonucci, Ogbonna, ...)
3) Short corners
4) Lack of crosses for Llorente's headers
5) Pirlo's defensive liability (He's super in freekicks though)

It's not a destructive discussion.

Basically just change the coach for a start. ;)

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You're a $#@!head to the nth degree
Just as expected, Conte lovers attack with insults a well contructed opinion questioning his abilities as a coach. Nothing new really. :)

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Conte is a sore loser, but he does have a point. The club needs to back him and the team financially.

Conte needs to evolve and try new things.

It's not Conte's fault...it will be hard to try new tactics when you have a 36 year old world class player getting paid 3.5 million euros a season. It was a mistake resigning Pirlo. He really limits us and conte tactically.
And who is responsbile for resigning Pirlo? Tell me it's not Conte.

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One thing that cannot be denied is that Conte is having bad approaches to CL and Knout games.

His mentality is smply wrong. Always making statements that we are not only underdogs... but simply not good enoguth to win.

Even when we all know we are maybe not good enought to reach semis or finals.... i think is simply not welcomed his comments about our lack of quality to win.

Before, i didnt undertand this comments.... but now im 99% sure that is a tactic he uses just to be safe in case he does seomething wrong and we fail and get eliminated.
We can prove this by his late comments about demanding players in the mercato or leaving, because he just cannot do more with what he has at his disposal

Thats a coward attitude.
Heck, thats even disrespectful to some of our players who are definitely class.

Im not expecting anything from Conte this year...he has dissapointed me with his attitude, and he will not change.
He is just not a good enough coach, bro. And he's hiding behind these three Scudettos but if you think logically, you will know that Juventus is probably the only place where he could achieve this. Do you think he would have been able to win Serie A with any other team other than Juventus? I seriously doubt it.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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Just as expected, Conte lovers attack with insults a well contructed opinion questioning his abilities as a coach. Nothing new really. :)
And Conte haters are brainless morons with completely unfounded and overexaggerated 'facts' and opinions, i.e. you and Juventino[RUS] aka Vasili
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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A mediocre coach turned twice 7th finisher into unbeaten scudetto winner, CL QFs (only lost out to Bayern...) + Scudetto & 102pt Scudetto.

Mediocre :lol:
 

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