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KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Sergio, what do you think of this Savage guy?
I like him.

He's a blue collar quarterback with a great arm. Tough as nails and built like a tank. Has good touch but not always accurate. Bill O'Brien will work with him but he's not ready this year. He doesn't have much experience after sitting out for a couple of seasons
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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Savage has potential but that's one dangerous word. He is not very good going thru reads and tends to make bad decisions and cannot stay cool and collected when he is under pressure. Can he improve on that? Sure but it's not a given and even if it were to happen, will likely take some time.
The mere fact the Texans took him in late 4th, tells me they don't see him as a starter for the 2014 season, at least, otherwise they'd have made him a priority.

Savage has the same agent as Revis and seems he tried to use the Pats and their supposed high interest in Savage to raise his stock. Before you knew it, "experts" had the guy with an early 2nd round and even late 1st round grade. Seems to me teams weren't that easy to fool after all.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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Bruce Ellington could have easily gone in the second round, and no one would have had an issue with it. The 49ers are stealing him in the fourth round. Ellington is still raw, but he doesn't have to play anytime soon with Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree and Stevie Johnson all ahead of him. But Ellington can sit and learn for a year or two before becoming a big contributor.



Would be nice.
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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Anything I should know about those later picks? After Ellington.
first signs of addiction :p

I am familiar with 3 of those guys - CB Dontae Johnson, DE Aaron Lynch and FB Trey Millard.

D. Johnson has the skill and smarts to be your starting CB at some point into the season, especially considering the competition. Only knock on him was his short arms, iirc. Other than that he is competitive, has the size, instincts and speed to become a good starting NFL CB. Plays at FS too, so there is teh position versatility element.

A. Lunch has a ton of potential but off the field issues/character concerns have stunted his development. He took the college scene by storm as a freshman at Notre Dame and showed top 10-15 range potential. After that, however, he dropped a ton of weight, moved to back to Florida for personal reasons, ending up playing for a much smaller program and had to take a year off in the process. And was average at best after he started playing again for USF.
All in all, a lot potential but the tricky part with him would be to rediscover his focus and harness that talent. His ideal playing weight is probably 25 lbs more than what he is now. Likely won't be a factor next season but at least 2-3 years from now.

T. Millard is a great prospect all around but fell in the draft due to a torn ACL last season. He is can play RB, FB, and even move TE. Very smart player, academic all-american, iirc. All in all, great character on and off the field. Likely to turn out to be a steal in that late 7th round range.
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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yes and no. yes because he ain't worth that money and no because the team didn't have much of a choice given the situation/circumstances they were facing. For my money, you are in the same boat with the Ravens, in that regard.
the two teams that really blew it with recent Qb extensions, were the 'Boys and the Bears, imo.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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He was always going to get a big deal. He will improve as well, in 2 years we have gone to the bowl and been not far off it.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000356358/Details-on-Kaepernick-s-contract

Seems a decent deal.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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The Kaepernick deal, when you read it, although on the surface it has a big dollar amount, is actually quite cap friendly all things considered. Plus, the Niners can back out of the contract and not have it affect them greatly with the cap.

I usually never freak out about the amounts of contracts until I get a chance to read the details of it.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Great deal for the Niners. I can't imagine why Kaep would go for it. I would want more guaranteed money.

I think it's a situation where in order for him to get paid, he needs to play to the value of the contract. It's also very cap friendly so that they can focus on re-signing other players.


The bottom line to this deal is if he wants to get paid like a franchise quarterback, he needs to play like a franchise quarterback.

I find it very interesting that he could actually lose 2 million dollars off the value per year if he doesn't win the Super Bowl or become an All-Pro quarterback. Talk about putting your money where your mouth is.
 
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I think it's a situation where in order for him to get paid, he needs to play to the value of the contract. It's also very cap friendly so that they can focus on re-signing other players.


The bottom line to this deal is if he wants to get paid like a franchise quarterback, he needs to play like a franchise quarterback.

I find it very interesting that he could actually lose 2 million dollars off the value per year if he doesn't win the Super Bowl or become an All-Pro quarterback. Talk about putting your money where your mouth is.
I've never heard of anything like it. But it makes sense for the Niners. He's still a somewhat green player, and this protects them in the event that he turns out to be a one hit wonder (which I doubt). If he keeps playing like he has he will get a huge payday when the end of this contract nears.
 

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