Alessio Secco (10 Viewers)
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that's exactly what i was thinking! BS, and nothing more. Can't believe there are people here who actually think they know better than deschamps, or know why secco didn't sign this or that player. Statements like 'deschamps was sacked because he wanted gerrard', 'secco couldn't get the players xxx wanted'... come on? Just think for two seconds before posting all this crap... I will not say that secco or ranieri are great businessman or whatever, but get into your heads that the transfer market itself, is not a thing where you pick players, buy whatever somebody wants, or anything. It's a complicated, and complex procedure, and no one of us has ANY idea how it works. There is a multitude of factors involved in what we describe as 'signing a player'. there is a transfer fee, bonuses, wages, player characteristics, agents trying to get money out of everything, marketing, share holders, marketing and i'm stopping right now because i'm boring myself. i could go on for another hour, and i'm not even joking.
So please... you (and me) don't know shit about anything what's going on behind the scenes and interviews à la 'I'd love to play along with del piero' (how often have i heard that sentence....) - instead of blaming anyone, try to understand how it works, and it will all become much clearer to you!
So please... you (and me) don't know shit about anything what's going on behind the scenes and interviews à la 'I'd love to play along with del piero' (how often have i heard that sentence....) - instead of blaming anyone, try to understand how it works, and it will all become much clearer to you!
If you think Ranieri calls the shots, your a fool. Ranieri has little or no power at the club at all. His views on signings are more or less worthless. Why do you think Ranieri always comes out once every few days saying "we don't need any players" Because he wants to keep his Job. Why do you think Deschamps was forced to leave the club? Because he wanted his own players and was'nt a yes man, Deschamps wanted to sign Yaya Toure, Toni and Millito, but Elkann does not intended to invest serious money in the club, therefore he had no choice. Hence why we ended up with the likes of Almiron, Tiago & Andrade. As for VDV, In fact we did'nt even make an offer for VDV, although he stated several times he would be willing to join us, had we made contact with hamburg during last summer(yes the same time we signed the great Almiron) and during last the winter market. And BTW we could have signed VDV for a mere 12million euros, but hey secco brought another defensive midfielder in Poulsen.
This is not a hypothesis, watching Juve for decades ad taking a close look of what happened the last years, we can tell for sure that these arguments are justified,
they are observations, not assumptions!
We dont actually know him, we cant tell how much info he has available to make those judgements, he might considered every single factor we did (vimo+previous discussions) and a hundred more.
Every Forum member has the right to have an opinion and i dont want to see anyone getting bashed, only because he has no friends and a small post count...
We are here to talk about Juve, we have the right to talk about Juve dodnt we?
Grande never claimed he knows any better than any of us, but he sure has the right to have an opinion and the right to express her, this is a public forum, not a specialist forum...
Moggi,Baldini,Galliani and Secco might have their "forum", but we have ours and we have the right to express an opinion, if we dont, they why are we here???
I am not calling anyone to stop picking up on the young ones
(though you shouldnt, since this is strictly Bes's duty)
But lately too much shit about no one, non specialist, is supposed to have an opinion, flies all over the place...
its football ffs, everyone has an opinion about it:xmas:
And are we supposed to be here to discuss about such things.
A mean whats the point to discuss about a match that we wont participate, since we are not all footballers, arent we?
Whats the point of discussing about formations since we are not going to pick it, CR will not listen us and we are not tacticians anyway.
Hell, close all the forums and let only the off topic one...
Stop intimidating young members, when they are trying to express their opinion!
(though you shouldnt, since this is strictly Bes's duty)
But lately too much shit about no one, non specialist, is supposed to have an opinion, flies all over the place...
its football ffs, everyone has an opinion about it:xmas:
And are we supposed to be here to discuss about such things.
A mean whats the point to discuss about a match that we wont participate, since we are not all footballers, arent we?
Whats the point of discussing about formations since we are not going to pick it, CR will not listen us and we are not tacticians anyway.
Hell, close all the forums and let only the off topic one...
Stop intimidating young members, when they are trying to express their opinion!
Juve: Tiago ruined transfer plans channel 4
Friday 22 August, 2008
Alessio Secco admits Juventus’ transfer policy now “depends on Tiago” after he turned down a solid move to Everton.
“We will not be signing anyone else, unless we resolve the Tiago situation,” confessed the director of sport on Radio Kiss Kiss this evening.
“As you all know, he rejected the transfer to Everton, a club with whom we had already reached an agreement on all terms.
“We still have time until September 1 to find a solution, though.”
Secco could not make it any clearer that Tiago Mendes is not a part of Juve’s plans for this season and his decision to reject the Everton switch has infuriated the side.
