Analysis of Summer Transfer requirements (22 Viewers)

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Red

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We just have to hope that the management are true to their word.

They have said that is previous season they have focused on adding depth to the squad. There is now enough depth, so they are going to focus on adding real quality to the team.

They have also said the finances are available to go for players who can add quality to the team.

:xfinger:
 

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Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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Adding quality is not enough, if they add Cassano and someone like Montolivo, they have added quality, but not where we need it...

What we need is someone much better than Downing!!
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Considering we have 45mil to spend
Interesting info. I didn't really follow the news lately so it's the first time i hear.
Did Secco say this, Cron?

And i wonder if this is "cash money", without counting some potential sales. If 45m is the total money we're planning to spend during the summer, then it's not that much. But if it's cash money to which we can add the money gained from sales/co-ownerships/loans, then we can do some good things in the summer.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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I don't think that number is true. We are still in Champions league, if we go through we will have more cash.
 

only-juve

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We just have to hope that the management are true to their word.

They have said that is previous season they have focused on adding depth to the squad. There is now enough depth, so they are going to focus on adding real quality to the team.

They have also said the finances are available to go for players who can add quality to the team.

:xfinger:
I don't doubt that the management are true to their words (bringing quality players next summer) but the real question is, can they sign those quality players ?!

They seem to target quality players at first every year but end up with avarege players. First summer we were after millito and ended up with andrade. We seemed to want ivanovic put couldn't sign him and finally last season we were after xavi alonso but ended up with poulsen istead. Thats whats worrying.

I don't think we're short of money but we're short of experience in the "transfer market"...
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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Interesting info. I didn't really follow the news lately so it's the first time i hear.
Did Secco say this, Cron?

And i wonder if this is "cash money", without counting some potential sales. If 45m is the total money we're planning to spend during the summer, then it's not that much. But if it's cash money to which we can add the money gained from sales/co-ownerships/loans, then we can do some good things in the summer.
Cash money of course, but expect as to make any serious profit from possible sales.
Secco can sell players, as well as Buffon defends penalties... and the co ownership deals he makes have a tendency to hurt us rather than help us,
(esp the ones that involves Fiorentina, if you have Almiron in mind)

Of course the 45 mil sum is speculative, we can never learn this sum officially for more than a million reasons:wink:
But there was a announced sum of 200mil for 4 years, which happen to be around the average sum we spend every season.
45 mil is the most realistic sum we are bound to spend. Even if we have more money available, i dont think that we have the will to use more than that.
If we do manage to make more money that, somehow, i do expect even more than the two starters i ve asked!
If we instead choose to use less and fund the stadium with everything we got, then i expect just one to replace Neddy...
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Cash money of course, but expect as to make any serious profit from possible sales.
Secco can sell players, as well as Buffon defends penalties... and the co ownership deals he makes have a tendency to hurt us rather than help us,
(esp the ones that involves Fiorentina, if you have Almiron in mind)
I don't know if you saw this old post of mine, but there you can see that we made 27.8m and 23m eur in the last two years respectively from selling/loaning players.
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1886000&postcount=19470

We still co-own Palladino, Mirante, Lanzafame, Paolucci and Zalayeta. If the teams that have them now decide to keep them then we can get some nice $$$.
We still completely own Almiron, Criscito and Ruben Olivera.
We have players in the A team that could be used in exchange deals to lower the prize of the quality players we'll bring (Iaquinta, Zebina etc), but this could be done only with serie A teams because the teams out of Italy would like cash and they're not interested in exchange deals.

If we do have 45-50m cash, then we can easily get some 15-20 more mil, and that way we could buy 3 quality players with an average price of 20m eur.
 

Enoran

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Nov 3, 2007
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I don't know if you saw this old post of mine, but there you can see that we made 27.8m and 23m eur in the last two years respectively from selling/loaning players.
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1886000&postcount=19470

We still co-own Palladino, Mirante, Lanzafame, Paolucci and Zalayeta. If the teams that have them now decide to keep them then we can get some nice $$$.
We still completely own Almiron, Criscito and Ruben Olivera.
We have players in the A team that could be used in exchange deals to lower the prize of the quality players we'll bring (Iaquinta, Zebina etc), but this could be done only with serie A teams because the teams out of Italy would like cash and they're not interested in exchange deals.

