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juve123

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Aug 10, 2017
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He's probably thinking what some of us are already thinking. We are moving on to the next phase. Rebuilding. And it is certainly his right to want to leave, if that is the case. Take that money, invest in young players, and save a ton of money on salary.

I'm all in for a full rebuild, but that is what it HAS to be. A full rebuild.

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At the end of the day, he has the final say. However, you would be hard pressed to convince me that this is the guy he wanted.

Far from it.
Yes if we can't compete in the champions League with Ronaldo then it would be better for him to leave
 

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KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Would love to know what he's done or said that's convinced Agnelli that he's ready. I'm hoping they know something we don't and it's just a matter of Agnelli take a chance. Although it's completely insane and I'm totally against Italian managers I don't think there could of been a more interesting appointment. Pirlo has a different kind of character and has an air of mystery. I just fucking hope it pays off.

If you see it as us playing the long game with this, then I think it will pay off. That is the only rationale that I can come up with, and quite honestly, I am totally cool with takinga step back to move 3 steps forward.
 

KB824

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Yes if we can't compete in the champions League with Ronaldo then it would be better for him to leave

We took our chance, and it didn't work. It's time to look in the mirror and realize that with all the "name" players we have, we got run off the pitch by 2 of the youngest teams in recent memory in the CL.

The first time could have possibly been looked at as an anamoly. But not this time. I watched the replay of the match, and we are painfully slow. Tactics need to go out the window when your opposition consistently has a half step on his marker.

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Yes to be frank I would like to see Buffon chiellini and maybe even cuadrado play the role of mentors from bench next season, and allow young talents to join the team and play games.

Buffon and Chiellini, yes. Cuadrado can still add something. His quickness hasn't left him yet.

I hate to say this about our captain, but right now, he is the 3rd best CB on the squad.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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We can't keep adding a player here and there and hoping that we catch lightning in a bottle for the Champions League. That already happened 2 years ago and it didn't work. We shot our load with CR7, and it didn't happen. Very well. You move on to the next phase.

Better to do it a year too early than a year too late, because history shows that you never fully recover if it is a year too late.


Which is why, to me, Paratici is VITAL in this regard. He needs to be left to do what he does best, and that is to get the best young talents out there.

Experience means nothing if you are being handily outplayed, outcoached, and quite frankly, run off the pitch by a 7th place Ligue 1 squad in the Champions League
For that to work, you need a coach willing to play young talent. The "old guard" cliché is synonymous with Juventus and I don't like it anymore.

There is good youngsters in Italy (Tonali, Zaniolo, Locatelli, Boka, etc) and hopefully Pirlo is willing to shy away from what we all know Italian coaches do.

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Forza Pirlo, i'm surprised at this appointment but he has my full support. Excited for the new season.
See folks. Plenty to be optimistic about. Can't get worse but it probably will :grin:

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Buffon and Chiellini, yes. Cuadrado can still add something. His quickness hasn't left him yet.

I hate to say this about our captain, but right now, he is the 3rd best CB on the squad.
It's time for Chiellini to take a backseat role as a sub. He can still add value and coaching from he sideline, etc and when called upon still serve a purpose. We haven't actually seen him play but I think its time to pass the baton. Kills me to say it.
 

KB824

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For that to work, you need a coach willing to play young talent. The "old guard" cliché is synonymous with Juventus and I don't like it anymore.

There is good youngsters in Italy (Tonali, Zaniolo, Locatelli, Boka, etc) and hopefully Pirlo is willing to shy away from what we all know Italian coaches do.

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See folks. Plenty to be optimistic about. Can't get worse but it probably will :grin:

And you don't think that Pirlo would be the type to play the young guys? I have a feeling that Pirlo will play those who deserve to play, regardless of age, or being their "mates" at one point in their playing careers.

His press conference will be the first time we have a good idea on what he wants to do. If he wants to attack, and press non-stop, then the young guys are in.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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And you don't think that Pirlo would be the type to play the young guys? I have a feeling that Pirlo will play those who deserve to play, regardless of age, or being their "mates" at one point in their playing careers.

His press conference will be the first time we have a good idea on what he wants to do. If he wants to attack, and press non-stop, then the young guys are in.
Pirlo is a smart guy, I'm curious to see what his plan is.
 

MrMonkey

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Jul 15, 2017
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Don't go as far back some old timers here with football but he has my vote for greatest single play in Italia international play.

It's your team now and backing all the moves you make, only positive thoughts!
GOOD LUCK!!!
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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That’s not entirely accurate. He may have wanted a more progressive style of play but that doesn’t mean he wanted Sarri.

Fabio and Nedved attempted to follow that strategy and laid out an agenda which was flawed from the start by warring with Max. When reality set in and we learned that they created the divide and fired max who Agnelli was fond and bring (unviable) Sarri as the only available option then what other choice does he have?

The final decision may be his but not his first choice since he wasn’t presented any options by his subordinates.
Unless he already had a deal in place with his desired coach then perhaps he should have stuck with Allegri for another season or so.

