Alvaro Morata (102 Viewers)

want him back again for cheap?


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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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If we have ambitions then we shouldn't be selling our best players and talents. And even if we do for investment purposes, what's to say it will be invested properly? Seems to me we look for rejects at other clubs or deals that no other big club is interested in. So in short, your post is definitely very cheery and hopeychangy.
Notice the end. I say I'll be pissed if we lose Morata. I said I found the Coman deal pointless and baffling. I won't be happy about these things, but our club is trying to grow, and to get a player like Morata, we had to accept a shitty buyback. Accepting that buyback helped us make close to 100 mil in the CL last year, and grow our revenue massively. Hopefully as shown by Tuesday, it will help us grow our revenue again this year, and show we can make another good champion's league run.

If we lose him to the buyback, i'll be pissed as I love this player, but we'll replace him. Who knows if the replacement will work out, but hopefully next time, with increased revenue and having made an extra 10-15mil we can afford a 30-40 or even 50 mil young striker. And yes, there is a risk in that, but hopefully we invest wisely.

Of course we look for rejects and deals. Hence the reason we got Morata, Cuadrado, Pogba, Tevez, etc. But we also get our fair share of in demand players, like Vidal, Pereyra, Alex Sandro. Do you not get that we're searching for such deals because we're trying to spend wisely and with some thriftiness in order to not spend ourselves in to FFP trouble or bankruptcy. We're trying to be a break even operation long-term, without a sugar daddy owner. And so we aren't going crazy spending each year. As we do better and better, and grow our revenue, we'll continue to invest more and more in the transfer market and in developing a better and better youth academy.

So far, our strategy is clearly working as we have gone from two 7th place finishes to 4 straight scudetti, a CL QF, and a CL final. Yeah. I'd say we're on the right path. And deals like Morata, and opportunism with good deals, and other club's rejects who we see good potential in will help us continue on this path very well. Eventually we will get past having to depend on such deals if we keep growing.

Nothing I have said here is unreasonable. It's clearly the club's strategy, and it's clearly working right now. Who the fuck knows if it will continue working. You can be as negative about as you want, but that doesn't mean you're right. And me choosing to hope for the better outcome and have optimism doesn't mean I'm right. I said we had a shit mercato. We did. But hopefully in the end the transition will pay dividends, as will these kind of deals.
 

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Dont tell me you are fine with us losing him due to this clause?

No one will be fine or happy with it. I sure won't. But we'll move on. And we'll find a new player, and hopefully it will work out for us. The club is using deals like this to try to grow, without spending a fortune. We probably could have bought Morata for 30-40 mil without a buyback last year, but imagine the meltdown here if that had happened. People would have freaked about spending that on a Madrid reject. People freaked about us even purchasing him ignoring the buyback saying he sucked. Hindsight. I would have been skeptical myself about having spent 30-40 on him. Now, it looks like it would have been a great thing to do. Unfortunately we didn't even have the money to do that last summer.

As I said, these kind of deals are made so we can get players like this without spending a fortune. Hopefully as we do better and better, and grow our revenue these kind of deals won't be necessary in the future.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Dont tell me you are fine with us losing him due to this clause?
I'm not, it would suck as it did with Coman's deal. But, I remain confident we will find/have a solution at that time hence why I find the knee-jerking an entire year early absolutely absurd.

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No one will be fine or happy with it. I sure won't. But we'll move on. And we'll find a new player, and hopefully it will work out for us. The club is using deals like this to try to grow, without spending a fortune. We probably could have bought Morata for 30-40 mil without a buyback last year, but imagine the meltdown here if that had happened. People would have freaked about spending that on a Madrid reject. People freaked about us even purchasing him ignoring the buyback saying he sucked. Hindsight. I would have been skeptical myself about having spent 30-40 on him. Now, it looks like it would have been a great thing to do. Unfortunately we didn't even have the money to do that last summer.

As I said, these kind of deals are made so we can get players like this without spending a fortune. Hopefully as we do better and better, and grow our revenue these kind of deals won't be necessary in the future.
We are always on the same page, lately...but sometimes on a different paragraph...but still on the same page. :D
 
Mar 30, 2006
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People have this strange idea that if we lose this or that player we'll be mediocre forever. We'll never get an adequate replacement or some other such nonsense.

