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Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Difference is we played well, we created lots of chances but we werent able to convert them, and teams with one shot on goal would get points from us. Right now is different, teams dominate us and create a lot of chances.
Last night 26 shots on goal (2 crossbars (Cuad, Dybala), 6 on target. Several great chances for Berna, Morata x2, Kulu, Dybala, etc. Besides a goal, that came from our mistake, what other great chance did Verona create? 6 shots in total, 2 on target. Possession 62:38. Doesnt look like we were dominated. At times they pressed well but once we would get past it, it looked like we could score every single time. They left acres of space between midfield and defense, which unfortunately we didnt take advantage of.

Does anyone recall our game against Frosinone several years back? Absolutely dreadful performance, then against Sassuolo when Buffon and Chiellini told everyone in the locker room after the match that we are playing like shit, etc... calma
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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I'm afraid it's a little bit more than unluck or Pirlo's learning curve. Defense has looked hopelessly fragile on counters against every (very weak) team faced so far.

It's about fit. We are playing 3CBs + 2 mids. What other team does that? Specially when one of your CMs is Arthur, who is clearly weak defensively (also useless offensively)
good point, except arthur's defensive contribution: he actually had 5 tackles and 2 cleared balls, and won 6/6 duels. offensively, he offered basically nothing unfortunately.
 

Mike-e-y

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Jul 18, 2004
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I'm curious about that last comment.

Atalanta lost 4-1 and 3-1 to Napoli and Samp

Inter already has 2 draws and a loss

Lazio is 12th on the table and got smashed by Sampdoria of all teams

Napoli lost to Alkmaar at home

Only Milan is a level above anyone else, and its Milan, so they will decline soon.

Classic case of over reacting to our own faults while ignoring those of everyone else.
My friend, maybe you forget that we have 1 win and 3 draws in the league. Let us not get wrapped up by the other victory that was given to us by forfeit - that is most certainly not a win. We have 1 win in the CL against a dreadful opponent.

All of the teams I have mentioned have achieved better results than us on the pitch so far this season.

I know there will be anomalies as you have pointed out, but the anomaly for us is the victory over samp...
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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Where's the excitement now?

Funny how people starting to go ape shit over the fact that his our 3rd coach in 3 years. Our identity has been lost for a while now, takes while to build it back, whether it's with him or not. Doesn't really matter who we got behind the bench, results been going downhill for a while now. It ain't about the coach.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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Where's the excitement now?

Funny how people starting to go ape shit over the fact that his our 3rd coach in 3 years. Our identity has been lost for a while now, takes while to build it back, whether it's with him or not. Doesn't really matter who we got behind the bench, results been going downhill for a while now. It ain't about the coach.
I'm still excited
 

enzo

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May 14, 2012
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And you just can't hide it.

Considering there is a small alternation of generations going on right now, all under a new coach and during this pandemic, we could do worse. I would love to see us win every game, but as @Pegi said, it takes time to build a new identity and at some point in time this has to happen.
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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This was always going to be a transitional season and anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt understand football and this club. I just want a top 4 finish this season and QF in CL.
Are YOU sure you understand this club? :lol:

Juve of all teams having, by design, a "transitional" season lol.

Our primary objective this season is winning 10th in a row. That's been Agnelli's objective for years.
 

il brutto

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Jun 6, 2015
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It'll be interesting to see whether the top leagues stay this unpredictable in terms of results for the duration of this season. The short pre-season and the congested schedule seem to have levelled the playing field by quite a bit. The fact that many top teams are currently going through a rebuild might still be the biggest single cause for this though. Madrid, Barca and Juve are all currently trying rejuvenate their squads.

For all the reasons I mentioned above I'm personally not expecting us to play scintillating football week in week out this early in his tenure. However we do need to learn how to get results even in those games where the performances aren't quite up to scratch. Keeping it tight at the back usually goes a long way in that regard.
 

