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@Cronios,
Heh,I can't say I didn't expect something like that.
It's hard for people to admit that our team is not capable of winning this or next Scudetto and I'm one of them.I know Inter has stronger team but I don't want them to have it so easy and I want us to fight until they win it officialy.
Our boards 5 year plan was realistic,IMO.It's not like we are bad right now and even you said it.I see your point and I agree with the essence of it but it's that bad for me.We must plan for future,I agree,but we did not throw our money on Mellberg or Grygera for example because they were both free agents when we bought them.Wages are something else but it's not like they get much anyway.
Look,buying Grygera was not so good as we've seen his performances BUT we didn't have any other choice back then,really.Nedved said we should get and we did...pretty much he failed to impress but we couldn't get anyone else.Perfect example was Motta's move to Roma this January,we missed him but you see,I don't even think we were after him.Signing Mellberg was not world class signing and people knew that already but we needed him and we will still need him.He's average and he can help us out when our defenders pick up some injury.He can cover both sides so that's another reason we got him.I can't and I won't say it's a failure because I think our defense is weak and you know Legro is not getting any younger.Still,you're pointing out on media talks...yeah they said we can buy him for some low money but they also said Aston Villa wants to keep him till the end of the season.Personally I don't think it was possible to do so and same goes for Motta who was "very close" to us.Looks like he very good for Roma but we didn't want or even better,we could not get him.I just want to slam media,and all their bullshit that was and still is linked with us.
I respect you too but you're taking this a bit harsh on me.I didn't ignore anything...I just thought where I can make myself clear.Saying you would want 4 new defenders was just the essence of what I meant.
Out of all transfers I was not so happy when we got Poulsen.We clearly wanted a CM someone who's creative and we were linked with likes of Xabi etc. but we couldn't get him and we got stuck with him.I didn't like that transfer but yet again I don't see it that bad.Zanetti was/is injury prone and as you know we couldn't sell Tiago in the last days of transfer market.Poulsen was supposed to jump in instead of Tiago but everything went wrong and Tiago didn't want to move.I guess we planned to bench him and use Poulsen instead but Tiago played very good this season as our board couldn't probably expect.Now as we've seen tonight,Poulsen can come in handy and help us.
Andrade's injury problems were well known and you're right that was a mistake but we couldn't really pick in the last minutes.We lost Pepe to Real and we took a gamble with Andrade who sadly,proved some posters here right and got himself a new injury.Tiago can't be blamed here.I was one of those who always defended Tiago where he failed to impress a year ago but he did get his chance.He just rulled it and it seems it was just time needed for him to start playing at his prime.
He will not accept him mistakes,maybe he knows he did something wrong but he won't say anything to media and by saying that I don't think he will quit just like that.In fact I think he will prove many people wrong this summer when he buys some great players.
It's not just transfer policy,we just had to do something like that and I will say it again,we just couldn't buy any defender...not even this winter where we were linked ala goal.com with some players.Motta was "ours" but he ended in Rome.
I will remember it but you will praise Secco one day,I know you will.
Secco and our board made some mistakes I agree but I can't go that far by trying to slam some good moves.We have many problems in our team but it has been two years since we came back.This summer I expect us to spend ~45mln euros and as you know it's not possible to cover all positions with it but look,
Buffon
Eboue-Chiellini-Criscito-Molinaro
Camo-Sissoko-Marchisio-Silva
Trezeguet-Del Piero
By add just those two we will be much stronger that we are now and this will require "just" ~30mln euros.If we manage to sell someone we might buy someone else but even know you can expect something like this.It's a possibility for us to get someone like Floccari instead of Iaquinta and Jankovic for midfield but it will help us.Those "bad" transfers will help us,by making our second team stronger,much stronger than the one we have right now.
Manninger
Grygera-Mellberg-Legro-De Ceglie
Poulsen-Tiago-Jankovic
Amauri-Trez-Giovinco
It's just an example how we'll get a lot when this season finishes.It's at least what I think.Now,I know you won't agree with a lot of it but it's pointless to argue about it now...we just don't agree on our transfer policy or our future signings.
