Alvaro Morata (62 Viewers)
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perfectly put
Jeeeeeeeeeez
United is so overpaying for every player they buy :facepalm2:
Bailly
Lindelof
Herrera
Mkhytaryan
Martial
Pogba
Now Morata for 75M?
Where is your scouting system seriously? Some players were also very high rated before they made a step to the clubs where United buys them from. Bailly, Mkhytaryan had also big name by Espanyol and Shaktar. They don't know that they are doing. No problem for me tho, hope tha clubs fails and get 1002i342904234902 million debt.
Bailly
Villareal bought for 6M
United 40M
Lindelof
Benfica bought for 3M
United 35M at least
Herrera
Bilbao payed 7.5M
United 35M
Mkhytaryan
Dortmund payed 22M
United 42M
Martial
Monaco payed 5M
United 50-80M
Pogba
Juventus signed him for free from United
United 100M+
Now Morata for 75M?
Where is your scouting system seriously? Some players were also very high rated before they made a step to the clubs where United buys them from. Bailly, Mkhytaryan had also big name by Espanyol and Shaktar. They don't know that they are doing. No problem for me tho, hope tha clubs fails and get 1002i342904234902 million debt.
I might not have been clear enough, mate. By 'midfield', I was referring to our entire CM in general. We only had a truly great midfield in 94, but that doesn't mean I don't rate Scholes. In fact, in all the years I've watched United, the only player I rate more than him is Keane.
In Scholes' prime from 06-11, we didn't really have a great midfield. He was class, don't get me wrong, but surrounding him were Carrick (good, but not elite), Giggs, and when healthy, Hargreaves and Fletcher. On the flip side, we always had (until 2012ish) great wingers. That's what I meant. I wouldn't dare criticize Scholes.
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This absolutely doesn't make sense. No big club actually has the leeway to risk signing, much less playing, unknown prospects just to save a few quid. Real Madrid just paid 35m for a Brazilian kid with a handful of games in Brazil - and they still let him stay at Brazil. Even Bayern couldn't give Hummels, their own youth player, a break so they were forced to buy him back after a few years. This isn't just a United phenomenon, it's a football wide phenomenon now.
Take Bailly for instance. Yes, we could afford to fork out the 6m Villareal signed him for, but will he actually get playing time for us at that stage of his career? Loans aren't a good option too as they fail (in the sense that the player doesn't get enough playing time/player thriving but not in the same system as ours) more often than not.
You also fail to consider that player improve. The 2010 Ander Herrera Bilbao got wasn't the same as the 2015 Herrera we signed.
If we overspend, what do you call the 130m City spent for Otemendi, Mangala and Stones? Or literally any Barca buy in the last 8 years outside of Masche, Neymar and Suarez? Like I already stated, more power to you, BVB and Bayern for building teams without going over the odds, but you are the exception. The norm nowadays is for talent to be polished in clubs like Everton or Valencia before the really big clubs poach them away.
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You pay the RC if you don't want to negotiate with the selling club or if the parent club doesn't want to 'sell'. Like in the case of Herera, we had no choice. Sevilla I guess bends over faster and better in negotiations, I honestly can't recall a similar thing ever happening
False. He was Chelsea's POTY from 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. We had him by January 2014.
It's true that he didn't want to come, but that doesn't mean that our fee was unjustified. Like I said, he was a monster, arguable RM's MVP, during the second half of their Decima season. Had a great world cup too. Was in his prime. We had no choice.
He was widely rated around the league and was already off to Chelsea at 27m I believe until we hijacked the deal. It's not like we threw money at him for no reason.
Right now? I'd say Mbappe and Dembele surpassed him. But as early as 17, Martial was hyped as the future. Chelsea, RM and PSG were also monitoring him. Again, it's not like we threw money at him for no reason.
Depay had already carried his team to a league title, not sure how that's risky at all. He had already proven a lot before joining us, but some things just don't work out.
Not sure if you've read this but yeah, already said we did overpay for him.