He has been an expensive flop since joining from Olympique Lyonnais for £8m last summer and it is no secret that Claudio Ranieri has given him his last chance to shine.
Juventus director of sport Secco also commented on rumours that Napoli have offered Maurizio Domizzi in exchange for Paolo De Ceglie.
“Absolutely not. De Ceglie is a player we are focusing on for the present and the future. Domizzi is an excellent defender, but we are happy with that area of the squad and will in certainly not be bringing in anyone else.”
The situation might have been different had Giorgio Chiellini’s knee injury been more serious, but he is expected back in action in around two months.
Friday 22 August, 2008
Alessio Secco admits Juventus’ transfer policy now “depends on Tiago” after he turned down a solid move to Everton.
“We will not be signing anyone else, unless we resolve the Tiago situation,” confessed the director of sport on Radio Kiss Kiss this evening.
“As you all know, he rejected the transfer to Everton, a club with whom we had already reached an agreement on all terms.
“We still have time until September 1 to find a solution, though.”
Secco could not make it any clearer that Tiago Mendes is not a part of Juve’s plans for this season and his decision to reject the Everton switch has infuriated the side.
He has been an expensive flop since joining from Olympique Lyonnais for £8m last summer and it is no secret that Claudio Ranieri has given him his last chance to shine.
Juventus director of sport Secco also commented on rumours that Napoli have offered Maurizio Domizzi in exchange for Paolo De Ceglie.
“Absolutely not. De Ceglie is a player we are focusing on for the present and the future. Domizzi is an excellent defender, but we are happy with that area of the squad and will in certainly not be bringing in anyone else.”
The situation might have been different had Giorgio Chiellini’s knee injury been more serious, but he is expected back in action in around two months.
You said Ranieri didnt call the shots.You've ended up generalizing the entire transfer structure of Italian teams by comparing it with the transfer power EPL managers had,which is incorrect.Ofcourse EPL managers have more control over their transfers,but claiming that Ranieri's input is worthless is absoloute bullshit.I repeat,Ranieri did NOT want Van Der Vaart.Did we sign him?No.Unless ofcourse you're confusing this forum with a Real Madrid forum.
You claim to have divine knowledge on what the managment's been feeding Ranieri,which is quite laughable to be honest.Ranieri wanted Sissoko,Poulsen and Amauri.Secco got them for him.Ranieri didnt want VDV.He wasnt purchased.Deschamps may not have been an idiot,but his transfer targets unrealistic to begin with.Using the transfer fees for Toni,Milito and Toure as your argument is very weak.The question here isnt about the money.It's about the postion Bayern Munich and Barcelona were in.They were in a much stable position than us,and these players would have always preffered going to these teams than coming over to a team that just got promoted back to Serie A.If his comment about Gerrard does not show you how badly he wanted him at Juventus,then i dont know how else to convince you of his unrealistic transfer targets.
Players like Tiago,Almiron and Andrade arent bigger players than Toni,Milito and Toure,therefore it was easier getting them.And no these werent crap transfers.Everyone here was glad with Almiron's transfer.Everyone here was happy with Andrade's transfer.No one was against Tiago's transfer.The fact that Almiron flopped,Tiago was a shadow of his real self,and Andrade got a big injury is not Secco's fault.These were good,if not great transfers for a team that had just been promoted back into Serie A.What happened on the pitch in the season that followed with form and injuries is NOT Secco's fault.Would you have blamed Secco too had we somehow managed to sign Gerrard,Toni,Toure and Milito?I'm sure you woudl have,since it's Alessio Secco,and it's our divine duty to make him the scapegoat for everything that happens.
The Alonso situation is debatable.The season has not even started as yet and you cant say for sure what Ranieri would use this season.Ofcourse Alonso would have been a great purchase,but we have Giovinco in our team.If he is played in the right manner,and if he is allowed to play his natural game,we might not have creative problems that people love moaning about.What happens in this season remains to be seen.All we can do is speculate right now.And Juventus tried all they could to get Alonso.They met the agent,agreed a deal and everything.Are they to be blamed if Liverpool werent settling for a price?Sure it would have been great to dish out the extra cash that Liverpool wanted,but you had contrasting reports over the sum Liverpool were settling for/the sum they actually wanted.We cant be sure about what actually happened there.We did what we could to get Alonso.The fact that Liverpool didnt cave in is not down to Secco alone.
It is understandable to some extent, because I'm sure he is extremely frustrated at having set up the deal with Everton only for Tiago to scupper it.
One would have thought that a quick word with Tiago's agent, as soon as Everton became intersted woud have been a good idea, to find out if Tiago was willing to go back to England.
One would have thought that a quick word with Tiago's agent, as soon as Everton became intersted woud have been a good idea, to find out if Tiago was willing to go back to England.