I might be wrong,but I think Secco will prove some people wrong...he's still learning and not our mistakes because he already "pulled" some very good transfers.Getting Sissoko for that amout of money,Manninger who's damn good and Amauri who's freakin' beast are just examples to follow or at least I hope that will.
Heh,I can't say I didn't expect something like that.
It's hard for people to admit that our team is not capable of winning this or next Scudetto and I'm one of them.I know Inter has stronger team but I don't want them to have it so easy and I want us to fight until they win it officialy.
Our boards 5 year plan was realistic,IMO.It's not like we are bad right now and even you said it.I see your point and I agree with the essence of it but it's that bad for me.We must plan for future,I agree,but we did not throw our money on Mellberg or Grygera for example because they were both free agents when we bought them.Wages are something else but it's not like they get much anyway.
Look,buying Grygera was not so good as we've seen his performances BUT we didn't have any other choice back then,really.Nedved said we should get and we did...pretty much he failed to impress but we couldn't get anyone else.Perfect example was Motta's move to Roma this January,we missed him but you see,I don't even think we were after him.Signing Mellberg was not world class signing and people knew that already but we needed him and we will still need him.He's average and he can help us out when our defenders pick up some injury.He can cover both sides so that's another reason we got him.I can't and I won't say it's a failure because I think our defense is weak and you know Legro is not getting any younger.Still,you're pointing out on media talks...yeah they said we can buy him for some low money but they also said Aston Villa wants to keep him till the end of the season.Personally I don't think it was possible to do so and same goes for Motta who was "very close" to us.Looks like he very good for Roma but we didn't want or even better,we could not get him.I just want to slam media,and all their bullshit that was and still is linked with us.
I respect you too but you're taking this a bit harsh on me.I didn't ignore anything...I just thought where I can make myself clear.Saying you would want 4 new defenders was just the essence of what I meant.
Out of all transfers I was not so happy when we got Poulsen.We clearly wanted a CM someone who's creative and we were linked with likes of Xabi etc. but we couldn't get him and we got stuck with him.I didn't like that transfer but yet again I don't see it that bad.Zanetti was/is injury prone and as you know we couldn't sell Tiago in the last days of transfer market.Poulsen was supposed to jump in instead of Tiago but everything went wrong and Tiago didn't want to move.I guess we planned to bench him and use Poulsen instead but Tiago played very good this season as our board couldn't probably expect.Now as we've seen tonight,Poulsen can come in handy and help us.
Andrade's injury problems were well known and you're right that was a mistake but we couldn't really pick in the last minutes.We lost Pepe to Real and we took a gamble with Andrade who sadly,proved some posters here right and got himself a new injury.Tiago can't be blamed here.I was one of those who always defended Tiago where he failed to impress a year ago but he did get his chance.He just rulled it and it seems it was just time needed for him to start playing at his prime.
He will not accept him mistakes,maybe he knows he did something wrong but he won't say anything to media and by saying that I don't think he will quit just like that.In fact I think he will prove many people wrong this summer when he buys some great players.
It's not just transfer policy,we just had to do something like that and I will say it again,we just couldn't buy any defender...not even this winter where we were linked ala goal.com with some players.Motta was "ours" but he ended in Rome.
I will remember it but you will praise Secco one day,I know you will.
Secco and our board made some mistakes I agree but I can't go that far by trying to slam some good moves.We have many problems in our team but it has been two years since we came back.This summer I expect us to spend ~45mln euros and as you know it's not possible to cover all positions with it but look,
Buffon
Eboue-Chiellini-Criscito-Molinaro
Camo-Sissoko-Marchisio-Silva
Trezeguet-Del Piero
By add just those two we will be much stronger that we are now and this will require "just" ~30mln euros.If we manage to sell someone we might buy someone else but even know you can expect something like this.It's a possibility for us to get someone like Floccari instead of Iaquinta and Jankovic for midfield but it will help us.Those "bad" transfers will help us,by making our second team stronger,much stronger than the one we have right now.
Manninger
Grygera-Mellberg-Legro-De Ceglie
Poulsen-Tiago-Jankovic
Amauri-Trez-Giovinco
It's just an example how we'll get a lot when this season finishes.It's at least what I think.Now,I know you won't agree with a lot of it but it's pointless to argue about it now...we just don't agree on our transfer policy or our future signings.
