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Do you know why he was complaining during the Ravens game? I am guessing not i.e. you yet again have formed a strong, uninformed opinion on a matter without having all the facts.
For the record, the reason why Brady "whined" in that game was because a Ravens DT (Jernigen) reached into his helmet and poked him in the eye, scratching his eye/cornea. This is an offense punishable by expulsion from the game. And that was after he had kneed him while already on the ground. None of those plays even generated a flag from the refs.
For the record, the reason why Brady "whined" in that game was because a Ravens DT (Jernigen) reached into his helmet and poked him in the eye, scratching his eye/cornea. This is an offense punishable by expulsion from the game. And that was after he had kneed him while already on the ground. None of those plays even generated a flag from the refs.
My case for Brady being the greatest of all time now is that he went an entire generation in the NFL before he won one again. A decade is an eternity in the NFL, and to come back from a 10 point deficit against the best defense in the league, in the biggest game of the season, at his age, when they had no running game to speak of, speaks volumes about him.
Believe me when I tell you, I pass around complements like manhole covers, and in no way was this an easy thing for me to say.
Especially considering where I happen to live.
And there is no one here on this forum who remembers the Montana years like I do. I remember them like they were yesterday, when you knew, that no matter what, Joe Cool would come through. I remember the '86 season when he had back surgery in the middle of the year but still came back in time for the playoffs. I remember the Super Bowls, the last minute touchdown pass on a slant route to John Taylor in '89, the destruction of both Elway and Marino in the super bowl.
But consider what Brady has done in his career, his winning percentage, both in the regular season and in the playoffs, and it's unmatched. The guy has been in more playoffs games thatn anyone I can remember, and yet his percentage his higher than anyone else's. And that is amazing, considering how a playoff loss can greatly skew that percentage.
Believe me when I tell you, I pass around complements like manhole covers, and in no way was this an easy thing for me to say.
Especially considering where I happen to live.
And there is no one here on this forum who remembers the Montana years like I do. I remember them like they were yesterday, when you knew, that no matter what, Joe Cool would come through. I remember the '86 season when he had back surgery in the middle of the year but still came back in time for the playoffs. I remember the Super Bowls, the last minute touchdown pass on a slant route to John Taylor in '89, the destruction of both Elway and Marino in the super bowl.
But consider what Brady has done in his career, his winning percentage, both in the regular season and in the playoffs, and it's unmatched. The guy has been in more playoffs games thatn anyone I can remember, and yet his percentage his higher than anyone else's. And that is amazing, considering how a playoff loss can greatly skew that percentage.
Well you could also say that the Pats have had a favorable division for a while. I am not saying the Pats aren't a good team though.
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I know that you don't remember this, but the old NFC west was pretty shitty for a long long time.
We are talking about the Falcons and the Saints being in that division, and they were fucking horrible, yet nobody brings that up when talking about Montana.
Their best competition in the division were the Rams, and their offense consisted of Dickerson right, Dickerson left, Dickerson up the middle for a very long time.
I think there is a case to be made based on how many times Brady has gotten to the bowl, his perseverance to get back on that horse after losing, definitely. What Montana did in his 4 games is crazy though, perfect. Can't compare the two, its two different situations.
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I can't really comment on the 9ers back then, I wasn't even born. But yeah, that is fair enough. What I can see is highlights and stats which don't tell the full story but I don't think anyone will ever do what Montana did, play 4 basically perfect games.
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I can't really comment on the 9ers back then, I wasn't even born. But yeah, that is fair enough. What I can see is highlights and stats which don't tell the full story but I don't think anyone will ever do what Montana did, play 4 basically perfect games.
I remember the Montana years very well, at least the second half of his career. He was my favorite player when I was a kid. I was 12-13 when he won his back to back Super Bowls.
Since you are talking about generation gaps, Montana won his first SB in 1981 and his last in 1990. And he never had a 10 year gap without adding a ring to his collection. 81, 84, 89, 90.
Since you are talking about generation gaps, Montana won his first SB in 1981 and his last in 1990. And he never had a 10 year gap without adding a ring to his collection. 81, 84, 89, 90.
Never losing a Super Bowl is a bad measure, IMO. It's still very much a team sport. While I would argue that Brady was a pretty soft MVP as far as Super Bowl MVPs go yesterday, he did exactly what the Patriots needed: to keep his head in the game and the team in the game just when odds were starting to press against him. He made the plays when he absolutely needed to (8/8 on the last drive being a good example, though Seattle's defense was both tired and playing a little prevent-mode at the time).
That said, two flukes in the final minutes could have made the difference between him being a winner or loser of the SuperBowl: Kearse's catch or Wilson's interception. He had nothing to do with either. So you can't give him all of the credit nor all of the blame.
That said, two flukes in the final minutes could have made the difference between him being a winner or loser of the SuperBowl: Kearse's catch or Wilson's interception. He had nothing to do with either. So you can't give him all of the credit nor all of the blame.
This argument can go both ways, though. There were no quick fixes in the NFL back then. You couldn't throw money at a problem, so to speak. You had to do your homework in scouting, drafting, and making trades. If you didn't do your homework, you were dead to rights.
As far as Rice is concerned, Montana won his first two Super Bowls with Rice still in college.
His starting wide receivers in the super bowl against the Dolphins were Dwight Clark, Carl Monroe, with an over the hill Russ Francis as his tight end. He had Tyler and Craig as his running backs, but Craig was still unproven at the time.
His first super bowl offense around him was even worse, with the legendary Ricky Patton as their feature back.
So, he won Super bowls with his fair share of talent that could not be considered as all-star.
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I guess one thing that you could say in regards to the Montana vs Brady debate is the opposing quarterback that each faced in their super bowls, and in that regards, it's not even remotely close.
Ken Anderson, Dan Marino, Boomer Esiason, John Elway vs Kurt Warner, Donovan Mcnabb, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson
As far as Rice is concerned, Montana won his first two Super Bowls with Rice still in college.
His starting wide receivers in the super bowl against the Dolphins were Dwight Clark, Carl Monroe, with an over the hill Russ Francis as his tight end. He had Tyler and Craig as his running backs, but Craig was still unproven at the time.
His first super bowl offense around him was even worse, with the legendary Ricky Patton as their feature back.
So, he won Super bowls with his fair share of talent that could not be considered as all-star.
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I guess one thing that you could say in regards to the Montana vs Brady debate is the opposing quarterback that each faced in their super bowls, and in that regards, it's not even remotely close.
Ken Anderson, Dan Marino, Boomer Esiason, John Elway vs Kurt Warner, Donovan Mcnabb, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson
What you can give him credit for is putting the team in a position to win in those other two super bowl losses, and in this one, that ended up turning out favorably.
If he pulled a Manning in those other two super bowls and the team lost because of his pathetic showing, then by all means, he should be primarily accountable for those results.
If he pulled a Manning in those other two super bowls and the team lost because of his pathetic showing, then by all means, he should be primarily accountable for those results.
