I have to say many of the players we have are squad players not first team starters.
Am I the only one disappointed by Amauri?
Am I the only one disappointed by Amauri?
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That pretty much sums up the problems we have atm. However i have a feeling that the board will not be thinking in the same way. Molinaro and De Ceglie will be there next season, and they will be fighting for that first team spot. I have a bit more faith in Paolo, he has the potential to be starter material if he can improve his defensive game.
The right back is the real problem for me. We don't really have any options there and when grygera slumps he does it bad. I hope Secco is watching that because that is a position where we need options better than what we have.
Another interesting one to monitor in the summer is the Right winger situation. We see it as a problem but will they be on the same line of thinking considering that a lot of money will be spent on neddy's replacement ?
@ Cronios, looking at things from the management's perspective you have to consider the failed experiments in the team as well. Players like Palladino, Nocerino, even Andrade and Almiron were considered part of the plans but have failed miserably. Of course you can't win them all and get them all right.
The right back is the real problem for me. We don't really have any options there and when grygera slumps he does it bad. I hope Secco is watching that because that is a position where we need options better than what we have.
Another interesting one to monitor in the summer is the Right winger situation. We see it as a problem but will they be on the same line of thinking considering that a lot of money will be spent on neddy's replacement ?
@ Cronios, looking at things from the management's perspective you have to consider the failed experiments in the team as well. Players like Palladino, Nocerino, even Andrade and Almiron were considered part of the plans but have failed miserably. Of course you can't win them all and get them all right.
Of all the players you choose to mention, u wrote Amauri? One of our best players this season?
Seriously, take a closer look, if ever he looks bad its because we don't have enough first class players in midfield. He creates chances out of nothing, and that's good for a box striker.
Amauri would walk into Inter, Milan, Roma, Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barca too probably.
You underestimate the importance of his work and game for us this season.
You need to mention Nedved, Gyrgera, Molinaro. Our forward line-up is definitely complete.
Seriously, take a closer look, if ever he looks bad its because we don't have enough first class players in midfield. He creates chances out of nothing, and that's good for a box striker.
Amauri would walk into Inter, Milan, Roma, Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barca too probably.
You underestimate the importance of his work and game for us this season.
You need to mention Nedved, Gyrgera, Molinaro. Our forward line-up is definitely complete.
I did and i understand that, at this particular time we could not avoid such experiments!
Therefore it is essential to maximize our efficiency and minimize our risks!
In order to do so, we should only take some "safe" risks,
using free/cheap players, unproven youngsters/etc, only/mostly as subs.
And spend the bulk of our available resources to starters!!
But we have only done this for Sissoko and thats because we were forced to do so!
It is time to start spending on starters now!!
So far we have only been investing to subs, but we cannot build a top quality team with free players, no one has ever done that and our current "triade" is not exactly, a group of brilliant football managers...
Therefore it is essential to maximize our efficiency and minimize our risks!
In order to do so, we should only take some "safe" risks,
using free/cheap players, unproven youngsters/etc, only/mostly as subs.
And spend the bulk of our available resources to starters!!
But we have only done this for Sissoko and thats because we were forced to do so!
It is time to start spending on starters now!!
So far we have only been investing to subs, but we cannot build a top quality team with free players, no one has ever done that and our current "triade" is not exactly, a group of brilliant football managers...
I am nowhere near as convinced about Amauri as many of you seem to be. I don't doubt that he is a decent player, who works hard, and if given the service can score goals, but if Trezeguet was fit, I would rather see him playing than Amuari, if it were a choice between the two of them. Trezeguet has that magical ability to ghost into goal scoring places, making him more prolific. He works half as hard, but is worth more goals in the bank. Its impossible to say for sure who would have done better with the service received this season, but bearing in mind how potent he was at Palermo, and the amount of class goals he scored there, I have been disappointed with Amauri, and would not be scornful of the management were he let go for a similar fee to what we paid for him.
I don't see how a lack of decent service from the flanks suits Amauri more than a fit Trezeguet...He isn't fit, yet, but if he was...I think Trezeguet's ability to ghost into good positions is down to his wretched work rate. Opposition players get lulled into a false sense of security and after 70 minutes of jogging or walking around, they assume he is dead or dying and not a threat...Amauri, on the other hand, runs like a berserker.
I see Trezeguet as a better play at receiving balls from central midfield, over the top, or through the defence. While he is class with his head, and admittedly less capable of dribbling than Amauri, he still retains, at least in my head, a reputation as one of Europe's finest poachers, often needing only once chance in a game to do the damage.
Within a season, we cant bring 2 new starters, (unless Elkann starts spending) we can only buy two, get a free one and bring back a loaned one.
But we cant expect from the later two to be proved as good as Marchisio, such talents are rare, unless they have Mellberg's age and experience!
