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[Zlatan]

I'm just saying that altho there is a possibility of Osama using nukes, it's a far fetched one. Materials used in nukes arent easy to find, and even if he could find some I'm sure the US intelligence agencies would be on him.

 

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[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
He had it 20 years ago. Most of it, had it been kept until now, would be completely useless.

No it wouldn't. If he has/had them from 20 years ago, the weapons could still be used. Chemical weapons do not become useless after time. But biological weapons do though, if not kept in a safe enviornment.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


Why ???? Its a fact that he bought them...........

Suitcase nukes will destroy an entire city

Perhaps, but dirty bombs are easier to produce. And if nukes really were used, I'd be more worried about the radiation that would kill people for decades afterwards.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


No it wouldn't. If he has/had them from 20 years ago, the weapons could still be used. Chemical weapons do not become useless after time. But biological weapons do though, if not kept in a safe enviornment.

Yeah, but none have been found so far, after, what, over a year now, and IMO, thats a pretty good sign that Saddam was never a threat, as far as WMDs are concerned.

 

[Vinman]

You obviously dont understand.... He bought them from the Checen Mafia who stole them from Russia, when the Soviet Union broke apart

This is factual.............................

Just because your news media doesnt bring it to your attention doesnt mean that it didnt happen.......................

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Anyways, there are bigger chances that Osama would have dirty bombs, not real nukes.

They are not real "Nukes", just a nickname for them. It is actually a dirty bomb.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++


Yeah, but none have been found so far, after, what, over a year now, and IMO, thats a pretty good sign that Saddam was never a threat, as far as WMDs are concerned.

Are you kidding me? Saddam was always a threat. He used Chemical Weapons on his own people for God's sake! What makes you think he would stop there? And in terms of hiding stashes of weapons, Iraq and Afghanistan are rather big countries ya know. Every inch of the mountains in those countries cannot be searched.

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


Laugh all you want because YOU'RE the one thats naive !!!!!

I think I know just a little more about this subject than you, son......

You can claim this all day, but your still looking at things from one side of the spectrum. Sure, I am younger, but you're not the one who's lived on both sides of the world. you dont speak both of the languages invloved. You havn't interacted with the complete range of people I've interacted with.
You've been in NY when Sept !! Happned. I've been in Riyadh when scud missiles were flying over my house. I've been in Riyadh and heard the first of the bombs against the US targets. There were terrorist confrontation with Saudi forces at a 2 minute walking distance from where my family live. My home city where i've lived for 16 years upside down now because of what's going on. I know what goes on there now and I see it from the US perspecive too. I've never been brainwashed. I've always got both CNN internatioanal via satelite and Al-Jazeera just a few clicks away, and with what i see and who i talk to I know can cut all the BS out.


What you know, is only what you're fed at your neck of the woods.

Fact- Osama has bought at least 30 suitcase nukes from the Chechen mafia



Fact- Al Queida has agents in NYC, Chicago, Miami, Los Angeles, and Houston, just to name a few US cities, ready to be called

Fact- informants have admitted that Al Queida has 20 suitcase bombs within the American borders- this has also been confirmed in Europe (it wouldnt be too tough, only 3% of imports are checked by US Customs)

Fact- Osama has hired former Soviet and Pakistani nuclear scientists to help develop missiles
!!!!!

I'm waiting for the sources! are these these from the same sources that say Saddam has WMD, or from the ones that say Sudan's medicine factory was a chemichal weapon factory?

Fact- 80 % of the Muslims in the USA are of the Wahabi sect- the MOST radical sect of Islam.

I am concidered Wahabi because I am Saudi, but do I have these redical believes? nope. Neither do the thousands who live in the USA. I interact with these so called Radicals every day in the MSA (Muslim Student Assosiation) and in no way do they have radical ideas. Radicals have mostly come from this sect because of how the Islamic teachings were a bit twisted and influenced from terrible cultural morals. Most of us here in the US know better and even more don't follow Islamic teachings at all (not very religious).

Fact- Osama has PROMISED that the next attack on America will be NUCLEAR

Saddam has also promissed to defeat the US when the war started.

He's trying to instill fear.

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Perhaps, but dirty bombs are easier to produce. And if nukes really were used, I'd be more worried about the radiation that would kill people for decades afterwards.

Nuclear radiation that will kill people for decades afterwards is his whole idea..............

Imagine what would happen to the US if NYC was ravaged by a 10 kiloton suitcase nuke......... then imagine it simultaneously happening in 5 or 6 different cities at once.....................

We would fall as a nation..........

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++


You can claim this all day, but your still looking at things from one side of the spectrum. Sure, I am younger, but you're not the one who's lived on both sides of the world. you dont speak both of the languages invloved. You havn't interacted with the complete range of people I've interacted with.
You've been in NY when Sept !! Happned. I've been in Riyadh when scud missiles were flying over my house. I've been in Riyadh and heard the first of the bombs against the US targets. There were terrorist confrontation with Saudi forces at a 2 minute walking distance from where my family live. My home city where i've lived for 16 years upside down now because of what's going on. I know what goes on there now and I see it from the US perspecive too. I've never been brainwashed. I've always got CNN via satelite and Al-Jazeera just a few clicks away.


What you know, is only what you're fed at your neck of the woods.