If we do have 45-50m cash, then we can easily get some 15-20 more mil, and that way we could buy 3 quality players with an average price of 20m eur.

I'm pretty much filled with optimism about next season after reading this, Alen :)
Maybe juz maybe we can finally match Inter in regards to quality on paper and overall squad depth. The Juventus aptitude will do the rest.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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We have players in the A team that could be used in exchange deals to lower the prize of the quality players we'll bring (Iaquinta, Zebina etc), but this could be done only with serie A teams because the teams out of Italy would like cash and they're not interested in exchange deals.
Galatasaray desperately need a right back and they have announced that Arda Turan could be sold in summer.Everton and a few minor epl clubs are after him.
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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I don't know if you saw this old post of mine, but there you can see that we made 27.8m and 23m eur in the last two years respectively from selling/loaning players.
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1886000&postcount=19470

We still co-own Palladino, Mirante, Lanzafame, Paolucci and Zalayeta. If the teams that have them now decide to keep them then we can get some nice $$$.
We still completely own Almiron, Criscito and Ruben Olivera.
We have players in the A team that could be used in exchange deals to lower the prize of the quality players we'll bring (Iaquinta, Zebina etc), but this could be done only with serie A teams because the teams out of Italy would like cash and they're not interested in exchange deals.

If we do have 45-50m cash, then we can easily get some 15-20 more mil, and that way we could buy 3 quality players with an average price of 20m eur.
I think i ve missed that, but i ve seen many similar parts of this post fragmented around.
You have done pretty good job on summing them up together!
I feel that we will never going to repeat a 2007/08 transfer season!
At least regarding the quantity of players involved.
Back then we released and sold off a almost half a team. It still hurts me to see the sums involved...
It was a clean up under some certain conditions, i dont expect to see smth like that any time soon, anyway.

Last season, we brilliantly forced Palermo to buy those players from us in the Amauri deal! That would explain half of our income, in just one deal.
The conditions over this particular transfer are not going to repeat either. Esp if we dont buy from a smaller Italian club. I can only see us pulling smth like that, only with Sampdoria at the Cassano deal! But in a lesser extend!
So i expect this kind of income to be reduced at 8-10mil max(unless we sell an "active" team member, someone like Zebina, Almiron, Tiago, Iaq) because Secco has already sold, everything that could be sold.
The amount of contracts we own, have been halved, by the Moggi age...
We will soon run out of bargain chips and this season will rather be the first one, to notice this manifestation.

This extra money (8-10mil), i believe that they have already included them to our transfer plans, from the very birth/conception of our transfer plans. Secco already has a list of whom to offload and he already has in mind the minimum sums of their sale! And the priority of our targets.
The board will authorize him to use a sum, but after considering the possible income first. They will then only add the reminder to reach the amount, they intend to spend!
This factor is potentially important, we will largely spend the average sum (45-50mil), unless a good deal, with 5mil+ adds more cash to our cause!
Smaller deals will be consumed for smaller expenses (like the increase of some salaries, taxes etc) and Secco's tips:)
So far Secco has avoided to offload the players he bought, for far smaller prices, just like he did with the players Moggi had,
because he feels the responsibility for those players!
If he for ex sells Almiron for 2-3 mil, or Tiago for 6-7, he will only have his self to blame! But offloading Mutu for 8mil was rather easy...
It will be interesting to see how he will handle his very own failures, when he will run out of Moggi bargain chips!!
I cant wait to see that outcome!!
Chances are that he will avoid to use them though and therefore our income wont be greatly affected!

PS; Alen, do you have a similar board for our 2006/07 season.
That would further help us to see Secco's vision, in the depth of time...
 

Red

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Galatasaray desperately need a right back and they have announced that Arda Turan could be sold in summer.Everton and a few minor epl clubs are after him.
I've only seen Turan in the Euros in the summer.