I might be wrong,but I think Secco will prove some people wrong...he's still learning and not our mistakes because he already "pulled" some very good transfers.Getting Sissoko for that amout of money,Manninger who's damn good and Amauri who's freakin' beast are just examples to follow or at least I hope that will.
To explain more stuff.
With all the hate for Molinaro, if someone can tell me a viable target that is available and Juventus class for 20 million(or any amount if you want), I will gladly say that the board's decision to rely on him is bad.
Reserves are important too. The reason why Man U can stay at the top is because they have a strong reserve squad. No one seems to remember that they do not come free too? With all the money saved by the free transfers, we can get more targets in the years to come. By the looks of it, our reserves still have many years to offer, so we do not need to invest in more reserves.
With all the hate for Molinaro, if someone can tell me a viable target that is available and Juventus class for 20 million(or any amount if you want), I will gladly say that the board's decision to rely on him is bad.
Reserves are important too. The reason why Man U can stay at the top is because they have a strong reserve squad. No one seems to remember that they do not come free too? With all the money saved by the free transfers, we can get more targets in the years to come. By the looks of it, our reserves still have many years to offer, so we do not need to invest in more reserves.
Well even Chiellini might choke.
So far Criscito had a pretty good season with Genoa and he deserves one more chance.Molinaro has improved but I don't think he's good just yet...anyway,I highly doubt we'll make a move for some LB this year.Eboue could be risky but I don't think there's any better option available.For someone else we'd have to spend at least 12mln euros.Marchisio is a hell of player and he's ready to be starter...he's not a kid anymore.Silva might choke?Lol,well you can say that for everyone.He'd be Nedved's heir and world class signing so I wouldn't really count on him to choke.
Trezeguet is not really injury prone and Del Piero should still play and it's not like they'd play every minute,we have Amauri.
Only Camo is a vaild critic IMO.I'm aware of his injuries...Again,don't know why but I think we'll have Bosko next season who will play on the right side instead of Marchionni.
So far Criscito had a pretty good season with Genoa and he deserves one more chance.Molinaro has improved but I don't think he's good just yet...anyway,I highly doubt we'll make a move for some LB this year.Eboue could be risky but I don't think there's any better option available.For someone else we'd have to spend at least 12mln euros.Marchisio is a hell of player and he's ready to be starter...he's not a kid anymore.Silva might choke?Lol,well you can say that for everyone.He'd be Nedved's heir and world class signing so I wouldn't really count on him to choke.
Trezeguet is not really injury prone and Del Piero should still play and it's not like they'd play every minute,we have Amauri.
Only Camo is a vaild critic IMO.I'm aware of his injuries...Again,don't know why but I think we'll have Bosko next season who will play on the right side instead of Marchionni.
Short term material: Del Piero, Trezeguet, Legro.
Substitute material: Mellberg, Poulsen, Tiago, Molinaro, De Ceglie, Iaquinta, Marchionni.
Long term material: Buffon, Chiellini, Sissoko, Marchisio, Giovinco, Amauri
6 players we can count on in the long term. There's a lot of work cut out for us! Meaning we'll at least need two summers to get a team of seriously high quality. Even more considering we'll spend probably most of our money on a Nedved replacement.
Positions that are in most dire need a fix - marked with X. * means that it could be better
Buffon
X Legrottaglie* Chiellini Molinaro*
X Sissoko Marchisio* X
Amauri/Trez Del Piero
Pretty obvious where the problems lies. Solutions lies in a change of system or in bringing in 4 new flank players. The latter probably being impossible, as we'll get at most 2 (being a Nedved replacement and perhaps one rightsided fullback), certainly if we actually get players of certain quality.
Substitute material: Mellberg, Poulsen, Tiago, Molinaro, De Ceglie, Iaquinta, Marchionni.
Long term material: Buffon, Chiellini, Sissoko, Marchisio, Giovinco, Amauri
6 players we can count on in the long term. There's a lot of work cut out for us! Meaning we'll at least need two summers to get a team of seriously high quality. Even more considering we'll spend probably most of our money on a Nedved replacement.
