Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (45 Viewers)

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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Salary cap :tup: , transfer restrictions, etc... Out of all possibilities they chose to base their model of FFP on P&L. Its just useless when you take Arab owners into consideration and their almost infinite resources. They absolutely destroyed any kind of fair competition and inflated the market, which in turn made clubs go further in debt to stay relevant.
Lets just say UEFA is a terrible organization with no foresight and a middle man that sucks in large amount of money for little to no contributions
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Bayern will come around, imo it's a fait accompli judging from the words of UEFA, there's no going back. More teams will be added by summer time as things settle. I am excited tbh i think this will take a lot of power from people who have made football worse over the years: uefa officials, agents, and some players. The owners will be able to present the product the consumer wants, not some intricate pyramid system that allows for money laundering and kickbacks.
Yes, I agree with you when you say there is a lot of leeching and UEFA and FIFA are not set up correctly.

But that doesn't mean this is the only way.

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DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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Bayern will come around, imo it's a fait accompli judging from the words of UEFA, there's no going back. More teams will be added by summer time as things settle. I am excited tbh i think this will take a lot of power from people who have made football worse over the years: uefa officials, agents, and some players. The owners will be able to present the product the consumer wants, not some intricate pyramid system that allows for money laundering and kickbacks.
Idk, could be, but not sure.

"FC Bayern did not participate in the planning of the Super League. We are convinced that the current system in football guarantees a serious basis. FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe that they will help to develop the European football"

"I do not believe that the Super League will solve the financial problems of those clubs (caused by Corona). Rather, all clubs in Europe should work in solidarity to ensure that the cost structure, in particular player salaries and the fees for the consultants, is more orientated based on the clubs income."


That's Rummenigge. Dortmund agree 100%
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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...all clubs in Europe should work in solidarity to ensure that the cost structure, in particular player salaries and the fees for the consultants, is more orientated based on the clubs income."
this is actually a good point, but uefa never wanted to introduce a salary cap and never regulated agent fees, so i wouldn't bet my house on uefa giving a helping hand this time either :boh:
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Idk, could be, but not sure.

"FC Bayern did not participate in the planning of the Super League. We are convinced that the current system in football guarantees a serious basis. FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe that they will help to develop the European football"

"I do not believe that the Super League will solve the financial problems of those clubs (caused by Corona). Rather, all clubs in Europe should work in solidarity to ensure that the cost structure, in particular player salaries and the fees for the consultants, is more orientated based on the clubs income."

That's Rummenigge. Dortmund agree 100%

Rummenigga left the door open with this statement, they can always come back and say we got a chance to sit with the SL and they gave us the following guarantees which addressed our initial concerns.
Also as i said one of the things that got me sold on this is an owner centered org will effectively tackle excessive player and agent power.
 

AriG

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Feb 17, 2019
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Another reason to celebrate the new competition... This pile of rubbish:


I get that guy. An average fan won't have the money to go and travel to Milan, or Madrid and so on but the existence of this new league is not the problem. The problem is wealth distribution so an average fan can travel to Milan, Madrid and see his favorite club once in a while. Maybe learn about, other cultures as well, drink foreign beer, wine, fuck some prostitutes.

Remember kids, always vote commie.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
Idk, could be, but not sure.

"FC Bayern did not participate in the planning of the Super League. We are convinced that the current system in football guarantees a serious basis. FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe that they will help to develop the European football"

"I do not believe that the Super League will solve the financial problems of those clubs (caused by Corona). Rather, all clubs in Europe should work in solidarity to ensure that the cost structure, in particular player salaries and the fees for the consultants, is more orientated based on the clubs income."


That's Rummenigge. Dortmund agree 100%
IMO the current CL has three big problems:
1) with the revenue gap so big, the group stage is pointless in half the groups (f.e. this season groups A, C, E and G). even further, winning the group hardly guarantees you a weaker opponent, which makes it even more pointless.
2) there are too many teams which brings down the overall quality of the tournament. If you look at the 16 teams that exited the group stage this season in CL, only Inter, Shakhtar, Ajax and United are teams I'd consider tuning in for as a neutral, so you have 12 teams that globally no one cares about, between them they have maybe 12 players the average fan has heard about, maybe even less.
3) even though it is true that there are too many teams, still some of the biggest teams in the continent are not qualifying for CL due to competition in bigger leagues being a lot more fierce. the Atalanta's and Lazio's making the CL over Milan is not the problem, both had a fun run in CL this season, Midtyland and Krasnodar making the CL over Milan is the problem.

The CL reforms might fix the first problem (even though I find the proposed format very strange), but they do nothing to fix the 2nd and 3rd, they actually make it worse by adding extra 4 irrelevant teams. The SL format may not be ideal (hardly anything is), but for me it gets a lot closer to solving those problems.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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I get that guy. An average fan won't have the money to go and travel to Milan, or Madrid and so on but the existence of this new league is not the problem. The problem is wealth distribution so an average fan can travel to Milan, Madrid and see his favorite club once in a while. Maybe learn about, other cultures as well, drink foreign beer, wine, fuck some prostitutes.

Remember kids, always vote commie.
the clubs can pay their fans to travel, trickle down baby!
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,714
IMO the current CL has three big problems:
1) with the revenue gap so big, the group stage is pointless in half the groups (f.e. this season groups A, C, E and G). even further, winning the group hardly guarantees you a weaker opponent, which makes it even more pointless.
2) there are too many teams which brings down the overall quality of the tournament. If you look at the 16 teams that exited the group stage this season in CL, only Inter, Shakhtar, Ajax and United are teams I'd consider tuning in for as a neutral, so you have 12 teams that globally no one cares about, between them they have maybe 12 players the average fan has heard about, maybe even less.
3) even though it is true that there are too many teams, still some of the biggest teams in the continent are not qualifying for CL due to competition in bigger leagues being a lot more fierce. the Atalanta's and Lazio's making the CL over Milan is not the problem, both had a fun run in CL this season, Midtyland and Krasnodar making the CL over Milan is the problem.

The CL reforms might fix the first problem (even though I find the proposed format very strange), but they do nothing to fix the 2nd and 3rd, they actually make it worse by adding extra 4 irrelevant teams. The SL format may not be ideal (hardly anything is), but for me it gets a lot closer to solving those problems.
the combination of 2) and 3): people simply doesn't care about cl anymore until the final stages of the competition. clubs play too many irrelevant matches. (and there's also the europa league, a completely irrelevant competition in itself.)

and what @DS8_Montero said earlier is important too: risk isn't rewarded for 99% of the clubs.

a 2-division cl with a couple of permanent members (like the breakout teams, minus spurs, arsenal, plus bayern and psg) and a tv deal overhaul could have probably saved cl. the elite keeps the cl interesting on the long term, not the odd runs by underdogs like ajax 2 seasons ago.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
the combination of 2) and 3): people simply doesn't care about cl anymore until the final stages of the competition. clubs play too many irrelevant matches. (and there's also the europa league, a completely irrelevant competition in itself.)

and what @DS8_Montero said earlier is important too: risk isn't rewarded for 99% of the clubs.

a 2-division cl with a couple of permanent members (like the breakout teams, minus spurs, arsenal, plus bayern and psg) and a tv deal overhaul could have probably saved cl. the elite keeps the cl interesting on the long term, not the odd runs by underdogs like ajax 2 seasons ago.
as long as CL is administered by UEFA, a democratic organization pandering to the needs of the 55 member countries as equally as possible, those changes won't happen. even if half of those 55 countries haven't had a single CL groupstage appearance for decades and 3/4 of them haven't had a knockout CL appearance for decades.
 

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