Andrea Pirlo (113 Viewers)

[Robee]

1. lol, that's some opinion.
2. Combining a lineup from two teams isn't a fair way to rate 11 vs 11 ir squad vs squad. F.e., while I agree that in a front 2 Lukaku and Ronaldo would start (and that's about the only thing we agree about here), which would make you think that the attacking firepower is similar, actually Ronaldo as a goalscorer is a head and shoulders above Lukaku, Morata and Martinez are perhaps similarly dangerous and Dybala is way better than Sanchez.

Which is not something I disagree on. Thing is Lukaku easily wins you just as many games in Serie A against some minnows and he does much more than scoring goals and upsetting the team's balance. Lukaku would always start in a combined 11, under any coach with the other spot being Dybala or Ronnie. Their midfield is obviously better and it's not like Bonucci, fossil Chiellini, Demiral or gassed out Alex Sandro would start. Heck even Hakimi is better than Cuadrado who's one of our best players this season.

 

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[zizinho]

Felix Magath @zizinho

Let's do this

 

[Gigiventus]

3 trophies of which 2 Supercoppa's who no one actually rates or cares about.

He's also managed to qualify for the CL only once which was always their main objective! Let's not overrate him. He's better than Pirlo for his experience and how he made his teams play but let's not get carried away. He's not a coach of Juve's level.

No one cares about or you don't care about?

A trophy for Lazio is great for them, scudetto, coppa, or supercoppa. It's very important in clubs not named Juve.

You forget Lazio's dimension. They didn't qualify for CL for more than 10 years before Inzaghi, and not to the CL knockouts since 20 years back when Lazio last won the scudetto.

He is absolutely of Juve's level, would do very well here.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Let's do this

Barza and Dzeko

 

[il brutto]

3 trophies of which 2 Supercoppa's who no one actually rates or cares about.

He's also managed to qualify for the CL only once which was always their main objective! Let's not overrate him. He's better than Pirlo for his experience and how he made his teams play but let's not get carried away. He's not a coach of Juve's level.

Lazio hadn't played in the CL since the 2007/2008 season. CL qualification is hardly something they're expected to achieve each year. I think that with Lazio's resources CL qualification is a brilliant achievement, as are the "small" trophies they've won. We as Juventus fans might not care much about such trophies but Lazio are not Juve and for them these trophies do matter.

Here are some numbers to consider:

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money spent:

 

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[Zzak]

It baffles me to see how many people ignore the fact we are missing key pieces to make this team work. Without an actual ST, CDM, let alone regista you can not judge this squad as the 'best in the league' or whatever. It's not even close.

We have Morata, and 5 central Midfielders(Mckennie, Ramsey, Rabiot, Bentancur and Arthur) that amount close to 200 mil on transfermarkt. That is more than the total value of some of the squads that have beated us this year.

If you can't make due with any of those as your CDM then change the bloody formation to suit the players you have at your disposal. You don't need prime Kante to win the league. We've won it with worse midfields.

The problem is that this bum cannot get this team properly organized and to play football.

It's amazing how someone with such vision and ability to read the game as a player can be so trash as a manager.

I'd rather have Gattuso in his place. At least the players would play out of fear.

 

[Robee]

Lazio hadn't played in the CL since the 2007/2008 season. CL qualification is hardly something they're expected to achieve each year. I think that with Lazio's resources CL qualification is a brilliant achievement, as are the "small" trophies they've won. We as Juventus fans might not care much about such trophies but Lazio are not Juve and for them these trophies do matter.

Here are some numbers to consider:

Spoiler

net spent:

money spent:

He didn't have to spend, the squad was there and other teams like Milan and Roma were drowning. Except for the Coppa, I see nothing special.

 

[il brutto]

He didn't have to spend, the squad was there and other teams like Milan and Roma were drowning. Except for the Coppa, I see nothing special.

What are you talking about? The current squad is pretty much completely different compared to what they had when he started. He has been there for ≈5 years so that is to be expected.

Here is the line-up for his first match in charge:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2604292

I feel you're downplaying his achievements here for some reason. It's his first real coaching job and each year he has at minimum reached their objectives and has even managed to win them a few trophies while doing so. He has also improved many of the players he has at his disposal.

 

[Robee]

We have Morata, and 5 central Midfielders(Mckennie, Ramsey, Rabiot, Bentancur and Arthur) that amount close to 200 mil on transfermarkt. That is more than the total value of some of the squads that have beated us this year.

If you can't make due with any of those as your CDM then change the bloody formation to suit the players you have at your disposal. You don't need prime Kante to win the league. We've won it with worse midfields.

The problem is that this bum cannot get this team properly organized and to play football.

It's amazing how someone with such vision and ability to read the game as a player can be so trash as a manager.

I'd rather have Gattuso in his place. At least the players would play out of fear.

