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KB824

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It actually helps the Patriots in the AFC, in an odd way.

Reed doesn't put the Texans on that next level. If he had gone to the Broncos, then yeah, there would be reason for concern.


Reed will help the Texans, but not to the point where they are at the forefront of the AFC.
 

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It actually helps the Patriots in the AFC, in an odd way.

Reed doesn't put the Texans on that next level. If he had gone to the Broncos, then yeah, there would be reason for concern.


Reed will help the Texans, but not to the point where they are at the forefront of the AFC.
As long as Matt Schaub is the starting QB, the Texans will always be underneath the glass ceiling
 

KB824

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and the Bears find their replacement for Urlacher in DJ Williams ... who could have seen that coming :stuckup:

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that's a player I wouldn't mind seeing go to NE, especially if they don't get John A.
I was thinking about that, and I think that there are a couple of things that would preclude myself, if I were the New England Patriots, from signing Abraham.

#1) He has spent his entire career playing on the fast tracks of artificial surfaces. I'm not quite sure how effective he would be playing at least 8 of his games on anything but that.

#2) At this point in his career, he is a situational pass rusher. Basically, you would be playing your hand on what you plan to do when the opposing offense is not in obvious passing downs. He over pursues like it is nobody's business, and in turn you would be putting greater pressure on Spikes, who has terrible lateral movement to begin with, to cover for Abraham taking himself out of the play


There's a reason players like Abraham and Freeney haven't signed yet, and aside from the money, I think I may have given you the reasons why
 

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It actually helps the Patriots in the AFC, in an odd way.

Reed doesn't put the Texans on that next level. If he had gone to the Broncos, then yeah, there would be reason for concern.


Reed will help the Texans, but not to the point where they are at the forefront of the AFC.
It's a good pick up for certain reasons.

1) We need a safety. Ed Reed is still capable of playing at a high level, he's durable, and one of the most knowledgable guys in the game.

2) He's a leader. We don't have any other than Watt and Andre. When Ed Reed talks, people listen. If Ed Reed were in Houston last year, we wouldn't have warn the varsity jackets or started talking about 1st seed in the playoffs.

3) We play 3 safeties. So we're probably going to draft someone in the 3rd or 4th round to go with the young guys already on the team. Having Reed on the team to show these guys the ropes is priceless.

It doesn't make us any more of a contender than we were last season, but it does make us a little bit better.

As for all the people dissing Schaub, who else are we gonna get? There are like 5 elite QB's in the league (Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, and Eli) and the likelihood of one ending up in Houston is pretty slim. Sure he's not elite but he's what we have and he has gotten the team to this level, so for that I'm thankful.
 

acmilan

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I was thinking about that, and I think that there are a couple of things that would preclude myself, if I were the New England Patriots, from signing Abraham.

#1) He has spent his entire career playing on the fast tracks of artificial surfaces. I'm not quite sure how effective he would be playing at least 8 of his games on anything but that.

#2) At this point in his career, he is a situational pass rusher. Basically, you would be playing your hand on what you plan to do when the opposing offense is not in obvious passing downs. He over pursues like it is nobody's business, and in turn you would be putting greater pressure on Spikes, who has terrible lateral movement to begin with, to cover for Abraham taking himself out of the play


There's a reason players like Abraham and Freeney haven't signed yet, and aside from the money, I think I may have given you the reasons why
way ahead of you bud :D

1) Gillette has had an artificial surface for years now :p

2) It's what the Pats need and would want/expect him to be - a situational pass rusher and not just because of his age. And when it comes to JA vs Freeney, JA is far better against the run - and I mean that stats-wise, not just based on the eye-test. Which is also why I would prefer Idonije over Freeney too as I.I. would also offer the flexibility of playing on the inside on passing downs, while freeney is truly a one-dimensional player.

And it's also why the Pats haven't signed JA or Freeney yet - they obviously don't see either of them as anything more than a situational player and their offer is likely reflective of that.

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It's a good pick up for certain reasons.

1) We need a safety. Ed Reed is still capable of playing at a high level, he's durable, and one of the most knowledgable guys in the game.

2) He's a leader. We don't have any other than Watt and Andre. When Ed Reed talks, people listen. If Ed Reed were in Houston last year, we wouldn't have warn the varsity jackets or started talking about 1st seed in the playoffs.

3) We play 3 safeties. So we're probably going to draft someone in the 3rd or 4th round to go with the young guys already on the team. Having Reed on the team to show these guys the ropes is priceless.

It doesn't make us any more of a contender than we were last season, but it does make us a little bit better.

As for all the people dissing Schaub, who else are we gonna get? There are like 5 elite QB's in the league (Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, and Eli) and the likelihood of one ending up in Houston is pretty slim. Sure he's not elite but he's what we have and he has gotten the team to this level, so for that I'm thankful.
don't listen to Serg, he's just jealous that you guys got ER20, while his team replaced Goldson with a guy he himself still can't name :D

While I think that Ed Reed has lost a step and even two and probably won't as big an improvement over Quinn play-wise, I agree that his biggest impact would be in terms of leadership on the field and grooming everybody else in that secondary. In that regard, he is indeed a good pick up by the Texans and worth the 5-6 mil of guaranteed money they'd pay him that very first year of the 3 year contract, iirc the terms.

If I had one doubt about getting Reed - as a Pats fan and all the rumors flying around after the SB - it had to do with the Ravens winning that SB. I still think there is a pretty decent chance he may have the SB hungover and not perform up to his usual standard now that he's achieved his goal. Other than that, I always knew the Pats were never gonna pony-up the money he'd be looking for even at this stage of his career, not after getting his ring anyway.