I would rather minimize the risks and focus on those two starters!!
Our team is complete quantity wise, unless we sell anyone first (Andrade, Zebina, Tiago, Marchionni, Iaq, Treze) we must focus on finding two quality starters who can help our team today and be a part of a very competitive team tomorrow. That and instead of a new Stendardo/Knezevic, we should bring back Criscito.
I expect no more and no less from our board!
(offloading Zebina/Grygera and bring Eboue for free, atop of the two quality starters and the return of Criscito, would make be Jubilant!)
We should start building the competitive team we were promised,
there is no more reason to stalling and share the available resources to 4 average players. That would postpone the problem for one more year and without no real tactical advantages, since there is no guarantee that those mediocre 4 will help us get any significally better results than the top class 2.
By default we are destined to compete for the CL positions. There is no risk losing them if we buy 2 top class instead of 4 decent players, since the gap between us and the weaker teams, still is bigger, rather than the gap between us and the first. This is where we should start working to...
We need two pair of wingers.Considering we have 45mil to spend and we need 2 players for every space. If we plan to use DC as a LM:
LB: turn Moli into a sub and buy with 10-20mil a top class LB, young enough to last at least 5 years at the highest competitive levels, meaning no older than 25-26.
LM: Use Giovinco as a starter and DC as his sub for more defensive schemes
RB: Turn Grygera into a sub, release Zebina and sign Eboue for free
RM: Execute Marchionni, buy a 20mil RW and keep Camo as his sub, he is injury prone, growing older and we dont really have two promising youngsters to replace him like we have at the left side!
Thats two x's and 2 *'s down (i do trust Marchisio and by the end of the year we will know for sure, besides, we get to keep Tiago, Poulsen, without canceling the money we spent on them)
Or if we use De Ceglie as an LB
LB: We need to trust more DC and give him the necessary time and space to grow at his potential and become a future part of our team, otherwise there is no reason to keep him... That would mean, he should get more time than Moli and focus on honing his defensive skills, if Moli has learned how to defend, so can DC, but with the added bonus that he can offer so much more forwards!
If after 5-7 consecutive games DC proves to be a liability, we can have Moli back, without any risks or expenses.
LM: Sign a top quality LM for 25mil and use Giovinco as his sub
RB: Grygera as a sub, someone like Eboue and hopefully a healthy Zebina!
RM: a 10-15 mil young and promising RM, of Poulsen's quality, to be used as Camo's sub and if proven good eventually to replace him. If not a decent sub(unlike Marchionni) for the future, when Camo retires.
Def an upgrade to our current team and with a potential to resolve the majority of our issues, while taking minimal risks, we can always try to offload Almiron(5-8mil), Andrade (2-4 mil), Zebina(3-6mil) and one between Legro or Mellberg (5-6mil) and use that sum to sign a reliable young CB like Felipe(13-15mil). Chiellini, Felipe, Legro or Mellberg and Criscito look good enough!
And now a tragic, worst case scenario, Secco trademark/pattern :
Yuppiieee, we have 45 mil to spend,
time to add one more expensive forward!!:melayyanandmessi:
It doesnt matter if our defense isnt exactly... world class, Moli+Grygera are trying hard enough and our DMs will help them, we have to get sure we are going to score more goals than we concede.
It doesnt matter if we conceded some, its better for the spectacle, the new age Juve is an offensive team,
(thats what the board ordered, CR only uses a defensive 4-4-2 with 2 DMs and 2defending wingers, only to deceive our opponents)
Offensive football by our 2 world class forward fielded, their flicks and tricks, will bring back Juve's supporters to the new age stadium.
We are making small enough, so we can fill up it every weekend!!
So, we will offload Iaq for the maximu sum we can (5-8mi)l, add 12-17 more(or how much Samp asks, the Boss is willing to pay more) and sign Cassano,
waste the 80% of our summer mercato focus, to get him and fail to secure Eboue because he was lower in our priority/interest list.
Spend the rest of the 25mil on 3 players, a 10mil Italian/EPL winger, as Neddys successor (why would he have to quit just now, when we want to buy Cassano???)
A 10 mil DM-CM to keep the sacred tradition of adding a forward and a DM every season, for our collection and use the remaining 5mil to pay the salaries of Zebina, Andrade and the loan price tag (1-2mil only) and salary (1mil at max and thats already too much for mopping the bench) of the new Knezevic/Stendardo.
In the mean time, loan out Giovinco with an option to sell, release Almiron and CZ for free.
Let the other half of Lanza go for 2mil or pay 10mil to get him back!
And dont forget to further extend extend Marchionni's, Moli's, Grygera's, Secco's and CR's contract, by raising their salaries 30-50% for their invaluable service to the club
LB: keep invulnerable Moli as a starter and use DC once/month so he can help the new ML
LM: hope that the new limited quality/cheap LM will have to fill Neddy's shoes, we had to take that risk, we couldnt sign Ribery and Cassano at the same time...