In Scholes' prime from 06-11, we didn't really have a great midfield. He was class, don't get me wrong, but surrounding him were Carrick (good, but not elite), Giggs, and when healthy, Hargreaves and Fletcher. On the flip side, we always had (until 2012ish) great wingers. That's what I meant. I wouldn't dare criticize Scholes.
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This absolutely doesn't make sense. No big club actually has the leeway to risk signing, much less playing, unknown prospects just to save a few quid. Real Madrid just paid 35m for a Brazilian kid with a handful of games in Brazil - and they still let him stay at Brazil. Even Bayern couldn't give Hummels, their own youth player, a break so they were forced to buy him back after a few years. This isn't just a United phenomenon, it's a football wide phenomenon now.
Take Bailly for instance. Yes, we could afford to fork out the 6m Villareal signed him for, but will he actually get playing time for us at that stage of his career? Loans aren't a good option too as they fail (in the sense that the player doesn't get enough playing time/player thriving but not in the same system as ours) more often than not.
You also fail to consider that player improve. The 2010 Ander Herrera Bilbao got wasn't the same as the 2015 Herrera we signed.
If we overspend, what do you call the 130m City spent for Otemendi, Mangala and Stones? Or literally any Barca buy in the last 8 years outside of Masche, Neymar and Suarez? Like I already stated, more power to you, BVB and Bayern for building teams without going over the odds, but you are the exception. The norm nowadays is for talent to be polished in clubs like Everton or Valencia before the really big clubs poach them away.
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You pay the RC if you don't want to negotiate with the selling club or if the parent club doesn't want to 'sell'. Like in the case of Herera, we had no choice. Sevilla I guess bends over faster and better in negotiations, I honestly can't recall a similar thing ever happening
False. He was Chelsea's POTY from 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. We had him by January 2014.
It's true that he didn't want to come, but that doesn't mean that our fee was unjustified. Like I said, he was a monster, arguable RM's MVP, during the second half of their Decima season. Had a great world cup too. Was in his prime. We had no choice.
He was widely rated around the league and was already off to Chelsea at 27m I believe until we hijacked the deal. It's not like we threw money at him for no reason.
Right now? I'd say Mbappe and Dembele surpassed him. But as early as 17, Martial was hyped as the future. Chelsea, RM and PSG were also monitoring him. Again, it's not like we threw money at him for no reason.
Depay had already carried his team to a league title, not sure how that's risky at all. He had already proven a lot before joining us, but some things just don't work out.
Not sure if you've read this but yeah, already said we did overpay for him.
I might not have been clear enough, mate. By 'midfield', I was referring to our entire CM in general. We only had a truly great midfield in 94, but that doesn't mean I don't rate Scholes. In fact, in all the years I've watched United, the only player I rate more than him is Keane.
In Scholes' prime from 06-11, we didn't really have a great midfield. He was class, don't get me wrong, but surrounding him were Carrick (good, but not elite), Giggs, and when healthy, Hargreaves and Fletcher. On the flip side, we always had (until 2012ish) great wingers. That's what I meant. I wouldn't dare criticize Scholes.
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This absolutely doesn't make sense. No big club actually has the leeway to risk signing, much less playing, unknown prospects just to save a few quid. Real Madrid just paid 35m for a Brazilian kid with a handful of games in Brazil - and they still let him stay at Brazil. Even Bayern couldn't give Hummels, their own youth player, a break so they were forced to buy him back after a few years. This isn't just a United phenomenon, it's a football wide phenomenon now.
Take Bailly for instance. Yes, we could afford to fork out the 6m Villareal signed him for, but will he actually get playing time for us at that stage of his career? Loans aren't a good option too as they fail (in the sense that the player doesn't get enough playing time/player thriving but not in the same system as ours) more often than not.
You also fail to consider that player improve. The 2010 Ander Herrera Bilbao got wasn't the same as the 2015 Herrera we signed.
If we overspend, what do you call the 130m City spent for Otemendi, Mangala and Stones? Or literally any Barca buy in the last 8 years outside of Masche, Neymar and Suarez? Like I already stated, more power to you, BVB and Bayern for building teams without going over the odds, but you are the exception. The norm nowadays is for talent to be polished in clubs like Everton or Valencia before the really big clubs poach them away.
