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[Rollie]

Yes, I am aware of this. I am also aware of the value charts that are given to draft picks, and I know full well that the chances of the niners moving up by adding ONLY later round picks is impossible. Which was why I had stated a couple of days ago that I do not want them to do this for someone like a Tavon Austin. Dee Millner? Absolutely. Not a Tavon Austin. They need a replacement for Justin Smith, Dashon Goldson, and another Cornerback and TE. A WR that is small and fast can be had in the third round or later

I like the fact that Jenkins has already spent 7 weeks training with Kaep, and a couple of other receivers. Hopefully he can get involved this year, get vertical; at least he's showing initiative, and working hard. I'm also really looking forward to seeing what LaMichael James can do in year two; I think we can get him the ball in space, and create some mismatches underneath. Hunter's coming off that Achilles injury, so there will be some more opportunities early on.

I'm excited for this draft, we have so many picks we can't really use! I think we're going to start by moving up, and taking a defender.

 

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[KB824]

Ok. We are now 3 hours away, and I am hearing that the niners are trying to move up to #12 in order to obtain that CB from Houston. The one that has shot up the draft boards recently. D. J. Hayden

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I like the fact that Jenkins has already spent 7 weeks training with Kaep, and a couple of other receivers. Hopefully he can get involved this year, get vertical; at least he's showing initiative, and working hard. I'm also really looking forward to seeing what LaMichael James can do in year two; I think we can get him the ball in space, and create some mismatches underneath. Hunter's coming off that Achilles injury, so there will be some more opportunities early on.

I'm excited for this draft, we have so many picks we can't really use! I think we're going to start by moving up, and taking a defender.

That's good, because he needs it. I didn't like the pick last year, and despite his sub 4.4. times at his pro day last year, he didn't play up to that speed.

Now the latest talk is about Robert Woods, and he could land anywhere from the Texans to the Patriots, because he ran a sub 4.4. 40.

Now Look. I'm a huge USC fan, just about everyone knows that. But I can tell you right now that he most certainly does not play as fast as his times. Very good route runner, but a lot of these guys can run a 4.4. 40 in a straight line.


And for the record, and anyone can look it up, I wanted Stephen Hill last year from Georgia Tech. Dammit.

 

[acmilan]

I know you had a stiffie for Hill last year which is why I am not paying much attention to what you've got to say about draft prospects, in general

I'd love Woods somewhere in the 2nd but not in the 1st even if I consider him one of the most polished route runners in the draft along with Hopkins, Patton and Wheaton. All 4 are Patriot targets (PWs, CIs, etc) but I very much doubt BB goes for a WR in the 1st - more like a DL-man, I think ... one of D. Jones, Jesse Williams, Tank carradine, I think, or he trades out of there.

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I think it would be crazy risky to move up so much for Hayden. I think he goes late 1st at the earliest or more likely drops into the 2nd. Even 3rd is a possibility for him depending on how teams evaluate his medical history.
He is a fine CB talent but I am not sure about his mindset after an injury like that - he has come back from it physically, but hasn't played competitive football since so no way to tell how he would handle that mentally. Not sure how ready he would be to throw himself into that next tackle considering his last one almost cost him his life.

 

[Rollie]

Ok. We are now 3 hours away, and I am hearing that the niners are trying to move up to #12 in order to obtain that CB from Houston. The one that has shot up the draft boards recently. D. J. Hayden

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That's good, because he needs it. I didn't like the pick last year, and despite his sub 4.4. times at his pro day last year, he didn't play up to that speed.

Now the latest talk is about Robert Woods, and he could land anywhere from the Texans to the Patriots, because he ran a sub 4.4. 40.

Now Look. I'm a huge USC fan, just about everyone knows that. But I can tell you right now that he most certainly does not play as fast as his times. Very good route runner, but a lot of these guys can run a 4.4. 40 in a straight line.


And for the record, and anyone can look it up, I wanted Stephen Hill last year from Georgia Tech. Dammit.

0 catches last season, really says it all. I don't think there was a pundit out there who rated that Jenkins selection, but at least the player seems to have the right attitude given how things have played out.

I've heard Sheldon Richardson, Milliner, Eifert, Vaccaro... we're in for everyone!

 

[KB824]

I know you had a stiffie for Hill last year which is why I am not paying much attention to what you've got to say about draft prospects, in general

I'd love Woods somewhere in the 2nd but not in the 1st even if I consider him one of the most polished route runners in the draft along with Hopkins, Patton and Wheaton. All 4 are Patriot targets (PWs, CIs, etc) but I very much doubt BB goes for a WR in the 1st - more like a DL-man, I think ... one of D. Jones, Jesse Williams, Tank carradine, I think, or he trades out of there.