I'm waiting for the sources! are these these from the same sources that say Saddam has WMD, or from the ones that say Sudan's medicine factory was a chemichal weapon factory?

I am concidered Wahabi because I am Saudi, but do I have these redical believes? nope. Neither do the thousands who live in the USA. I interact with these so called Radicals every day in the MSA (Muslim Student Assosiation) and in no way do they have radical ideas. Radicals have mostly come from this sect because of how the Islamic teachings were a bit twisted and influenced from terrible cultural morals. Most of us here in the US know better and even more don't follow Islamic teachings at all (not very religious).




Saddam has also promissed to defeat the US when the war started.

He's trying to instill fear.

Newsweek Majed, Newsweek.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Are you kidding me? Saddam was always a threat. He used Chemical Weapons on his own people for God's sake! What makes you think he would stop there? And in terms of hiding stashes of weapons, Iraq and Afghanistan are rather big countries ya know. Every inch of the mountains in those countries cannot be searched.

Oh come on, he used WMDs some 20 years ago AFAK. Does that mean that the US responds really slow, or that we should still consider Germany a threat

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Newsweek Majed, Newsweek.

here we go agian with the media...I'm talking about UN documents... stuff like that. the original sources...

 

[Zlatan]

And Majed, I believe that Bush asked or ordered the intelligence agencies to falsify those reports so that he could invade Iraq more than I believe that his decision was based on those reports.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Oh come on, he used WMDs some 20 years ago AFAK. Does that mean that the US responds really slow, or that we should still consider Germany a threat

Wasn't it 1989 or something? Please Zlatan, stop making Saddam look like an innocent man.

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++


You can claim this all day, but your still looking at things from one side of the spectrum. Sure, I am younger, but you're not the one who's lived on both sides of the world. you dont speak both of the languages invloved. You havn't interacted with the complete range of people I've interacted with.
You've been in NY when Sept !! Happned. I've been in Riyadh when scud missiles were flying over my house. I've been in Riyadh and heard the first of the bombs against the US targets. There were terrorist confrontation with Saudi forces at a 2 minute walking distance from where my family live. My home city where i've lived for 16 years upside down now because of what's going on. I know what goes on there now and I see it from the US perspecive too. I've never been brainwashed. I've always got both CNN internatioanal via satelite and Al-Jazeera just a few clicks away, and with what i see and who i talk to I know can cut all the BS out.


What you know, is only what you're fed at your neck of the woods.



I'm waiting for the sources! are these these from the same sources that say Saddam has WMD, or from the ones that say Sudan's medicine factory was a chemichal weapon factory?



I am concidered Wahabi because I am Saudi, but do I have these redical believes? nope. Neither do the thousands who live in the USA. I interact with these so called Radicals every day in the MSA (Muslim Student Assosiation) and in no way do they have radical ideas. Radicals have mostly come from this sect because of how the Islamic teachings were a bit twisted and influenced from terrible cultural morals. Most of us here in the US know better and even more don't follow Islamic teachings at all (not very religious).




Saddam has also promissed to defeat the US when the war started.

He's trying to instill fear.

Ask yourself 2 questions

1) does Bin Laden want to destroy the USA

2) did sept 11 happen ???

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++




here we go agian with the media...I'm talking about UN documents... stuff like that. the original sources...

From ex CIA agents, who were interviewed by Newsweek. UN documents are probably garbage anyway.

And you think that they would let classified info out to the Media?

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Wasn't it 1989 or something? Please Zlatan, stop making Saddam look like an innocent man.

That was 15 years ago, and you must remember that Iraq and its military was severely crippeled in the Gulf war. If he had WMDs he would have probably used them then.

And I'm not trying to make him look innocent, I'm just saying he isnt the anticrist you make him out to be, and even if he was, he wasnt a credible threat to the US.

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


Ask yourself 2 questions

1) does Bin Laden want to destroy the USA

2) did sept 11 happen ???

Yes and yes, but that doesnt change what Majed and I are trying to say.

 

[Vinman]

Whatever Zlatan and Majed, I speak the truth, and unfortunately we may find out that I was right sooner than we all think.........

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Read my above post Majed.

Some points about Somalia are understandable, but not your points on Liberia. Nigeria is certainly not a huge source of oil for us, so that makes no sense that we would commit thousands of troops to a country that has nothing to do with Nigeria.

read about what goes on and you'll see the Nigeria-Liberia link.

not a huge source you say? They are ranked 5th i believe of the countries we import oil from.

Not offense to you Majed, or any other people of Arab descent, but you all seem to share the same views that America is the enemy. I know a couple of Arab kids from Saudi Arabia, and they completely disagreed with the war on Iraq and our stance with oil demand. Its like a broken record after a while. They don't even listen to anybody knowledgable of the facts, sadly, the same views seem to be teached at an early age, and they never change.

USA as a whole, No.
The US gov's terrible forgien policy, Yes. The hypocricy with the Israeli issue is shamefull.

It's not just taught out of the blue at an early age by many fathers. Our gov's actions over the years is the cause. now it's backfiring! and the Bush admin. is in a hole and it's digging deeper everyday.

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++

Your welcome for helping to protect your SORRY ASS !!!!

shutting down on terrorists is one thing (Thank You), but voting for someone who'll make more enimies is another.