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You pay the RC if you don't want to negotiate with the selling club or if the parent club doesn't want to 'sell'. Like in the case of Herera, we had no choice. Sevilla I guess bends over faster and better in negotiations, I honestly can't recall a similar thing ever happening
False. He was Chelsea's POTY from 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. We had him by January 2014.
It's true that he didn't want to come, but that doesn't mean that our fee was unjustified. Like I said, he was a monster, arguable RM's MVP, during the second half of their Decima season. Had a great world cup too. Was in his prime. We had no choice.
He was widely rated around the league and was already off to Chelsea at 27m I believe until we hijacked the deal. It's not like we threw money at him for no reason.
Right now? I'd say Mbappe and Dembele surpassed him. But as early as 17, Martial was hyped as the future. Chelsea, RM and PSG were also monitoring him. Again, it's not like we threw money at him for no reason.
Depay had already carried his team to a league title, not sure how that's risky at all. He had already proven a lot before joining us, but some things just don't work out.
Not sure if you've read this but yeah, already said we did overpay for him.
In Scholes' prime from 06-11, we didn't really have a great midfield. He was class, don't get me wrong, but surrounding him were Carrick (good, but not elite), Giggs, and when healthy, Hargreaves and Fletcher. On the flip side, we always had (until 2012ish) great wingers. That's what I meant. I wouldn't dare criticize Scholes.
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This absolutely doesn't make sense. No big club actually has the leeway to risk signing, much less playing, unknown prospects just to save a few quid. Real Madrid just paid 35m for a Brazilian kid with a handful of games in Brazil - and they still let him stay at Brazil. Even Bayern couldn't give Hummels, their own youth player, a break so they were forced to buy him back after a few years. This isn't just a United phenomenon, it's a football wide phenomenon now.
Take Bailly for instance. Yes, we could afford to fork out the 6m Villareal signed him for, but will he actually get playing time for us at that stage of his career? Loans aren't a good option too as they fail (in the sense that the player doesn't get enough playing time/player thriving but not in the same system as ours) more often than not.
You also fail to consider that player improve. The 2010 Ander Herrera Bilbao got wasn't the same as the 2015 Herrera we signed.
If we overspend, what do you call the 130m City spent for Otemendi, Mangala and Stones? Or literally any Barca buy in the last 8 years outside of Masche, Neymar and Suarez? Like I already stated, more power to you, BVB and Bayern for building teams without going over the odds, but you are the exception. The norm nowadays is for talent to be polished in clubs like Everton or Valencia before the really big clubs poach them away.
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You pay the RC if you don't want to negotiate with the selling club or if the parent club doesn't want to 'sell'. Like in the case of Herera, we had no choice. Sevilla I guess bends over faster and better in negotiations, I honestly can't recall a similar thing ever happening
False. He was Chelsea's POTY from 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. We had him by January 2014.
It's true that he didn't want to come, but that doesn't mean that our fee was unjustified. Like I said, he was a monster, arguable RM's MVP, during the second half of their Decima season. Had a great world cup too. Was in his prime. We had no choice.
He was widely rated around the league and was already off to Chelsea at 27m I believe until we hijacked the deal. It's not like we threw money at him for no reason.
Right now? I'd say Mbappe and Dembele surpassed him. But as early as 17, Martial was hyped as the future. Chelsea, RM and PSG were also monitoring him. Again, it's not like we threw money at him for no reason.
Depay had already carried his team to a league title, not sure how that's risky at all. He had already proven a lot before joining us, but some things just don't work out.
Not sure if you've read this but yeah, already said we did overpay for him.
There are countless of players with release clauses that have gone for less. In Spain the release clause is usually unrealistically high so that only a stupid team would pay it (in the case of Herrera it was about fair imo).
Mata was shit for Chelsea before he was moved to ManU. He couldn't get games under Mou and mostly spent his time on the bench. Jose multiple times criticized Mata's effort and work-rate. Chelsea wouldn't have sold him to an inferior team if he still was important to them but he just wasn't and that is a fact, not some false reality you try to build yourself in order to feel better about your teams huge shortcomings in the last couple of years.
