Antonio Conte (128 Viewers)

[piotrr]

reus at 19 was a kid playing in bundesliga2 and scored 4 goals.

berardi at 19 is a kid playing in a top league scoring 12 goals.

if berardi continues developing at this rate he will be great.

Dude, 18 yo Del Piero scored 1 goal in 14 games for Padova.
18yo Pato costed Milan over 20m euro and scored 9 goals in his first season in Serie A. Where is Pato now?

 

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[Zacheryah]

of course but in order to polish the "rough diamond" you need to make sure he develops properly. this means that he should not be loaned to somewhere like genua where they would rely on a 33 year old glardino rather than a 19 yr old sensation. that's the problem with serie a.

same applies for defenders.

Zinedine Zidane, probably the greatest footballer ever, said recently about belfodick getting loaned to liverno, that it was good. At their age, players need to play as much games as they can, and that just sitting on a bench doesnt work.

Here is the deal. If berardi is crap 70% of the time, he'll be benched 95% of the time, and be wasted. We dont fucking nurture players. We are a topteam. We field a team that has only success as a goal. We cannot afford to weaken it cause some kid might turn out to be really good.

Pogba, was developped far enough, and more then good enough when he came here.


Berardi needs 50+ games. As long as he plays em in serie a, its all good.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

WOw, rakib is pain in ass for some members around here where are you from, rakib? How old are you?

 

[Zacheryah]

Dude, 18 yo Del Piero scored 1 goal in 14 games for Padova.
18yo Pato costed Milan over 20m euro and scored 9 goals in his first season in Serie A. Where is Pato now?

Remember how Robinho at 17/18 was supposedly better then Ronaldo ?

One became the best striker in history, the other is at milan

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WOw, rakib is pain in ass for members around here where are you from, rakib? How old are you?

I'd love to know the answer to this aswel

 

[rakib567]

I rather loan berardi to Germany or Udinese or Torino. Other teams would just ruin him.

 

[alexjuventino]

I rather loan berardi to Germany or Udinese or Torino. Other teams would just ruin him.

What about the Eredivisie? You love that league

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

they were all 20-21 etc... they were still young and inexperienced just like sassuolo

My God. You really are only 13, aren't you?

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

reus at 19 was a kid playing in bundesliga2 and scored 4 goals.

berardi at 19 is a kid playing in a top league scoring 12 goals.

if berardi continues developing at this rate he will be great.

OMG

Why must the forum be subjected to this garbage on a daily basis?

 

[napoleonic]

I don't see why stating that if a 19 years old who scored 12 goals in serie a can continue developing will be great is something to be ridiculed at especially when the stated player is considered the future of juve, as if you don't want berardi to become our messi

Zinedine Zidane, probably the greatest footballer ever, said recently about belfo$#@! getting loaned to liverno, that it was good. At their age, players need to play as much games as they can, and that just sitting on a bench doesnt work.

Here is the deal. If berardi is crap 70% of the time, he'll be benched 95% of the time, and be wasted. We dont $#@!ing nurture players. We are a topteam. We field a team that has only success as a goal. We cannot afford to weaken it cause some kid might turn out to be really good.

Pogba, was developped far enough, and more then good enough when he came here.


Berardi needs 50+ games. As long as he plays em in serie a, its all good.

I don't see how having a berardi in current juve is in any way worse than quaq, giovinco and vuc... even in near future, it always said we can't afford nani, we can't afford cuadrado, we can't afford di maria, if it so that we can only afford mediocre guys like menez, biabiani, cerci and co then surely it's worth taking the risk with berardi? after all berardi himself must be able to compete with all those 3rd class wingers/ss to gain his position at lower midtable serie a teams? if berardi can't compete with the likes of cerci at juve then how can he compete with biabiani at other teams assuming we loan him out?

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

The point is, Berardi is at the age and level where he's inconsistent. He'll still get plenty of starts at smaller clubs, but a handful of bad games in a team competing at the highest level and he's dropped indefinitely.

He needs to develop, and we're certainly not a developing club. Nor should we be when we are required to compete for silverware.

 

[napoleonic]

The point is, Berardi is at the age and level where he's inconsistent. He'll still get plenty of starts at smaller clubs, but a handful of bad games in a team competing at the highest level and he's dropped indefinitely.

He needs to develop, and we're certainly not a developing club. Nor should we be when we are required to compete for silverware.

well for a comparison, pogba indeed developed after some early months at juve but now after certain amount of games he has been somewhat stale, let's be hones here, he didn't automatically and linearly turn into a zidane yet right, and that is proof enough that young players don't necessarily need 38 league games a season to consistently developing.

besides, most people forgetting that competitive matches are just that max 3 times a week, right? footballers or any athletes certainly don't get developed from just competitive matches alone, in fact one can argue that athletes developed more because of trainings than competitive matches; and then training at the highest class of environment (juve) should and would benefit much more than training at the mediocre environment (lower midtable teams)...

I'd think that 15-20 serie a & coppa matches plus the chance to play at CL games with juve at such high competitive level of mentality would be a much beneficial learning environment to gifted young players than playing 38 serie a games with mediocre clubs surrounded by mediocre players operating at mediocre or even loser mentality state.

besides, it's only 1-2 players ffs, it's not as if we are going to field 7 youngsters in a CL match why is it so hard for italian football to digest this?

 

[Elvin]

Remember how Robinho at 17/18 was supposedly better then Ronaldo ?

One became the best striker in history, the other is at milan

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nice

enough said

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Rakib what an annoying kid.