As impressive as he was, do you think he is ready to make the step up?
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
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I am nowhere near as convinced about Amauri as many of you seem to be. I don't doubt that he is a decent player, who works hard, and if given the service can score goals, but if Trezeguet was fit, I would rather see him playing than Amuari, if it were a choice between the two of them. Trezeguet has that magical ability to ghost into goal scoring places, making him more prolific. He works half as hard, but is worth more goals in the bank. Its impossible to say for sure who would have done better with the service received this season, but bearing in mind how potent he was at Palermo, and the amount of class goals he scored there, I have been disappointed with Amauri, and would not be scornful of the management were he let go for a similar fee to what we paid for him.
You're not too bright.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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I've only seen Turan in the Euros in the summer.

As impressive as he was, do you think he is ready to make the step up?
he has talent but i am not sure if he is mentally ready to make it in another league.he is doing well in european competitions so far.worth a try,at least he could be a Camo alternative.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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PS; Alen, do you have a similar board for our 2006/07 season.
That would further help us to see Secco's vision, in the depth of time...
I wouldn't have done this normally, but i don't want you to say again how i hate the Greeks, so i'll help you :p

IN
Jean-Alain Boumsong €4.8 m
Matteo Paro €1.0 m (co-ownership resolved in our favor)
Felice Piccolo €0.5 m (co-ownership resolved in our favor)
C. Zanetti, Marchionni - free transfers
Legrottaglie, Palladino, Tudor, Mirante - return from loan
Belardi and Bojinov - loaned to Juve for €0

Total payed for bought players: €6.3 m

OUT:
Zlatan Ibrahimović €24.8m
Emerson €16m
Gianluca Zambrotta €14m
Patrick Vieira €9.5m
Adrian Mutu €8m
Fabio Cannavaro €7m
Lilian Thuram €5m
Loan deals (Bonnefoi, Criscito, Gastaldello, Konko, Rossi, Masiello, Blasi, Chiumiento, Kapo, Gasbarroni, Nocerino, Tacchinardi, Olivera, Sculli, Miccoli, Paolucci etc) circa €7m

Total for sold players: €79.3m

Difference between sold and bought: + €73m
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Simple.

Right-back
Left-back
Center-back
Nedved Replacement

... are top priorities. We can then purchase a Cassano or whomever provided we sure up those positions.
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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I wouldn't have done this normally, but i don't want you to say again how i hate the Greeks, so i'll help you :p

IN
Jean-Alain Boumsong €4.8 m
Matteo Paro €1.0 m (co-ownership resolved in our favor)
Felice Piccolo €0.5 m (co-ownership resolved in our favor)
C. Zanetti, Marchionni - free transfers
Legrottaglie, Palladino, Tudor, Mirante - return from loan
Belardi and Bojinov - loaned to Juve for €0

Total payed for bought players: €6.3 m

OUT:
Zlatan Ibrahimović €24.8m
Emerson €16m
Gianluca Zambrotta €14m
Patrick Vieira €9.5m
Adrian Mutu €8m
Loan deals (Bonnefoi, Criscito, Gastaldello, Konko, Rossi, Masiello, Blasi, Chiumiento, Kapo, Gasbarroni, Nocerino, Tacchinardi, Olivera, Sculli, Miccoli, Paolucci etc) circa €7m

Total for sold players: €79.3m

Difference between sold and bought: + €73m
Fabio Cannavaro €7m
Lilian Thuram €5m
To you happen to have a list with how much we payd for Zlatan, Emerson, Mutu and Vieira?
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
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Simple.

Right-back
Left-back
Center-back
Nedved Replacement

... are top priorities. We can then purchase a Cassano or whomever provided we sure up those positions.
Do you think the funds are available to cover the cost of signing players for all 4 positions?

I personally don't think so, thats why imo you have to prioritize. If you ask me, this is how the priorities should look like:

1. Nedved Replacement
2. Rightback
3. LeftBack
4. A player that would compete with or provide quality cover for Camoranesi, as he is just too injury prone
5. A centerback
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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To you happen to have a list with how much we payd for Zlatan, Emerson, Mutu and Vieira?
Yes

Zlatan €19 m
Vieira £13.7 (at the time it was equal to circa €20m)
We got Mutu for free because he was released from Chelsea
Emerson's transfer was a part-exchange deal. We bought him for €16 m but we sold them Matteo Brighi for €11.5 million (Moggi :D).
 
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