Able Xavier Converts to Islam (23 Viewers)

[ReBeL]

Ok thanks

And what became of the prisoners, I'm genuinely interested.

I have no idea, mate...

Obviously neither of us can change each other's opinion, but it's still fun discussing about it and thinking that we owned the other side, while in reality we achieved shit

Of course.

As for where i am from? if it is any help for you to actually answer the questions i ask you then i ll be glad to fax you a copy of my passport.

 

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[Martin]

It will probably be an US passport. I'm more keen to learn more about his origin.

It's a place to start.

 

[ReBeL]

Actually, I want to ask you in what state did he die.

I know he died in Medina, and that he lost one of his eyes in Taef battle, and the other one in Yarmouk battle, but never knew his death was something special. Would you tell me what is the special thing about his death?

 

[Fred]

It is a touchy subject and that's why I beg to differ.

They are loosing the respect for each other (if there's any left) the more this conversation goes on and it's pretty clear. They might not be insulting that will lead to perma bans as they are all fairly reasonable but it's how they pick on each other and laughing at them, showing how ignorant they are. This sort of topic leaves consequences because it's not something you will forget, it's how you'll see certain members in different light. This goes on, you think less of them, even if they might not agree, it's how it goes. I'm pretty sure there's a bloodboil going on between Deneb and Alen/Hoori, Hoori and Ze. I find it sad that this sort of topic will do that, when we're all on a football forum. This is like having 5 Andries that don't want to get banned.

Like Deneb just told you, it will get a bit heated but in the end nobodys going to hold any grudges.

This is nothing compared to some of the run ins me and Alen had a couple of times. Things got really personal and dragged on for a few days, but still i just cannot dislike Alen. He's still one of my favorite posters even though he doesn't really like me

No, I don't like to ride things.

If a speech needs to be held I'll ask either you, Nenna or Deneb to lie down so I can stand on the mountain.

Other than decks of course

 

[Alen]

I know he died in Medina, and that he lost one of his eyes in Taef battle, and the other one in Yarmouk battle, but never knew his death was something special. Would you tell me what is the special thing about his death?

No, actually I have no idea if there is anything special at all about his death. Instead of "life" i accidently wrote "death" in my previous post and I edited it. But I specifically mentioned that I don't know about his death and his state then.
So i'm asking Altair.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Other than decks of course

I said things on poupose, if I have said horses I know there'd be some smartass saying I wouldn't mind decks.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Dule, you know I love Alen like a fat kid love cake.

the thing is, it's all a non-issue really, more of a musing to showcase my vain self if you will , the point is there are laws on this forum just like in real life and hate speech is not allowed whether you're perceived a hypocrite or not. That last sentence alone ends the argument.

Aye, true.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Hey it's good to hear it from time to time then.

 

[Dostoevsky]

And Hoori? Do you love her as you love decks?

 

[Ahmed]

Dusan, it's not as if there are closet Islamophobes here that are reveal a neferious plot or some sort.

right...

 

[Zé Tahir]

And Hoori? Do you love her as you love decks?

I don't love decks though

 

[Dostoevsky]

RIIIIIIIGHT!

There, I bring peace. So we've concluded that you love each other. It's something you probably didn't even know yourself because it was too deep inside you.

 

[king Ale]

Only when he mentions a solid reason supporting his statement of why it is absurd and stupid which he did not.

No Rab. He doesn't need to mention reasons supporting why he finds Islam a retarded religion or why finds Islam stupid.
I find it absurd if you are not allowed to eat meat on some specific days.
I find it stupid if you can't get a divorce.
I find it stupid if you consider the fire as the creator of all the creatures.
I find it stupid if you refuse to take the other people' blood when you need it.
I find it stupid if you're turning around a cube.

Now I believe that there is a God. I can't prove it to you, I can't show my God to you so you can find it stupid that I believe in existence of something which can't be seen. I will not take it as an insult. I, as well as yourself and all the other people, find some things stupid which are probably holy for some others. We don't need to bring reasons justifying our opinions because this is the way we think.

As for the Mohammed insulting topic, I'm not going to get into this because I am unsure just like yourself, Alen and Tahir about this topic.

Yes we are unsure but Muslim are perfectly aware that Muhammad broke those images. I didn't invent the story. I actually went through something which the Muslims, themselves, consider as a fact. The Abraham story with the idols is also mentioned in Qoran so Muslims don't need any more reliable sources to believe that. How are they justifying what Muhammad and Abraham did but they can't let it go when someone mocks their beliefs? What's the difference?

well let's please then read if it's any help, only our little exchange shall we and see who did all the ad hominem and who actually refrained and chose to discuss the points instead

i answered this to you original post notice how i didnt say anything about you, rather your post

to which you only replied to the last sentence, more of a N.B

I did read what you said and as I said, it was unrelated. Abraham built Kaaba. Years and years after that, there were some people who were keeping their holy cults' images right there. Muhammad broke them out of the Kaaba. Abraham building the Kaaba can't justify what Muhammad did. Suppose that there is a place which has built by some idol worshipers years ago but has turned to an Islamic mosque as time has passed. Now is it right if some people who are now practicing the respective cult come and tear the Qorans in the mosque out of the place? Won't Muslims start an uproar all over the world? Won't they take it as an insult to what they hold in holiness?

so yes we can easily see who knows nothing about what they're talking about.