RB: Hope that this will be Zebina's year this time...
RM: Until Camo retires, we dont have to buy a new RM, we have other priorities (Cassano), in the unlikely event Camo gets injured again, we have Marchionni, who is also trying hard like Moli and is loyal to our cause...
CB: who needs another CB?? We have NT Legro and a real Viking, Criscito should be more than enough, besides we already paid 10mil to get his half back. Criscito or not, our stats say we dont concede goals... These defenders are good enough to help us win the CL, its more forwards we need to score more goals than Real, Barca and co...
CM-DM: Replacing the CZ we had to release, was our number two priority. DMs-CMs are essential to our formation, at least so does CR says...
Forwards: we can never have enough forwards, the Champion Iaq was growing rusty, so that we have to replace him with Cassano. Treze is the only finisher we will ever need, but we need more SS to fix our creativity issues, DP, Cassano, Amauri are barely enough. Giovinco wasnt exactly a SS, so we have to bring Palla back by the x-mas, so we can tell we have strengthened our team once again!
Judging by our transfers moves so far, by the way our managers choose/neglect our priorities, by their very own logic, followed mot by rumors, but by the pattern of their final choices, the worst case scenario is more probable to happen
and what would add, to Dom's formation of X's and *'s??
Exactly what is added this season...
The issues Dom mentioned are not nearly appeared, we have been discussing them by the time we returned to serie A.
Each clubs owners have their priorities, we can easily lough ta Milan's priorities to sacrifice performance for prestige. But is does serve their owner, the popularity of the players and the ability of Milan to buy them, does give the Milan fans the motivation they need! They visit their stadium more than us and Berlusca's popularity is still supported by them, because he is the president who brought Roniie, Beckham and had kept Kaka, without considering the costs.
His hands are washed and only Galliani and Carlito will take the blame for the dinosaurs collapse in the end.
But we have to answer our selves what are our priorities...
Are we any better than them? They goal was prestige and it has been accomplished, our goal is to become competitive again and increase the spectacle!
Did we really made a step forwards, from last year, on building a competitive team for the future?? Did we even attempted to cover any of those x's??
Is Juve now a much more impressive team to watch than it was last year??
In which direction our steps leading us now?
But we cant expect from the later two to be proved as good as Marchisio, such talents are rare, unless they have Mellberg's age and experience!
I would rather minimize the risks and focus on those two starters!!
Our team is complete quantity wise, unless we sell anyone first (Andrade, Zebina, Tiago, Marchionni, Iaq, Treze) we must focus on finding two quality starters who can help our team today and be a part of a very competitive team tomorrow. That and instead of a new Stendardo/Knezevic, we should bring back Criscito.
I expect no more and no less from our board!
(offloading Zebina/Grygera and bring Eboue for free, atop of the two quality starters and the return of Criscito, would make be Jubilant!)
We should start building the competitive team we were promised,
there is no more reason to stalling and share the available resources to 4 average players. That would postpone the problem for one more year and without no real tactical advantages, since there is no guarantee that those mediocre 4 will help us get any significally better results than the top class 2.
By default we are destined to compete for the CL positions. There is no risk losing them if we buy 2 top class instead of 4 decent players, since the gap between us and the weaker teams, still is bigger, rather than the gap between us and the first. This is where we should start working to...
We need two pair of wingers.Considering we have 45mil to spend and we need 2 players for every space. If we plan to use DC as a LM:
LB: turn Moli into a sub and buy with 10-20mil a top class LB, young enough to last at least 5 years at the highest competitive levels, meaning no older than 25-26.
LM: Use Giovinco as a starter and DC as his sub for more defensive schemes
RB: Turn Grygera into a sub, release Zebina and sign Eboue for free
RM: Execute Marchionni, buy a 20mil RW and keep Camo as his sub, he is injury prone, growing older and we dont really have two promising youngsters to replace him like we have at the left side!
Thats two x's and 2 *'s down (i do trust Marchisio and by the end of the year we will know for sure, besides, we get to keep Tiago, Poulsen, without canceling the money we spent on them)
Or if we use De Ceglie as an LB
LB: We need to trust more DC and give him the necessary time and space to grow at his potential and become a future part of our team, otherwise there is no reason to keep him... That would mean, he should get more time than Moli and focus on honing his defensive skills, if Moli has learned how to defend, so can DC, but with the added bonus that he can offer so much more forwards!
If after 5-7 consecutive games DC proves to be a liability, we can have Moli back, without any risks or expenses.
LM: Sign a top quality LM for 25mil and use Giovinco as his sub
RB: Grygera as a sub, someone like Eboue and hopefully a healthy Zebina!
