Airport Outrage (2 Viewers)
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Bullshit.
You are defending sexual assault on the general public, including children. This whole "then don't fly" is utter nonsense considering you don't waive your civil liberties because you buy a plane ticket, or any other product. Just because you eat dinner at a restaurant does not make it legal for Paco the server to start molesting your children.
DA's around the country are ready and willing to prosecute these cases, which is a good thing.
I personally will not fly while this nonsense is going on. Many other folks will not either. Just like the stupid Carbon Tax movement, all this will do is wreck the economy even further. And for what reason? All because some "unnamed" US agency ordered that Mutallab take a seat on a plane to Detroit, just one week before Chertoff's body scanners were ready to go.
Perhaps not all TSA workers are evil. They are just following orders like the Nazis were.
You are defending sexual assault on the general public, including children. This whole "then don't fly" is utter nonsense considering you don't waive your civil liberties because you buy a plane ticket, or any other product. Just because you eat dinner at a restaurant does not make it legal for Paco the server to start molesting your children.
DA's around the country are ready and willing to prosecute these cases, which is a good thing.
I personally will not fly while this nonsense is going on. Many other folks will not either. Just like the stupid Carbon Tax movement, all this will do is wreck the economy even further. And for what reason? All because some "unnamed" US agency ordered that Mutallab take a seat on a plane to Detroit, just one week before Chertoff's body scanners were ready to go.
Perhaps not all TSA workers are evil. They are just following orders like the Nazis were.
Bullshit.
You are defending sexual assault on the general public, including children. This whole "then don't fly" is utter nonsense considering you don't waive your civil liberties because you buy a plane ticket, or any other product. Just because you eat dinner at a restaurant does not make it legal for Paco the server to start molesting your children.
DA's around the country are ready and willing to prosecute these cases, which is a good thing.
I personally will not fly while this nonsense is going on. Many other folks will not either. Just like the stupid Carbon Tax movement, all this will do is wreck the economy even further. And for what reason? All because some "unnamed" US agency ordered that Mutallab take a seat on a plane to Detroit, just one week before Chertoff's body scanners were ready to go.
Perhaps not all TSA workers are evil. They are just following orders like the Nazis were.
You are defending sexual assault on the general public, including children. This whole "then don't fly" is utter nonsense considering you don't waive your civil liberties because you buy a plane ticket, or any other product. Just because you eat dinner at a restaurant does not make it legal for Paco the server to start molesting your children.
DA's around the country are ready and willing to prosecute these cases, which is a good thing.
I personally will not fly while this nonsense is going on. Many other folks will not either. Just like the stupid Carbon Tax movement, all this will do is wreck the economy even further. And for what reason? All because some "unnamed" US agency ordered that Mutallab take a seat on a plane to Detroit, just one week before Chertoff's body scanners were ready to go.
Perhaps not all TSA workers are evil. They are just following orders like the Nazis were.
So yeah, it's a pain in the ass inconvenience for the 10 billion non-incidents to compensate for the one incident. Even if you use a probability-weighted impact analysis, we're spending a lot of money and inconvenience for little return. But I'd go after the shoe thing long before I'd go after the scan-my-nads thing.
Some kids can't even get into schools without having chest X-rays and TB scans. I can't even get into concerts without a pat down and wish I had the option to be scanned. Even kids can't get in some stadiums and events without a pat-down our search. But put it on an airplane, and people act like this was the first invention of this behavior.
Either get the scan, don't fly, or shut up about it if you don't want the pat down. Some of the biggest crybaby pussies on this issue are on the opposite side than you think.
Of course, Sunday I'm flying to South Africa, where even the scans we do at stadiums in the U.S. are against the civil rights of the constitution there.
I'm quite ok with that....especially when it's hot chicks.
But the above is not really an invasion of privacy. I think what people have a problem with is that they're being unnecessarily invasive and inappropriate. It's no 1984 but it's just reminiscent of it. And them not letting you decide to go back to the scan if you refuse it the first time is just ridiculous. What is the point of that? Aren't the scans state of the art or whatnot?
EDIT: Just read your last post. Disregard the above.
But the above is not really an invasion of privacy. I think what people have a problem with is that they're being unnecessarily invasive and inappropriate. It's no 1984 but it's just reminiscent of it. And them not letting you decide to go back to the scan if you refuse it the first time is just ridiculous. What is the point of that? Aren't the scans state of the art or whatnot?
EDIT: Just read your last post. Disregard the above.
If you're going to bitch about the scanners, bitch about the radiation levels. My med school alma mater, UCSF, just published a decent study on them.
