Antonio Conte (103 Viewers)

How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
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oh i totally understand branding but seriously people are bitching about it like little girls
Because people pay money to attend these events. That's why. These aren't free most of the time.

And let me ask you a question. Let's say for the sake of Argument that Juve was over 3000 miles away from where you live, and you are afforded an opportunity to meet these players, and get autographs, and watch them practice, and pay good money to do so. And then they cancel for no good reason whatsover. How would you feel about it? Would you not be upset?

It's a totally different perspective for you because of your much closer proximity to Juve than most of the world. So don't come on here and accuse those who are upset of bitichin like little girls, which quite honestly, coming from you, who HAPPENS TO BE one of the biggest bitches that I have ever seen on this forum, is quite amazing.


Don't sit here and call the kettle black.


Waiting patiently for your -REP, as if that's going to make any fucking difference.
 

Ragazza

Calciopoli Director
Jul 22, 2013
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The sad part is that it seems to ONLY be Conte that made the entire club look like they don't care about the fans. Wasn't even a coaching staff thing, because Carrera came out & chatted with fans for a bit, at least once. And then of course when the players were allowed to they were very friendly as well.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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@Badass Vidal


I apologize for my comments, as they were out of line. It's been an absolutely brutal last 48 hours for me, but that is no excuse.


But I think you get the gist of what I'm getting at here.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
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@Badass Vidal


I apologize for my comments, as they were out of line. It's been an absolutely brutal last 48 hours for me, but that is no excuse.


But I think you get the gist of what I'm getting at here.
no i do understand from your point of view but it just seems there is a bit of an over reaction by those who wern't actually affected as if the club's image is permanently damaged. I hope for your sake at least the club compensate you some how but that is down to the marketing manager. I remember a mate of mine getting pissed off for traveling to manchester to watch arsenal lose and only one player went to the 'away' fans to thank them for there support that i find unacceptable, what was worse that there was no apology
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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no i do understand from your point of view but it just seems there is a bit of an over reaction by those who wern't actually affected as if the club's image is permanently damaged.
But sometimes the club's image, or their interpretation of how much the club values it's fan base, is based on the individual or individuals affected. Maybe in the short term, it affects a small group of people and is just a drop in the bucket. But if this pattern continues in the future, the drops in that bucket begin to fill up.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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it may not affect the current fan base (much)

but you certainly wont win over new fans
And that explains it perfectly.

These pre-season tours aren't so much about the current fanbase. They are fans before the team got to your country, and they will be fans after. You don't expand your global brand by making those who are already supportive of you buy more product.

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Juve play in the US for the promotion of the club only.. I bet Conte is rather annoyed with the US tour TBH
Then he can't complain about the financial situation that Juve are in compared to the other big clubs in Europe, if that is the case.


This is one of those avenues to expand the brand, and therefore bring in new revenue.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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tbh a big deal has been made out of next to nothing, that is why we have the ritiro at chatillon it's not like we did that behind closed doors, like wise there were other PR events the players turned up for during the US tour, yes they had to cancel one appointment but its not like they made themselves isolated from the fans the entire summer
If it were merely canceling one appointment. Try last year when fans paid hundreds of dollars for tickets to fly down to places like D.C., who took time off of work, who reserved hotel rooms -- only for Juve to say, "Wooops. Sorry. We're not going. Bye." And no refunds: their tickets said it was valid for Club America or whatnot to play in their place.

Or all the training sessions they advertised as open, only to change their minds at the last minute and say they were closed, locking out fans at the gates. Some after traveling 90 miles to get there, only to be given a vague answer of, "Well, try again later maybe."

You really don't get this, do you? You're on an international tour and if you break 80%+ of your publicly stated commitments to fans, what does that tell them? Either don't even attempt to state such commitments, or don't even bother coming out.

no i do understand from your point of view but it just seems there is a bit of an over reaction by those who wern't actually affected as if the club's image is permanently damaged. I hope for your sake at least the club compensate you some how but that is down to the marketing manager. I remember a mate of mine getting pissed off for traveling to manchester to watch arsenal lose and only one player went to the 'away' fans to thank them for there support that i find unacceptable, what was worse that there was no apology
Look. I've been loyal to this club for many years. But what I saw on display pretty much told me, "Why are you bothering?" from the club. And not just to me. To anybody with a desire to meet them on a tour here.
 

TheLaz

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Oct 6, 2011
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Then he can't complain about the financial situation that Juve are in, compared to the other big clubs in Europe, if that is the case.
This is one of those avenues to expand the brand, and therefore bring in new revenue.
Transmission of football in prime time is what win new fans over, not the signing of shirts to the ones the club already has. I agree it's sort of arrogant not to do it, but Juve are only there to reach your TV, mate :/
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Transmission of football in prime time is what win new fans over, not the signing of shirts to the ones the club already has. I agree it's sort of arrogant not to do it, but Juve are only there to reach your TV, mate :/
No, my friend. It's much bigger than that. A big as TV revenue is, you have to take a look at situations where people will go in bars to watch matches. Granted, it might be a small percentage, but that is revenue taken out of the league due to 100 people watching 1 TV instead of 100.

It's about the merchandising. It's about the human element, the interaction with players that a lot of people (rightly or wrongly) look up to as heroes and role models. When the bosses of those players basically tell you "You're not worth the trouble", how is someone supposed to react?

As a club, who is a business, you WANT to have people all over the world wearing your stuff, buying your merchandise, subscribing to your premium websites. Juve don't care how long you have been a fan, just that you are a paying one.

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If it were merely canceling one appointment. Try last year when fans paid hundreds of dollars for tickets to fly down to places like D.C., who took time off of work, who reserved hotel rooms -- only for Juve to say, "Wooops. Sorry. We're not going. Bye." And no refunds: their tickets said it was valid for Club America or whatnot to play in their place.

Or all the training sessions they advertised as open, only to change their minds at the last minute and say they were closed, locking out fans at the gates. Some after traveling 90 miles to get there, only to be given a vague answer of, "Well, try again later maybe."

You really don't get this, do you? You're on an international tour and if you break 80%+ of your publicly stated commitments to fans, what does that tell them? Either don't even attempt to state such commitments, or don't even bother coming out.



Look. I've been loyal to this club for many years. But what I saw on display pretty much told me, "Why are you bothering?" from the club. And not just to me. To anybody with a desire to meet them on a tour here.
I do have a good idea as to what that would get them if they were in another field of employment.


Fired.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
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I'm, referring to the general dissapointment of the local fans. It had much more to do with how they handled them, then the performances on the field.
TBH I don't think he is much concerned about that. I'm sure he would rather player three games in Italy, but also has to realise PR is part of being a big club coach.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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It seems that people here don't understand how a business operates. Branding, marketing, customer engagement are vital to the success of any organization.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Arguably, you could even say that Manchowder is wise enough to even deliberately make some Asian signings knowing that will help develop their overseas fan base there.
I remember when Peruggia signed Nakata in '98. Every match you could see numerous reporters from Asia following him and the team as well. Later on they brought Ahn. Ever since than I've been thinking about it. They were ahead of their time back than and a pretty decent team.
 

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