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I think it would be crazy risky to move up so much for Hayden. I think he goes late 1st at the earliest or more likely drops into the 2nd. Even 3rd is a possibility for him depending on how teams evaluate his medical history.
He is a fine CB talent but I am not sure about his mindset after an injury like that - he has come back from it physically, but hasn't played competitive football since so no way to tell how he would handle that mentally. Not sure how ready he would be to throw himself into that next tackle considering his last one almost cost him his life.

Really, considering he is a physical specimen and had the misfortune of playing with Mark Sanchez for most of the year?


Hill on the 49ers could have developed into a top tier wide receiver. It's not Hill's fault that he had Dirty Sanchez throwing (if you could call it that), throwing the ball to him last year.

Oh, and while you are at it, why don't you give me a link to your football guru draft guide.

 

[acmilan]

Really, considering he is a physical specimen and had the misfortune of playing with Mark Sanchez for most of the year?


Hill on the 49ers could have developed into a top tier wide receiver. It's not Hill's fault that he had Dirty Sanchez throwing (if you could call it that), throwing the ball to him last year.

repeat after me: "I was wrong" - see much shorter than that drivel above

I have no argument about Hill being a physical specimen but the most important attributes a top WR must possess are intelligence (to be able to get separation, read coverages, run his routs properly, etc) and good hands. Some of the best WR in the business just happen to be physical specimens too, which is an extra bonus on top of everything else, but not what makes them the best at what they do.

With Hill, similarly with this years Patterson, it's his physique that separated him from the rest, not his hands or polished routes. True that Sanchez isn't exactly the best Qb in the biz but he is not that bad either and his regression over the past 2 seasons has been due mostly to lack of continuity in the OC/QB coaching department and his supporting cast on offense.
Could Hill have fared better with a top QB throwing to him in a top offense? Most likely but that doesn't mean he will ever be the player you thought he could be because, again, he had mostly his physique to go and be judged by at the time of the 2012 draft and was a complete unknown when it came to route running abilities and overall intelligence on the field. That's what made him an unknown quantity, a risk for many teams last year and it's not by chance he dropped into the 2nd and it was the clueless O of the Jets that first pounced on him too.

 

[KB824]

repeat after me: "I was wrong" - see much shorter than that drivel above

I have no argument about Hill being a physical specimen but the most important attributes a top WR must possess are intelligence (to be able to get separation, read coverages, run his routs properly, etc) and good hands. Some of the best WR in the business just happen to be physical specimens too, which is an extra bonus on top of everything else, but not what makes them the best at what they do.

With Hill, similarly with this years Patterson, it's his physique that separated him from the rest, not his hands or polished routes. True that Sanchez isn't exactly the best Qb in the biz but he is not that bad either and his regression over tha past 2 seasons has due mostly to lack of continuity in the OC/QB coaching department and his supporting cast on offense.
Could Hill have fared better with a top QB throwing to him in a top offense? Most likely but that doesn't mean he will ever be the player he could be because, again, he had mostly his physique to go and be judged by at the time of the 2012 draft and was a complete unknown when it came to route running abilities and overall intelligence on the field. That's what made him an unknown quantity, a risk for many teams last year and it's not by chance he dropped into the 2nd and it was the clueless O of the Jets that first pounced on him too.

I'm convinced that you think I'm stupid

 

[acmilan]

I'm convinced that you think I'm stupid

If I thought you were stupid, I'd have never bothered replying to you in the first place

Maybe what I said above seems like just stating the obvious but I did it 'cause it seemed to me you were implying that physical qualities - and that was all Hill had going for him entering the 2012 draft - were enough to make him a top of the line WR just by changing the QB throwing to him. Which is something I completely disagree on ... that's why there are so many draft busts - because the things that separate the great players from the whims are so difficult to measure and one certainly doesn't measure them in 40 or 3-cone times or whatever.

Hill was/is a raw talent, that I think we agree on but what do you really mean when you say that? Isn't that just another way of saying he has the physique but not the history/tape of being able to put to proper use? Hence my reply above

 

[KB824]

If I thought you were stupid, I'd have never bothered replying to you in the first place

Maybe what I said above seems like just stating the obvious but I did it 'cause it seemed to me you were implying that physical qualities - and that was all Hill had going for him entering the 2012 draft - were enough to make him a top of the line WR just by changing the QB throwing to him. Which is something I completely disagree on ... that's why there are so many draft busts - because the things that separate the great players from the whims are so difficult to measure and one certainly doesn't measure them in 40 or 3-cone times or whatever.