But privacy concerns? In an era of teens rampantly sexting each other? And that stuff getting out all over the Internet anyway?
Even just enter a federal building, and you're subject to scanning and a potential pat down. This whole thing seems like a bunch of pantywaists with double-standards to me.
By the way, ALC, are you Irish? Is your last name "O'Haulic"? Because I'd say have a beer, take your photo, and move on. Otherwise, a bunch of sexting, porn-surfing maniacs aren't going to convince me that they're suddenly prudish Puritans.
But privacy concerns? In an era of teens rampantly sexting each other? And that stuff getting out all over the Internet anyway?
Even just enter a federal building, and you're subject to scanning and a potential pat down. This whole thing seems like a bunch of pantywaists with double-standards to me.
By the way, ALC, are you Irish? Is your last name "O'Haulic"? Because I'd say have a beer, take your photo, and move on. Otherwise, a bunch of sexting, porn-surfing maniacs aren't going to convince me that they're suddenly prudish Puritans.
Yes and no. I didn't go for a medical degree, but I was a student at UCSF in addition to UC Berkeley in graduate school. UCSF is a medical school -- there are no undergraduates, but then there are people getting graduate degrees in biochemistry there, for example.
I think the ALC O'Haulic has potential.
I get pissed off about a lot of things. For some reason, this isn't one of them.
Good line. 
I personally don't mind the scanners. Just saying I understand what pisses off people about it. I could care less if someone saw my dick, but little kids being touched is kinda suspect.
I personally don't mind the scanners. Just saying I understand what pisses off people about it. I could care less if someone saw my dick, but little kids being touched is kinda suspect.
I get pissed off about a lot of things. For some reason, this isn't one of them.
Oh, the whole airport security thing is theater, no question. It's a charade that does more to leave passengers with the illusion of safety than it does, say, prevent an airport employee from sneaking weapons through the back door.
So yeah, it's a pain in the ass inconvenience for the 10 billion non-incidents to compensate for the one incident. Even if you use a probability-weighted impact analysis, we're spending a lot of money and inconvenience for little return. But I'd go after the shoe thing long before I'd go after the scan-my-nads thing.
Some kids can't even get into schools without having chest X-rays and TB scans. I can't even get into concerts without a pat down and wish I had the option to be scanned. Even kids can't get in some stadiums and events without a pat-down our search. But put it on an airplane, and people act like this was the first invention of this behavior.
Either get the scan, don't fly, or shut up about it if you don't want the pat down. Some of the biggest crybaby pussies on this issue are on the opposite side than you think.
Of course, Sunday I'm flying to South Africa, where even the scans we do at stadiums in the U.S. are against the civil rights of the constitution there.
So yeah, it's a pain in the ass inconvenience for the 10 billion non-incidents to compensate for the one incident. Even if you use a probability-weighted impact analysis, we're spending a lot of money and inconvenience for little return. But I'd go after the shoe thing long before I'd go after the scan-my-nads thing.
Some kids can't even get into schools without having chest X-rays and TB scans. I can't even get into concerts without a pat down and wish I had the option to be scanned. Even kids can't get in some stadiums and events without a pat-down our search. But put it on an airplane, and people act like this was the first invention of this behavior.
Either get the scan, don't fly, or shut up about it if you don't want the pat down. Some of the biggest crybaby pussies on this issue are on the opposite side than you think.
Of course, Sunday I'm flying to South Africa, where even the scans we do at stadiums in the U.S. are against the civil rights of the constitution there.
No, Greg. The real pussies are the ones that don't stand up for law, and freedom of speech. Which, I suppose in this case, is you.
Owen v City of Independence, Maine v Thiboutot, et. al:
All state that public servants have no immunity when they violate your rights. So this eliminates the "I'm just doing my job" response...
Norton v Shelby County:
An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as inoperative as though it had never been passed.
Fourth Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Hale v Henkel:
His rights are such as existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are a refusal to incriminate himself and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of the law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights.
Why is it that the US is going further than the rest of the world with this stuff?
What happens in Europe (passing through a metal detector and having hand luggage scanned) seems a perfectly reasonable level of security without being unduly intrusive.
You're asked to take off bulky footwear and clothing, but still won't be searched so long as you don't set off any alarms.
What happens in Europe (passing through a metal detector and having hand luggage scanned) seems a perfectly reasonable level of security without being unduly intrusive.
You're asked to take off bulky footwear and clothing, but still won't be searched so long as you don't set off any alarms.