I'm starting to also hate @AlexJuventino for making conversation with him in every thread, like we want to read his garbage. Just stop.

 

[Klin]

[MENTION=5409]Juventino[RUS][/MENTION] please destroy this filthy peasant, i dont have the infractionspace for it


Seriously rakib, get your ass away from our forum. I've just had it with your bullshit

So they're bonding nowadays?

 

[Bianconero81]

I see Rakib has infested the Conte thread I find it funny that he mentions Klopp, when Dortmund just got eliminated last night

In any case, I do agree (somewhat ) with Klin. Next year, if we fail to progress beyond the group stage (yet again) it would constitute a massive failure; questions will have to be asked and decisions taken.

 

[donpiero]

It's not that we play like sh!t or anything ....But but but that by the time we "hit form" and get rid of "individual errors", we'd be drawing 5 of our group stage games ... yet again :depressed

 

[rounder]

well for a comparison, pogba indeed developed after some early months at juve but now after certain amount of games he has been somewhat stale, let's be hones here, he didn't automatically and linearly turn into a zidane yet right, and that is proof enough that young players don't necessarily need 38 league games a season to consistently developing.

besides, most people forgetting that competitive matches are just that max 3 times a week, right? footballers or any athletes certainly don't get developed from just competitive matches alone, in fact one can argue that athletes developed more because of trainings than competitive matches; and then training at the highest class of environment (juve) should and would benefit much more than training at the mediocre environment (lower midtable teams)...

I'd think that 15-20 serie a & coppa matches plus the chance to play at CL games with juve at such high competitive level of mentality would be a much beneficial learning environment to gifted young players than playing 38 serie a games with mediocre clubs surrounded by mediocre players operating at mediocre or even loser mentality state.

besides, it's only 1-2 players ffs, it's not as if we are going to field 7 youngsters in a CL match why is it so hard for italian football to digest this?

It's not a horrible idea to implement Berardi into the squad but you need to remember that it could really backfire and destroy his career. It could work and with some players it has worked, but the truth is that Juventus just aren't that good at developing young players like Arsenal and Barca.

In fact, in recent memory, with the exception of Marchisio and Pogba; we haven't really developed any one of our players. We usually buy the finished product and when we do invest in youth, that player has to be very highly rated.

I think this trend will slowly change if Conte stays. Our previous managers came to this team with the idea of keeping their jobs and delivering results as quick as possible. They didn't have an eye for the future. There are signs that things are changing. We have a great coach and a management with long term plans for this club.

We already own or co own some of the best young talent in Italy and the time will eventually come when we start implementing younger players into the team, and I'm sure that this is a long term strategy for us, and any great team really. For now though, our aim is to get the best results we can to establish ourselves among Europe's elite.

 

[Klovn]

OMG

Why must the forum be subjected to this garbage on a daily basis?

This.

 

[Lion]

OMG

Why must the forum be subjected to this garbage on a daily basis?

shhh dont fight it. just let it happen

 

[Zacheryah]

well for a comparison, pogba indeed developed after some early months at juve but now after certain amount of games he has been somewhat stale, let's be hones here, he didn't automatically and linearly turn into a zidane yet right, and that is proof enough that young players don't necessarily need 38 league games a season to consistently developing.

besides, most people forgetting that competitive matches are just that max 3 times a week, right? footballers or any athletes certainly don't get developed from just competitive matches alone, in fact one can argue that athletes developed more because of trainings than competitive matches; and then training at the highest class of environment (juve) should and would benefit much more than training at the mediocre environment (lower midtable teams)...

I'd think that 15-20 serie a & coppa matches plus the chance to play at CL games with juve at such high competitive level of mentality would be a much beneficial learning environment to gifted young players than playing 38 serie a games with mediocre clubs surrounded by mediocre players operating at mediocre or even loser mentality state.

besides, it's only 1-2 players ffs, it's not as if we are going to field 7 youngsters in a CL match why is it so hard for italian football to digest this?

What you again fail to understand, is the importants of reliable quality on the bench. Its totally fine to have some youngsters on the bench, as long as they have developped far enough so they could be subbed on without making to much compromises.
The key thing beeing, they must be able to play alot, and challenge.

Pogba, could do this at 20. He came on, sure asamoah had to cover him a bit, but he added immediatly to the team, the gap in quality wasent that great, the tactical flow was less, but for such a talent, thats not a big deal.

But here is the thing. Juve cannot afford to trow games, by lining up youngsters that arent good enough to compete yet. And the youngsters cannot afford to miss playing games, waiting for when we meet a minor team.

Therefore, a player must have reached a certain level of quality and consistancy, he must be able to challenge.


Currently, Berardi is buzy challenging at Sassulo. His long string of lesser games doesnt even make him a starter anymore ! What the hell is he supposed to do at juventus when Tevez who is never injured or tired, is in front of you. Should be bench the vastly superior tevez ? SHould we risk to have Tevez form drop cause we need to grow up some kiddo ? Hell no, we are juventus.


The argument about training facilities is a weak one. The greatest players ever, learned to play on the street. Sure, training facilities help to polish players and aid development when they are in the academy, but playtime is much much more important.

Thats why players need to loaned out untill they have developped and showed some consistancy. The players much reach that point, that if they were owned by a minor club, that they would want to take the transfer to the big teams. That very point.

Immobile is a great example. Past years he'd hardly make our bench. Now with a small club, he makes his breaktrough, and is consistant all season. He is ready.

So they're bonding nowadays?

Not really. At least not the way you celebrate your raging homosexuality with your friends here.