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TheTruth

Junior Member
Aug 24, 2015
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Players like Brazilian Ronaldo, Shevechenko, eto, nistelrooy and especially raul played with amazing players too. I wouldnt say XAvi and iniesta are better than zidane and ronaldinho and deco. If anything the manunited Nistelrooy was in arguably had a better squad than Ronaldo's. In other words, my point is that the older generation had star-studded squads as well.


Moreover, If you look at Pep's barca and current madrid you'll see that Messi and ronaldo are the only ones that have crazy numbers of goals and you can always see how the team's goal scoring ability is diminished in their absence. Players like Cavani, Ibra, Aguero, Suarez, Benzema would be world class players in any generation but still none of them can come close to the goal scoring feats of Messi and Ronaldo. Today we have star studded teams like PSG, City, Chelsea and yet their top scorers aren't able to reach the effectiveness of Ronaldo and Messi.

I do not doubt that the sports and medical sciences have advanced a lot over the last decade and that the ball, modern pitches and contemporary attacking strategies favor current strikers over the previous generations however these advances affect all players at top clubs today and yet only two players seem to be on a level of their own far away from all the other super stars. They arent just pure goal scorers either, they also assist a lot (messi especially) and have a very wide range of skills. Whichever way you look at it, Messi and Ronaldo are anomalies.
I agree with many of your points. But Deco was never even close to what Iniesta and Xavi were in their primes.

Also, Shevchenko, Raul, Nistelrooy and Brazilian Ronaldo were not the physical specimens that Messi and Cristiano are, especially Cristiano.

I also question if Zidane and Ronaldinho had the defensive IQ to play in that high line setup of Barca, each indivual in Pep's side were very underrated defensively..

My conclusion is the same as yours, I can't comment on Di Stefano, Gerd Muller and Pele etc cause I never witnessed them. Im pretty sure though even they haven't seen someone as good as Messi and Cristiano.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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I agree with many of your points. But Deco was never even close to what Iniesta and Xavi were in their primes.

Also, Shevchenko, Raul, Nistelrooy and Brazilian Ronaldo were not the physical specimens that Messi and Cristiano are, especially Cristiano.

I also question if Zidane and Ronaldinho had the defensive IQ to play in that high line setup of Barca, each indivual in Pep's side were very underrated defensively..

My conclusion is the same as yours, I can't comment on Di Stefano, Gerd Muller and Pele etc cause I never witnessed them. Im pretty sure though even they haven't seen someone as good as Messi and Cristiano.
I agree about the physical specimen. Very few players can play that many games a year at any level let alone at their level. The huge gap in fitness and stamina might also account for their crazy goal scoring. Every game in the league, in Europe and in the cup and they never seem tired. They only stop when its an actual injury. Javier Zannetti is the only player that I have ever seen with such stamina in the previous generations.
 

pogba10

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Sep 28, 2015
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I agree with many of your points. But Deco was never even close to what Iniesta and Xavi were in their primes.

Also, Shevchenko, Raul, Nistelrooy and Brazilian Ronaldo were not the physical specimens that Messi and Cristiano are, especially Cristiano.

I also question if Zidane and Ronaldinho had the defensive IQ to play in that high line setup of Barca, each indivual in Pep's side were very underrated defensively..

My conclusion is the same as yours, I can't comment on Di Stefano, Gerd Muller and Pele etc cause I never witnessed them. Im pretty sure though even they haven't seen someone as good as Messi and Cristiano.
Man, brazilian Ronaldo shouldn't be put in the same list as Raul and others!
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
38,216
I'm saying his hamstrings were to weak compared to his weight and speed. His quads and especially calfs are allright, but his hams arent.


Nearly every time you see this freak injury when its not caused by a scissor tackle, its when the hamstrings arent strong enough to handle it.



But the point is, that hamstrings are very largely the most underrated muscle in the body, usually neglected completely.

I find that when my core is on point and I've been doing enough hollow holds and planks and stuff my hamstrings automatically fire much harder than my quads during running. You see the same thing in athletes with nice core development, they all have an excellent posterior chain too. Cristiano Ronaldo would be the first example that comes to mind.

As for the posterior chain preventing injuries.. Yeah, my personal experience has been that I do not only play significantly better when I spend time developing the posterior chain, my hips and knees also feel a lot more stable. You do however still get freak injuries. If someone tackles you at the knee, your knee might give way at some point.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,711
We have plenty turds like him in our history.Ibra first,Emerson,Viera and more....
But theres a difference...

they left to a rival team... yeh anyone can do that....

Melo on the other hand is a very peculiar type of moron. Dont you remember him talking trash about juve and his teammates in the last games of his last seaosn here? He was still a juve player.
 

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