Yeah, value and quality often gets mixed up. It's not the same.

Pirlo did change the bloody formation after a very stubborn first half of the season. Thing is every week some bum gives an assist to the opponent. Kulu, Bentancur, Arthur to name a few. It's not his fault. At the time Allegri and Sarri were blamed in the same way. If it ain't obvious we simply lack quality now, it'll never be.

 

[GarfielD]

You must be kidding. Spalletti is far from a great coach but there are hardly any coaches that are equal or worse than Pirlo.

He is better than Pirlo for sure, I just stated my oppinion by preference.

Let me put it this way: If it is either Spalletti or Pirlo, Id rather stick with Pirlo. Pirlo although shit coach, he can only improve, while Spaletti is too limited to be our coach. He isnt the right man for this team and everyone knows it. I would compare him with Sarri.

 

[Robee]

What are you talking about? The current squad is pretty much completely different compared to what they had when he started. He has been there for ≈5 years so that is to be expected.

Here is the line-up for his first match in charge:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2604292

I feel you're downplaying his achievements here for some reason. It's his first real coaching job and each year he has at minimum reached their objectives and has even managed to win them a few trophies while doing so. He has also improved many of the players he has at his disposal.

Of course it was different, it's fucking 5 years ago. But he never needed major overhauls. He already had Immobile, Lulic, SMS, Luis Alberto, Parolo, Patric, etc. at his disposal.

I'm not downplaying it. I'm saying they're a better team than before but that's also the quality of the squad and they definitely need to qualify for the CL with that. Last year they massively overachieved and they won a Coppa, other than that it's just ok.

 

[Dostoevsky]

He is better than Pirlo for sure, I just stated my oppinion by preference.

Let me put it this way: If it is either Spalletti or Pirlo, Id rather stick with Pirlo. Pirlo although shit coach, he can only improve, while Spaletti is too limited to be our coach. He isnt the right man for this team and everyone knows it. I would compare him with Sarri.

Spalletti would not come here to coach us for 10-15 matches so we fire him. That's a fact imo.

And no, I don't think Spalletti is good enough to coach us, so we should skip on him.

If we're planning on signing a permanent coach in June I don't mind getting us hiring Tudor for a short fix. I don't rate him as a coach but I believe players would be more motivated than they currently are.

 

[juve123]

Curious crossroads between Simone Inzaghi and Andrea Pirlo, whose future at Juventus remains in the balance: the Lazio coach has been in talks for months to renew his contract with Lazio. Watch out for Juve, who had already courted him in the last 2 years.(Nico schira)

 

[Robee]

No one cares about or you don't care about?

A trophy for Lazio is great for them, scudetto, coppa, or supercoppa. It's very important in clubs not named Juve.

You forget Lazio's dimension. They didn't qualify for CL for more than 10 years before Inzaghi, and not to the CL knockouts since 20 years back when Lazio last won the scudetto.

He is absolutely of Juve's level, would do very well here.

Didn't forget it at all. I look at quality instead of bullshit stories like history. Man United won numerous premier leagues, doesn't mean shit if you don't have the quality. Let's hire Ranieri then because what he did with Leicester makes him the best coach in the world...

Inzaghi is also a counter attacking coach while the whole point of our changes is to get away from that.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Felix Magath @zizinho

ohhh he would make men out of our softies

Either that or they’d die of exhaustion

I’m willing to take that chance. Do it!

 

[il brutto]

Of course it was different, it's fucking 5 years ago. But he never needed major overhauls. He already had Immobile, Lulic, SMS, Luis Alberto, Parolo, Patric, etc. at his disposal. Who do we have that was already there in 2015 except some fossils?

They've had a major overhaul, majority of the team has changed.

Yes they signed Immobile and Luis Alberto during his first summer there. One of them was a huge flop for Liverpool and the another one was a huge flop for Dortmund and Sevilla. Nowadays Luis Alberto is amongst the best midfielders in the Serie A and Immobile is amongst the best strikers in the Serie A. Are you counting it against him that he makes players better?

 

[.zero]

inb4 someone suggests Prandelli

same caliber as Spaletti or other Italian spares

 

[GarfielD]

Spalletti would not come here to coach us for 10-15 matches so we fire him. That's a fact imo.

And no, I don't think Spalletti is good enough to coach us, so we should skip on him.

If we're planning on signing a permanent coach in June I don't mind getting us hiring Tudor for a short fix. I don't rate him as a coach but I believe players would be more motivated than they currently are.

His name is mentioned as our next coach, not as a temporary fix until the season ends. If it is between him or Pirlo for a permanent coach, Id stick with Pirlo. That was my point.

Tudor also sucks btw. I dont think him taking over Pirlo until the season ends will motivate these players to finish it on a high.

 

[JCK]

Allegri, Zidane or Spaletti?

We all know how the process works so far than you can bet your house on Spaletti