As for Schaub, I agree with both sides although have to say the Texans seem a bit too comfortable with an obviously average QB, who by now could well be seen as the bottleneck for the team's success. I don't know if you guys are planning on pulling a Kaep/Wilson-like move this year or the next and look for an eventual replacement among the deeper-round QB talent but I think it's time to start seriously thinking about it.
 

KB824

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It's a good pick up for certain reasons.

1) We need a safety. Ed Reed is still capable of playing at a high level, he's durable, and one of the most knowledgable guys in the game.

2) He's a leader. We don't have any other than Watt and Andre. When Ed Reed talks, people listen. If Ed Reed were in Houston last year, we wouldn't have warn the varsity jackets or started talking about 1st seed in the playoffs.

3) We play 3 safeties. So we're probably going to draft someone in the 3rd or 4th round to go with the young guys already on the team. Having Reed on the team to show these guys the ropes is priceless.

It doesn't make us any more of a contender than we were last season, but it does make us a little bit better.

As for all the people dissing Schaub, who else are we gonna get? There are like 5 elite QB's in the league (Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, and Eli) and the likelihood of one ending up in Houston is pretty slim. Sure he's not elite but he's what we have and he has gotten the team to this level, so for that I'm thankful.
Ok, that's what I thought I said? :boh:

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way ahead of you bud :D

1) Gillette has had an artificial surface for years now :p

2) It's what the Pats need and would want/expect him to be - a situational pass rusher and not just because of his age. And when it comes to JA vs Freeney, JA is far better against the run - and I mean that stats-wise, not just based on the eye-test. Which is also why I would prefer Idonije over Freeney too as I.I. would also offer the flexibility of playing on the inside on passing downs, while freeney is truly a one-dimensional player.

And it's also why the Pats haven't signed JA or Freeney yet - they obviously don't see either of them as anything more than a situational player and their offer is likely reflective of that.

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don't listen to Serg, he's just jealous that you guys got ER20, while his team replaced Goldson with a guy he himself still can't name :D

While I think that Ed Reed has lost a step and even two and probably won't as big an improvement over Quinn play-wise, I agree that his biggest impact would be in terms of leadership on the field and grooming everybody else in that secondary. In that regard, he is indeed a good pick up by the Texans and worth the 5-6 mil of guaranteed money they'd pay him that very first year of the 3 year contract, iirc the terms.

If I had one doubt about getting Reed - as a Pats fan and all the rumors flying around after the SB - it had to do with the Ravens winning that SB. I still think there is a pretty decent chance he may have the SB hungover and not perform up to his usual standard now that he's achieved his goal. Other than that, I always knew the Pats were never gonna pony-up the money he'd be looking for even at this stage of his career, not after getting his ring anyway.

As for Schaub, I agree with both sides although have to say the Texans seem a bit too comfortable with an obviously average QB, who by now could well be seen as the bottleneck for the team's success. I don't know if you guys are planning on pulling a Kaep/Wilson-like move this year or the next and look for an eventual replacement among the deeper-round QB talent but I think it's time to start seriously thinking about it.
That replacement still isn't on the team yet. Will most likely come via the draft.

But would you prefer Idonije over Abraham?

Aha, now that's the real question

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Actually, who was dissing Schaub, anyway?

Oh wait. Dru did.

Aaron, you know better than to take anything a Desi has to say too seriously.
 

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You got the Texans free safety.

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Ok, that's what I thought I said? :boh:

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That replacement still isn't on the team yet. Will most likely come via the draft.

But would you prefer Idonije over Abraham?

Aha, now that's the real question

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Actually, who was dissing Schaub, anyway?

Oh wait. Dru did.

Aaron, you know better than to take anything a Desi has to say too seriously.
I was basically agreeing with you. Just giving my reasons.

And then I addressed Dru at the end.:D
 

acmilan

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But would you prefer Idonije over Abraham?

Aha, now that's the real question
What makes you think I'd have to choose? :klin:

I'd be perfectly happy with the vet presence of Abraham/Freeney given the young DE group the Pats have put together. Adding Idonije too would be like a cherry on that cake but wouldn't see it as a must, at least for now, as I am pretty high on Armstead providing interior rush, which is what makes me want Idonije in the first place. If it was just about a situational DE pass rusher, I'd take Abraham over Idonije, assuming equal or close to contract terms.

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@X - told ya you guys were gonna fix the LB position ... ain't even draft-time and you already have a pretty solid LB core. And you were so worried :p

btw, any chance you guys are cutting Peppers or planning to restructure his contract this off-season? BB would love him some peppers on his pizza :D
 

acmilan

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it seems that what he signed today - 6 years, 108 mil, 55 mil guaranteed with 57 mil in the first 3 years - is not a new contract starting from this year but an extension to his existent contract, which technically had 3 more years left but, due to legal BS in it, practically only 1 year, making him a free agent at the end of the 2013 season. This year Romo is scheduled to make 11.5 mil on the last year of that previous deal and only then does the extension kick in.

So, if that's indeed the case, Romo, who's soon to be 33 yo, would make just short of 70 mil over the next 4 years :sergio:

Crappy time to be the Packers' GM, I guess - if a scrub like Romo got this type of money (even more than another pretty average QB like Flucco got a month ago) imagine what a legit QB like Rogers would ask for ... I just did and holly fuck :D
 

KB824

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Niners just signed Anthony Davis to a 5 year extension. Love it Love it Love it. Getting better every year and still just 23 years old. Great move. Iupati, Kaepernick,Crabtree, Aldon Smith are next. I hope.
 

Rollie

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Once upon a time, there was a great fury around these parts about moving up in the draft... but man did Baalke ever nail that 1st round.

We got some slick management on our side, brother. Also, that Nnamdi move was a solid add.

Can't wait for the draft!
 

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