Hill was/is a raw talent, that I think we agree on but what do you really mean when you say that? Isn't that just another way of saying he has the physique but not the history/tape of being able to put to proper use? Hence my reply above

Hill is a raw talent. I said it last year prior to the draft. I also said that with proper coaching and the proper system with a proper quarterback, he could turn into a special player. Let's face it, he didn't play in an offense in college that was condusive to an aerial attack. Yet his yards per catch at Georgia Tech were off the charts, even if he ran mostly fly patterns, which is exactly what the 49ers needed last year, and going into this year as well. they neede d someone to stretch the field

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This is what I said about Stephen Hill last march


Now, I would like to see them add a Right Guard in free agency so that they can focus on another WR in the draft, and the kid that I am drooling over right now is Stephen Hill from Georgia Tech. He's 6'4" 215 lbs. and ran a sub 4.4 at the combines in February. He is very raw though, as Georgia Tech hardly ever threw the ball, but he had over 800 yards on only 29 catches. All of the measurables are there, but it will take some time for him to develop, but at the end of the first round, i think that you can take a chance on a prospect like this. If he pans out, and I'm calling it right now. If, and this is a big IF he pans out, he has the talent to be the best 49er receiver since Jerry Rice.

 

[Enron]

26 minutes guys. Can't wait.

 

[acmilan]

Hill is a raw talent. I said it last year prior to the draft. I also said that with proper coaching and the proper system with a proper quarterback, he could turn into a special player. Let's face it, he didn't play in an offense in college that was condusive to an aerial attack. Yet his yards per catch at Georgia Tech were off the charts, even if he ran mostly fly patterns, which is exactly what the 49ers needed last year, and going into this year as well. they neede d someone to stretch the field

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This is what I said about Stephen Hill last march


Now, I would like to see them add a Right Guard in free agency so that they can focus on another WR in the draft, and the kid that I am drooling over right now is Stephen Hill from Georgia Tech. He's 6'4" 215 lbs. and ran a sub 4.4 at the combines in February. He is very raw though, as Georgia Tech hardly ever threw the ball, but he had over 800 yards on only 29 catches. All of the measurables are there, but it will take some time for him to develop, but at the end of the first round, i think that you can take a chance on a prospect like this. If he pans out, and I'm calling it right now. If, and this is a big IF he pans out, he has the talent to be the best 49er receiver since Jerry Rice.

diff offenses in college, diff defenses too - those stats mean close to nothing. Yet another factor why it's so diff to project a player's transition to the pros. Let's assume Hill would have had a better year with a better Qb throwing to him. How do you spend a first round on a WR that has had a pretty limited route tree at the college level? And look at your own post from last year - your eval of Hill mostly hinges on his measurables, on his times and such, which is exactly what i pointed out earlier - too unpolished and unproven even at the college level, forget about projecting to the pros.

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26 minutes guys. Can't wait.

hope you get Manti Te'o :evil:

 

[KB824]

diff offenses in college, diff defenses too - those stats mean close to nothing. Yet another factor why it's so diff to project a player's transition to the pros. Let's assume Hill would have had a better year with a better Qb throwing to him. How do you spend a first round on a WR that has had a pretty limited route tree at the college level? And look at your own post from last year - your eval of Hill mostly hinges on his measurables, on his times and such, which is exactly what i pointed out earlier - too unpolished and unproven even at the college level, forget about projecting to the pros.

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hope you get Manti Te'o :evil:

OK. What point are you trying to prove here? That I stated that he is very raw and has all the measurables, but needed to be coached up? I said that already last year and just said it again today.

And tell me why you were drooling over Ansah earlier this year, even posting a youtube video of him when he has played a total of 8 games his entire college career?

 

[Enron]

hope you get Manti Te'o :evil:

I like Bobby Woods.

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LET'S TAKE IT LIVE!

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MAC goes number 1.

 

[KB824]

acmilan, why can't we be friends?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

im from chicago, we dont do the draft

 

[KB824]

im from chicago, we dont do the draft

In Soviet Chicago, the draft does you

 

[Enron]

Little T went to the Rams. Way better for him than the Jets. NFC West is now the funnest division in the NFL.

 

[KB824]

My heart goes out to Geno Smith if he goes here

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Although I think it will be Dee Millner

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Or Shariff Floyd

 

[Enron]

I hope they don't take Geno. Rex Ryan is a terrible coach.

 

[KB824]

And Dee Millner it is. Great pick