Positions that are in most dire need a fix - marked with X. * means that it could be better
Buffon
X Legrottaglie* Chiellini Molinaro*
X Sissoko Marchisio* X
Amauri/Trez Del Piero
Pretty obvious where the problems lies. Solutions lies in a change of system or in bringing in 4 new flank players. The latter probably being impossible, as we'll get at most 2 (being a Nedved replacement and perhaps one rightsided fullback), certainly if we actually get players of certain quality.
Dom, you forgot Camoranesi!
What we need is a replacement for Nedved and MOST of all fullbacks. We play a system, where our fullbacks should be able to create danger on the wing. If they don't do taht, our play becomes slow. Thats our problem at the moment.
Grygera or Mellberg are not what our right side needs.
On the left wing, I see a lot potential in De Ceglie and also Molinaro has shown some good signs, although he still should be on the bench.
So either Zebina will help, when he is ever getting fit again, or we will have to get another right back.
-----------------------Buffon---------------------
Eboue-----Legrottaglie---Chiellini---De Ceglie
Camoranesi---Sissoko---Marchisio---D. Silva
---------------Del Piero---Amauri--------------
Grygera, Mellberg, Criscito, Molinaro
Marchionni, Tiago, Poulsen, Giovinco
Trezeguet and CassanoD)
What we need is a replacement for Nedved and MOST of all fullbacks. We play a system, where our fullbacks should be able to create danger on the wing. If they don't do taht, our play becomes slow. Thats our problem at the moment.
Grygera or Mellberg are not what our right side needs.
On the left wing, I see a lot potential in De Ceglie and also Molinaro has shown some good signs, although he still should be on the bench.
So either Zebina will help, when he is ever getting fit again, or we will have to get another right back.
-----------------------Buffon---------------------
Eboue-----Legrottaglie---Chiellini---De Ceglie
Camoranesi---Sissoko---Marchisio---D. Silva
---------------Del Piero---Amauri--------------
Grygera, Mellberg, Criscito, Molinaro
Marchionni, Tiago, Poulsen, Giovinco
Trezeguet and Cassano
D)
Душан;1915145 said:
He didn't forget him.He's just aware of his injuries and clearly Marchionni is not capable of covering that spot.
Another right back I say.I can't reley on Zebina anymore...he's like Andrade.
Another right back I say.I can't reley on Zebina anymore...he's like Andrade.
Eboue could solve the problem! He can play on the wing in midfield too.
So basically you approve of only Gigi, Giorgio and Momo out of the 11?
Tough critic
Tough critic
No I definetly approve of the Silva transfer and im all for bringing Criscito back and I love Marchiso.I just dont think the Criscito is ready to be a starter yet though I could be wrong and will have to trust Dules judgment cos I havent seen much of him this season.
Dusan i am not accusing the transfer of Grygera, but getting him and Salih, as long as we got still Zebina, should mean that we are covered back there. Now since none of them is good enough to be a part of a competitive team, we should bring one who will be good enough to be included, in our long term plans/schemes of building a top quality team.
Soon or later we will bring a quality player, but we brought Salih and Mellberg AND Grygera, which is not bad move individually, but per total.
Thats what i am saying, being free none of them was a bad move individually,
since they were free, could theoretically offer a tactical advantage now and being use as a sub in the future! But adding all 2 of them, is where it starts getting wrong.
You have been repeatedly missing this point! Which is extremely important, because it demonstrates the lack of vision.
If we consider what we already have, what we needed back then and what we are going to need in the future. Signing Mellberg, instead of a top quality starter, was not a wise move.
The same situation lies in the CB position, we already had, Chiellini, Legro, Andrade, young Criscito and the odd loaned player. Those players were good for our short term plans, but apart from Chiellini, they should only be subs in the long run. Whats the point of adding one more sub then (Mellberg) ?? What does he adds more in our long term plans?? We already have back up solutions?
We are bringing an extra sub, only to off load another sub, this year??
Or we just dont ever care to further upgrade our team, over there?