RM: a 10-15 mil young and promising RM, of Poulsen's quality, to be used as Camo's sub and if proven good eventually to replace him. If not a decent sub(unlike Marchionni) for the future, when Camo retires.
Def an upgrade to our current team and with a potential to resolve the majority of our issues, while taking minimal risks, we can always try to offload Almiron(5-8mil), Andrade (2-4 mil), Zebina(3-6mil) and one between Legro or Mellberg (5-6mil) and use that sum to sign a reliable young CB like Felipe(13-15mil). Chiellini, Felipe, Legro or Mellberg and Criscito look good enough!
And now a tragic, worst case scenario, Secco trademark/pattern
:Yuppiieee, we have 45 mil to spend,
time to add one more expensive forward!!:melayyanandmessi:
It doesnt matter if our defense isnt exactly... world class, Moli+Grygera are trying hard enough and our DMs will help them, we have to get sure we are going to score more goals than we concede.
It doesnt matter if we conceded some, its better for the spectacle, the new age Juve is an offensive team,
(thats what the board ordered, CR only uses a defensive 4-4-2 with 2 DMs and 2defending wingers, only to deceive our opponents)
Offensive football by our 2 world class forward fielded, their flicks and tricks, will bring back Juve's supporters to the new age stadium.
We are making small enough, so we can fill up it every weekend!!
So, we will offload Iaq for the maximu sum we can (5-8mi)l, add 12-17 more(or how much Samp asks, the Boss is willing to pay more) and sign Cassano,
waste the 80% of our summer mercato focus, to get him and fail to secure Eboue because he was lower in our priority/interest list.
Spend the rest of the 25mil on 3 players, a 10mil Italian/EPL winger, as Neddys successor (why would he have to quit just now, when we want to buy Cassano???)
A 10 mil DM-CM to keep the sacred tradition of adding a forward and a DM every season, for our collection and use the remaining 5mil to pay the salaries of Zebina, Andrade and the loan price tag (1-2mil only) and salary (1mil at max and thats already too much for mopping the bench) of the new Knezevic/Stendardo.
In the mean time, loan out Giovinco with an option to sell, release Almiron and CZ for free.
Let the other half of Lanza go for 2mil or pay 10mil to get him back!
And dont forget to further extend extend Marchionni's, Moli's, Grygera's, Secco's and CR's contract, by raising their salaries 30-50% for their invaluable service to the club
LB: keep invulnerable Moli as a starter and use DC once/month so he can help the new ML
LM: hope that the new limited quality/cheap LM will have to fill Neddy's shoes, we had to take that risk, we couldnt sign Ribery and Cassano at the same time...
RB: Hope that this will be Zebina's year this time...
RM: Until Camo retires, we dont have to buy a new RM, we have other priorities (Cassano), in the unlikely event Camo gets injured again, we have Marchionni, who is also trying hard like Moli and is loyal to our cause...
CB: who needs another CB?? We have NT Legro and a real Viking, Criscito should be more than enough, besides we already paid 10mil to get his half back. Criscito or not, our stats say we dont concede goals... These defenders are good enough to help us win the CL, its more forwards we need to score more goals than Real, Barca and co...
CM-DM: Replacing the CZ we had to release, was our number two priority. DMs-CMs are essential to our formation, at least so does CR says...
Forwards: we can never have enough forwards, the Champion Iaq was growing rusty, so that we have to replace him with Cassano. Treze is the only finisher we will ever need, but we need more SS to fix our creativity issues, DP, Cassano, Amauri are barely enough. Giovinco wasnt exactly a SS, so we have to bring Palla back by the x-mas, so we can tell we have strengthened our team once again!
Judging by our transfers moves so far, by the way our managers choose/neglect our priorities, by their very own logic, followed mot by rumors, but by the pattern of their final choices, the worst case scenario is more probable to happen
and what would add, to Dom's formation of X's and *'s??
Exactly what is added this season...
The issues Dom mentioned are not nearly appeared, we have been discussing them by the time we returned to serie A.
Each clubs owners have their priorities, we can easily lough ta Milan's priorities to sacrifice performance for prestige. But is does serve their owner, the popularity of the players and the ability of Milan to buy them, does give the Milan fans the motivation they need! They visit their stadium more than us and Berlusca's popularity is still supported by them, because he is the president who brought Roniie, Beckham and had kept Kaka, without considering the costs.
His hands are washed and only Galliani and Carlito will take the blame for the dinosaurs collapse in the end.
But we have to answer our selves what are our priorities...
Are we any better than them? They goal was prestige and it has been accomplished, our goal is to become competitive again and increase the spectacle!
Did we really made a step forwards, from last year, on building a competitive team for the future?? Did we even attempted to cover any of those x's??
Is Juve now a much more impressive team to watch than it was last year??
In which direction our steps leading us now?
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