While I must confess to finding the COman deal somewhat baffling and pointless especially considering 4-3-3 seems a viable formation for Allegri... The Morata deal was a very good deal to make. We wouldn't have got him without the buyback.

And for people saying it makes us a small club... Nope. It means we're a club with ambitions to get bigger and bigger. And buyback type deals help us grow to the point we won't need to make them anymore in the future. We buy Morata for 20 mil and he plays a huge role in getting us to a CL final, and who knows this season, and then Madrid takes up their buyback, now we have 30 mil to spend on our next striker. Or more, as our revenue grows. Such deals are low cost, guaranteed revenue deals, and they help us continue to grow our revenue and get back towards the top clubs in the world.

Of course, I'll be pissed if Real does buy him back, because I love this player, but we'll move on, we'll find a replacement, our revenue will continue to grow, and we'll continue to do well. That much seems obvious.
Great post. I am hoping Morata will request to stay as Madrid might be a problem for him once they take him from being a starter to being in competition for a starting spot with Benzema. Unless Madrid sell Benzema and bring Morata as his direct replacement which would be smart of them because they could get 50 or 60 million for Benzema and then take Morata for half that.

Fingers crossed we keep Morata at Juve. He can become a legend here in a partnership with Dybala for the next decade and I think he can see things are so good here. Why would he want to leave and go back to an uncertain and unstable situation. At any moment Madrid can buy 2 players for 50 million and you are on the bench or fire the coach who played you and hire someone who has no plans for you.
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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What? :lol: No, he isn't.

The second part I agree, well, kind of. There are plenty better strikers around but they're all older and will cost close to what you mentioned.

Although who's to say we can't find another promising youngster? Atlético paid about the same for Vietto.
It would be a shame a to have to rely on another promising youngster all over again. It's high time we had a world class CF in his prime play for us. Cavani needs to come to Juve.
 

Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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Great post. I am hoping Morata will request to stay as Madrid might be a problem for him once they take him from being a starter to being in competition for a starting spot with Benzema. Unless Madrid sell Benzema and bring Morata as his direct replacement which would be smart of them because they could get 50 or 60 million for Benzema and then take Morata for half that.

Fingers crossed we keep Morata at Juve. He can become a legend here in a partnership with Dybala for the next decade and I think he can see things are so good here. Why would he want to leave and go back to an uncertain and unstable situation. At any moment Madrid can buy 2 players for 50 million and you are on the bench or fire the coach who played you and hire someone who has no plans for you.
Madrid would be idiots if they sell Benzema to bring in morata to make a 20mill profit. Thats peanuts for them and Benzema is substantially the better player.
 
Mar 30, 2006
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Apart from the Marotta apologists we all knew that we were pawned in that deal, since the day it happened.
Our best chance was that Moratas hype would fade out a bit and RM would forget him.
Now this hope is oficcially vanished. So we have actually replaced Tevez, Llorente and Morata with Dybala, Mandzukic and Zaza and somehow we only took 10~15+0+10 and gave 35~40+18~20+18,
So we roughly payed 50mil for the downgrade...
We were lucky to get Tevez for so cheap and Llorente for free. Their fees dont equate their skill and we can't use those fees as a measuring stick for the players we bought. We did well to sign Mandzukic and Dybala for the fees we got them for. I feel you know this though and you are just trying to be critical.

Also Tevez is 31 and Dybala is 21 so if you spread Dybala's transfer fee and wages which are less than half of what we paid Tevez is it really bad? Also Llorente was no wheren ear the level of Mandz. Morata we need to wait to see what will happen. Pretty sure he is still on our team ...