If we didnt already had Legro, Grygera, Andrade and Zebina, signing Mellberg would make a perfect sense. But keeping them and add someone who can be any more useful than a sub in future, was a strategical mistake. It was a priority we negletted to follow/fix. And we have instead chosen to invest elsewhere!
For ex, we should bring someone at Mellberg's quality, for free to add DM depth and use the money we spent on Poulsen to buy a starter RB, permanently fixing that issue!!!
Considering our long term plans? the 5 year plan will expire in 2 years, do you consider that we will have a competitive team by then? Keep in mind that by then we will have to replace, Neddy, DP, Treze and Camo, besides the places we are full of mediocrity. I was expecting to fil the empty slots first, the ones who are marked with x at Dom's formation and then gradually replace our champions as they retire. This year we should have started adding more starters! But we only added 2-3 more subs, thats valuable time and money wasted.
Our board considered that we should rather choose quantity over quality then and sacrifice our long term plans. But since we added so many back up players, it is now much more difficult to add new starters.
We have already wasted valuable time and we are bound to repeat the same mistakes!
If we were instead adding 2 starters, for that long term competitive team, since we got in serie A, we would be ready by the end of those 5 years. Almiron, Tiago, Grygera, Andrade, Poulsen, Mellberg, will not be starters in the long term competitive team. I would rather have two more starters like Amauri (good transfer, bad timing) and Sissoko instead! And use youngsters like Marchisio, Giovinco and De Ceglie more extensively till we add more starters!
Thats what i mean by wasting time and money for subs!
We can only field 11 at once! We have now 2 players for every position, but our team is not balanced, because there is a great gap of quality between some of our starters and subs. There are places in our team which are stacked up with top quality material and we are forced to sacrifice top quality players on the bench, because we cant field them all together(Attack)
One the other hand, we have no real alternatives to absolutely mediocre starters
(wing-backs) and we are forced to field them, no matter what!
I insist that we do need to invest more in our defense! Now is the time that we do need to raise the overall quality of our starter team material.
The most logic thing to do, is by replacing the weakest links, or the players who have little to none potential to become a starter, in a future quality team!
We have to think ahead for a change!
Buffon
X Legrottaglie* Chiellini Molinaro*
X Sissoko Marchisio* X
Amauri/Trez Del Piero
RB x should be bought instead Grygera + keeping Zebina + Mellberg, we should sell Zebina buy one top quality player like (or potentially top like Eboue) and only bring one free player as his sub.
LB i dont even want to discuss this disgusting matter
RM, we should replace Marchionni some long time ago, we have Salih and Ekdall as depth, he should be replaced if not two seasons ago, by the beginning of this season, when we already knew that Camo's fitness condition is far from optimal!
2 less x to worry about could be fixed without any real risks, without any more investment, that the money we already spent, without any real tactical loss of performance or depth, since those player didnt really added much more than our talented youngsters would add, esp with the help of two less x's
We had 2 seasons to replace those x's, but instead we created and fixed one extra x in the midfield and replaced one future x on the attack, while our 4 wing x's are a persistent issue... if the 2 of them would already be fixed, as they should, if they really where our priority. We could fix the other two by the end of the season and already be able to field a competitive squad!!! Thats what i was talking about for the last 2 and 1/2 years!! And then we would only worry about of replacing our champions, as they retire, (meaning 1-2/year) without losing that percentage of quality in our starters formation!!
We were far from optimal up until now, no one can give us time and money we wasted so far, but i hope that we will quit stalling from now on and at least start adding two starters/season!! Thats the least i expect to see!
I dont want to see any more money spent on subs! Bring free players for subs and invest on quality players for starters!
Soon or later we will bring a quality player, but we brought Salih and Mellberg AND Grygera, which is not bad move individually, but per total.
Thats what i am saying, being free none of them was a bad move individually,
since they were free, could theoretically offer a tactical advantage now and being use as a sub in the future! But adding all 2 of them, is where it starts getting wrong.
You have been repeatedly missing this point! Which is extremely important, because it demonstrates the lack of vision.
If we consider what we already have, what we needed back then and what we are going to need in the future. Signing Mellberg, instead of a top quality starter, was not a wise move.