IlCapitano

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Dec 16, 2012
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Pirlo is an absolute rookie, he had ZERO coaching experience before this season, so I think that's an unfair comparison to coaches like Tuchel and particularly Sarri, who had 30 years of trial and error before he ended up at Juve. Lampard at least cut his teeth in the Championship at Derby, which is a very testing league where you learn fast.

It's also worth remembering that this year there was almost no pre-season, he's had very little time to even work on his ideas on the training ground. For a rookie coach I can't think of a more difficult season in the history of at least modern football to start your coaching career.

That said, Juve is Juve, everyone knew this when he was appointed. There is no lowering of standards, but he is not the god of football, you can't generate experience and knowledge out of thin air. He's learning on the job and mistakes will be made.
He's a Juventus manager. That sets the standard, not years of experience or age. If he wasn't ready he shouldn't have been hired/accepted the job.

Pre-season argument is overblown. Yes he didn't have the length of the usual preseason (still enough IMO), but he also didn't have to start with full physical preparation because the players just finished the season before so he had the whole time to just prepare his tactics.

He's only had 6 matches and it is very early, but if we're not showing drastic improvement by matches 12-15 then serious questions need to be asked.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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You think he had enough pre-season lol? That's arguing from a very weak position.

Pirlo isn't going to turn down the Juve job. Still doesn't change any of the realities I posted already.
 

IlCapitano

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Dec 16, 2012
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You think he had enough pre-season lol? That's arguing from a very weak position.

Pirlo isn't going to turn down the Juve job. Still doesn't change any of the realities I posted already.
Not enough in normal circumstances where he had to prepare the team both physically and tactically, but considering they were physically prepared from the soon finished season and he only had tactical preparations to worry about yeah. It's not ideal but certainly not enough to be an excuse for not beating Verona and Crotone. And as I said, it's still early, we'll see in a month or two how we look.

Idc about what he is or isn't going to do. Bernardeschi wasn't going to reject Juve yet nobody gives him a pass for that (rightfully so). You're judged to Juventus standard, not compared to someone or something else outside of that.
 

Snobist

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Apr 16, 2017
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Last night 26 shots on goal (2 crossbars (Cuad, Dybala), 6 on target. Several great chances for Berna, Morata x2, Kulu, Dybala, etc. Besides a goal, that came from our mistake, what other great chance did Verona create? 6 shots in total, 2 on target. Possession 62:38. Doesnt look like we were dominated. At times they pressed well but once we would get past it, it looked like we could score every single time. They left acres of space between midfield and defense, which unfortunately we didnt take advantage of.

Does anyone recall our game against Frosinone several years back? Absolutely dreadful performance, then against Sassuolo when Buffon and Chiellini told everyone in the locker room after the match that we are playing like shit, etc... calma
And how did we do vs Roma and Crotone. We were lucky Napoli didnt travel.
 

PedroFlu

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Sep 20, 2011
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good point, except arthur's defensive contribution: he actually had 5 tackles and 2 cleared balls, and won 6/6 duels. offensively, he offered basically nothing unfortunately.
Maybe it isnt on him. I Just feel the team is more exposed than it should be on counters, too much space between mid and defense.

And I have the impression he's a bit heavy to cover too much ground defensively, at least right now.

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Not sure why everyone is saying we play with a back 3. Danilo was LB, Cuads was RB/RWB

In defence it's 4 at the back, in attack it's 3 at the back. Like any normal back 4 where one fullback pushes up while the other stays back.
The 3 CB build up with the ball shows problems specially when countered, since both wbs play quite advanced.

Overall I just feel theres a non usual lack of sync on defensive positioning. The first reason that occurs to me is the non usual offensive shape. Im no expert though, its more of a guess
 
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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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Hes also missing his best attacking player Ronaldo for 3 games now.

And if that's not enough we are missing our best CB de ligt all games.

This team will be a lot different when you have two match winning players in your team.

On a side note everyone here losing their mind over the results would legit kill themselves if they were liverpool fans.





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