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Madrid would be idiots if they sell Benzema to bring in morata to make a 20mill profit. Thats peanuts for them and Benzema is substantially the better player.
I am hoping this is what keeps him here. I dont see Morata wanting to join Madrid with them using Benzema as a starter and Ronaldo playing as a striker too. If he played in their starting 11 he would be forced to be a midfielder or winger probably like Isco or James are. Things are good for him at Juve.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Madrid would be idiots if they sell Benzema to bring in morata to make a 20mill profit. Thats peanuts for them and Benzema is substantially the better player.
Next summer, perhaps. They have a buyback clause for the next two summers, though. In two summers from now, Cristiano Ronaldo will be 32 towards 33. If he won't leave then or by then, he'll surely be on a downhill and not the same player he is or used to be. Lots of changes will happen in Real's attack once this time comes when Ronaldo leaves Real or stops being in beast mode. With Benzema also being 30 then, a 24/25 years old Morata for 25-30 million is going to be the most logical thing to do for Real.
Our struggle will be to keep Morata next summer. I have no hope that we'll keep him in 2017.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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We're talking big money territory here though I mean, Aguero will cost insane money.
Real in the last 7-8 yrs have only focused on getting young 23-24 yr old superstars.
If they are to target their next galactico move, I'd bet my money on Hazard than Aguero who has persistent injury problems.
I see what you are saying, but if Agüero has another big year it wouldn't surprise me to see him back in Madrid. In fact a knowledgeable Madrid supporter I know is pretty sure that he is the only striker they would consider, and they love adding attackers.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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I see what you are saying, but if Agüero has another big year it wouldn't surprise me to see him back in Madrid. In fact a knowledgeable Madrid supporter I know is pretty sure that he is the only striker they would consider, and they love adding attackers.
Well, next year is Euro 2016 and RM loves to bring brightest players from WC/Euro for ridiculous amount of money. So Lacazette and Fekir is quite possible also (I think this France team will do really good) .
 

only-juve

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Jan 5, 2008
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Next summer, perhaps. They have a buyback clause for the next two summers, though. In two summers from now, Cristiano Ronaldo will be 32 towards 33. If he won't leave then or by then, he'll surely be on a downhill and not the same player he is or used to be. Lots of changes will happen in Real's attack once this time comes when Ronaldo leaves Real or stops being in beast mode. With Benzema also being 30 then, a 24/25 years old Morata for 25-30 million is going to be the most logical thing to do for Real.
Our struggle will be to keep Morata next summer. I have no hope that we'll keep him in 2017.
thought all along that we gave them an option for only 2 seasons ! Meaning that option will end by the end of next summer.

But if it's not the case, and we gave them an option until 2007 summer then Marotta had really really lost his mind.
 

RAMI-N

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Aug 22, 2006
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thought all along that we gave them an option for only 2 seasons ! Meaning that option will end by the end of next summer.

But if it's not the case, and we gave them an option until 2007 summer then Marotta had really really lost his mind.
They had the options for 2016, 2017.
 

Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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Next summer, perhaps. They have a buyback clause for the next two summers, though. In two summers from now, Cristiano Ronaldo will be 32 towards 33. If he won't leave then or by then, he'll surely be on a downhill and not the same player he is or used to be. Lots of changes will happen in Real's attack once this time comes when Ronaldo leaves Real or stops being in beast mode. With Benzema also being 30 then, a 24/25 years old Morata for 25-30 million is going to be the most logical thing to do for Real.
Our struggle will be to keep Morata next summer. I have no hope that we'll keep him in 2017.
It would still be an open question whether he is at the level that can start for Madrid. In 2-3 years Madrid will probably spend massively again, getting the best fully developed talents in the world. If Morata is amongst them then yeah they'll buy him back. If he is not then we will probably sell him to someone else. I dont expect him to stay with us for more than 4 years anyway the question is whether he will go on the cheap (to madrid) or not .
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Next summer, perhaps. They have a buyback clause for the next two summers, though. In two summers from now, Cristiano Ronaldo will be 32 towards 33. If he won't leave then or by then, he'll surely be on a downhill and not the same player he is or used to be. Lots of changes will happen in Real's attack once this time comes when Ronaldo leaves Real or stops being in beast mode. With Benzema also being 30 then, a 24/25 years old Morata for 25-30 million is going to be the most logical thing to do for Real.
Our struggle will be to keep Morata next summer. I have no hope that we'll keep him in 2017.
Where Morata stands here? He can reject them next summer I assume.
 

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