Besides, if we couldn't get a Guardiola, Zidane or Klopp calibre coach then there are no suitable Italian alternatives. Then you start looking at up and coming European coaches, and the extra difficulties that brings with integration into calcio. We've already seen Roma fail numerous times with this approach, and they have half the winning pressure of Juve. When you see the squad that would be available to the coach this season then Sarri was certainly a gamble but also a safer choice to go with than many of the other options.

I'm interested in who we seriously had in mind instead of Sarri. It surely couldn't be Guardiola or bust, that is such poor planning.

The Pirlo thing is not without risk. Financially it's lower risk, but on the sporting side there is always the potential to not win that 10th scudetto. Would they stick with him? Pirlo seems like a fashionable gamble, but maybe in a year's time the choice of quality coaches will be better, and the club also have that in mind.

It's a nice idea starting with a popular young coach for a season that is going to be the start of the next cycle, but Pirlo needs the same points buffer that Sarri earned to take a bit of early pressure off.
 

icemaη

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Aug 27, 2008
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Unless he already had a deal in place with his desired coach then perhaps he should have stuck with Allegri for another season or so.

Besides, if we couldn't get a Guardiola, Zidane or Klopp calibre coach then there are no suitable Italian alternatives. Then you start looking at up and coming European coaches, and the extra difficulties that brings with integration into calcio. We've already seen Roma fail numerous times with this approach, and they have half the winning pressure of Juve. When you see the squad that would be available to the coach this season then Sarri was certainly a gamble but also a safer choice to go with than many of the other options.

I'm interested in who we seriously had in mind instead of Sarri. It surely couldn't be Guardiola or bust, that is such poor planning.

The Pirlo thing is not without risk. Financially it's lower risk, but on the sporting side there is always the potential to not win that 10th scudetto. Would they stick with him? Pirlo seems like a fashionable gamble, but maybe in a year's time the choice of quality coaches will be better, and the club also have that in mind.

It's a nice idea starting with a popular young coach for a season that is going to be the start of the next cycle, but Pirlo needs the same points buffer that Sarri earned to take a bit of early pressure off.
From what I remember from a year ago, Max didn't want to stick around without a contract extension. And then the news about him wanting major revisions to the squad to sign that extension.
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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I keep seeing complete overhaul and massive rebuild comments everywhere. We as species tend to operate on extremes, esp the 100m Pjanices. Things are always exaggerated after a bad loss.

We need a top CM, top winger, and a defensively solid RB for XI. And a backup LB and a Milik. That's all. Team won't be "completed," quality will lack in one or two of those players due to $, but that's the extent of rebuild (rejuvenation with actual quality a better term) needed.

Midfield may go from too old to too young, but we aren't taking a year off and surrending the scudo to inte*.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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The fact that he said hell no to Jorginho is a great sign for me.
Hopefully he maintains that the focus should be improving the midfield.

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I keep seeing complete overhaul and massive rebuild comments everywhere. We as species tend to operate on extremes, esp the 100m Pjanices. Things are always exaggerated after a bad loss.

We need a top CM, top winger, and a defensively solid RB for XI. And a backup LB and a Milik. That's all. Team won't be "completed," quality will lack in one or two of those players due to $, but that's the extent of rebuild (rejuvenation with actual quality a better term) needed.

Midfield may go from too old to too young, but we aren't taking a year off and surrending the scudo to inte*.
I would say we need at least 2 new CMs. (Even after Arthur).
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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I keep seeing complete overhaul and massive rebuild comments everywhere. We as species tend to operate on extremes, esp the 100m Pjanices. Things are always exaggerated after a bad loss.

We need a top CM, top winger, and a defensively solid RB for XI. And a backup LB and a Milik. That's all. Team won't be "completed," quality will lack in one or two of those players due to $, but that's the extent of rebuild (rejuvenation with actual quality a better term) needed.

Midfield may go from too old to too young, but we aren't taking a year off and surrending the scudo to inte*.
Yep, we already have a great young core in De Ligt, Demiral, Bentancur, Dybala and Kulusevski. Ronaldo and Szczesny aren’t young but they are two of our best players. Sandro is decent. So basically we just need a striker, a midfielder and a right back.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I keep seeing complete overhaul and massive rebuild comments everywhere. We as species tend to operate on extremes, esp the 100m Pjanices. Things are always exaggerated after a bad loss.

We need a top CM, top winger, and a defensively solid RB for XI. And a backup LB and a Milik. That's all. Team won't be "completed," quality will lack in one or two of those players due to $, but that's the extent of rebuild (rejuvenation with actual quality a better term) needed.

Midfield may go from too old to too young, but we aren't taking a year off and surrending the scudo to inte*.
Agree. We'll lose some older deadwood for sure but there is no way it'll be a complete, challenging young squad in the space of a month.

Hold onto your hats - this also means that we won't be a CL favourite for next season.
 

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