The same situation lies in the CB position, we already had, Chiellini, Legro, Andrade, young Criscito and the odd loaned player. Those players were good for our short term plans, but apart from Chiellini, they should only be subs in the long run. Whats the point of adding one more sub then (Mellberg) ?? What does he adds more in our long term plans?? We already have back up solutions?
We are bringing an extra sub, only to off load another sub, this year??
Or we just dont ever care to further upgrade our team, over there?
If we didnt already had Legro, Grygera, Andrade and Zebina, signing Mellberg would make a perfect sense. But keeping them and add someone who can be any more useful than a sub in future, was a strategical mistake. It was a priority we negletted to follow/fix. And we have instead chosen to invest elsewhere!
For ex, we should bring someone at Mellberg's quality, for free to add DM depth and use the money we spent on Poulsen to buy a starter RB, permanently fixing that issue!!!
Considering our long term plans? the 5 year plan will expire in 2 years, do you consider that we will have a competitive team by then? Keep in mind that by then we will have to replace, Neddy, DP, Treze and Camo, besides the places we are full of mediocrity. I was expecting to fil the empty slots first, the ones who are marked with x at Dom's formation and then gradually replace our champions as they retire. This year we should have started adding more starters! But we only added 2-3 more subs, thats valuable time and money wasted.
Our board considered that we should rather choose quantity over quality then and sacrifice our long term plans. But since we added so many back up players, it is now much more difficult to add new starters.
We have already wasted valuable time and we are bound to repeat the same mistakes!
If we were instead adding 2 starters, for that long term competitive team, since we got in serie A, we would be ready by the end of those 5 years. Almiron, Tiago, Grygera, Andrade, Poulsen, Mellberg, will not be starters in the long term competitive team. I would rather have two more starters like Amauri (good transfer, bad timing) and Sissoko instead! And use youngsters like Marchisio, Giovinco and De Ceglie more extensively till we add more starters!
Thats what i mean by wasting time and money for subs!
We can only field 11 at once! We have now 2 players for every position, but our team is not balanced, because there is a great gap of quality between some of our starters and subs. There are places in our team which are stacked up with top quality material and we are forced to sacrifice top quality players on the bench, because we cant field them all together(Attack)
One the other hand, we have no real alternatives to absolutely mediocre starters
(wing-backs) and we are forced to field them, no matter what!
I insist that we do need to invest more in our defense! Now is the time that we do need to raise the overall quality of our starter team material.
The most logic thing to do, is by replacing the weakest links, or the players who have little to none potential to become a starter, in a future quality team!
We have to think ahead for a change!
Buffon
X Legrottaglie* Chiellini Molinaro*
X Sissoko Marchisio* X
Amauri/Trez Del Piero
RB x should be bought instead Grygera + keeping Zebina + Mellberg, we should sell Zebina buy one top quality player like (or potentially top like Eboue) and only bring one free player as his sub.
LB i dont even want to discuss this disgusting matter
RM, we should replace Marchionni some long time ago, we have Salih and Ekdall as depth, he should be replaced if not two seasons ago, by the beginning of this season, when we already knew that Camo's fitness condition is far from optimal!
2 less x to worry about could be fixed without any real risks, without any more investment, that the money we already spent, without any real tactical loss of performance or depth, since those player didnt really added much more than our talented youngsters would add, esp with the help of two less x's
We had 2 seasons to replace those x's, but instead we created and fixed one extra x in the midfield and replaced one future x on the attack, while our 4 wing x's are a persistent issue... if the 2 of them would already be fixed, as they should, if they really where our priority. We could fix the other two by the end of the season and already be able to field a competitive squad!!! Thats what i was talking about for the last 2 and 1/2 years!! And then we would only worry about of replacing our champions, as they retire, (meaning 1-2/year) without losing that percentage of quality in our starters formation!!
We were far from optimal up until now, no one can give us time and money we wasted so far, but i hope that we will quit stalling from now on and at least start adding two starters/season!! Thats the least i expect to see!
I dont want to see any more money spent on subs! Bring free players for subs and invest on quality players for starters!
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