I know nothing about you, neither did I claim I know. I just said how you strike me as a member on the forums.

This is what I see, what I perceive even though I'm fully aware how it can be twisted and far from reality. Here is a forum, I get to know people by what they write here. All I know of them is limited to that. I didn't say you are like a drum having hollow inside and a deep sound but I have no problem saying that this is how you strike me simply as a member on a football forum. Your taste in movies as well as the way you speak Farsi is brilliant though.

the thing is, it's all a non-issue really, more of a musing to showcase my vain self if you will , the point is there are laws on this forum just like in real life and hate speech is not allowed whether you're perceived a hypocrite or not. That last sentence alone ends the argument.

Who used to keep calling Andries a bigot? Who was the one trying hard to bring excuses for Tahir "insulting" Dusan? The same one who's now preaching how hate speech is not allowed?

 

[Ian]

Ian, this argument, Muslims are touchy about things has to be the silliest argument in this thread.

Oh come on... They are sooooo touchy. I didn't say right or wrong, but they are touchy. Even "moderate muslims" get up in arms over down right silly things like Danish cartoons. My point was that people should know which buttons not to press with muslims and everything would be easier...

-People make fun out of Muslims = We should be open minded and laugh with them. etc

-Lets blame the Muslims for 11sep, We should smile. etc

-Couple of Muslims in Greece according to our intelligent member mcrae did some hooliganism stuff there, then it's all Muslims fault, and we should accept it. etc

-Lets keep arguing about the Islam religion, mock them make fun out of them... in return we should have a big smile and not be touchy. etc

I never said any of that, my point was that every religious believer is touchy about certain things, some more so than others. To me, it's all ludicrous and silly, but if that's how people are it behooves one to acknowledge that fact and deal with it appropriately.

Let me tell you something, it becomes only touchy when people take things out of the line and exaggerate and don't know their limits.

When people cross their limits and don't know how and when to stop then it's only normal to become sensitive and touchy about this.

I'm never too touchy when it comes to religion, but when I see everyone directly or indirectly making fun and putting stupid remarks then it's only normal that I become touchy.

You're just backing up my point here. Of course if someone is talking about Islam and they don't know what they're talking about (according to you), then they are insulting you and your religion, hence you're touchy.

If you read the rest of my post you'd realize that I'm not trying to denigrate muslims or any other religion. I'm merely stating that religion is used by those with capital to control those without and to further concentrate capital in the hands of the few. All religions work this way. If you personally feel the need to believe in something, that's your own business, but when your belief in something infringes on others ability to conduct their lives as they see fit, then I have a problem with it. That is all.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Hoori drop it already. Most of history we're discussing was written by Muslims and since you're not a Muslim you're never going to accept it. Heck, if it wasn't for the letters written to the King of Persia and the Byzantines there would probably be no proof that Prophet Muhammad even existed.

 

[ReBeL]

I find it absurd if you are not allowed to eat meat on some specific days.
I find it stupid if you can't get a divorce.
I find it stupid if you consider the fire as the creator of all the creatures.
I find it stupid if you refuse to take the other people' blood when you need it.
I find it stupid if you're turning around a cube.

Except the last one, the other sentences just show how much you know about Islam.

 

[Ian]

First let me state that any disrespect you may find in this post is purely intentional, but not directed at any person, but rather to the concepts which will be mentioned:

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone anywhere would feel the need to indoctrinate themselves into any sort of compulsory worship of an irrational "higher being." Furthermore, I do not understand why anyone would subject themselves to the laws and customs of such worship under the direction of anyone other than themselves. And finally, I do not understand the need or compulsion to believe in something that there is absolutely no physical evidence to support or to believe in the divinity of a historical figure, or to follow the dogma of a historical figure. Are we not all people in and of ourselves? Are we not the greatest and most powerful creatures that we can perceive? Should we not be the masters of our destiny, each and every one of us?

Thus, I have a hard time wrapping my head around any action, inaction, state of being, society, mentality, or rationale based on religion or religious dogma...

 

[king Ale]

Accept what exactly?

 

[Ahmed]

Except the last one, the other sentences just show how much you know about Islam.

I think she's talking about Religion in general, not Islam

 

[ReBeL]

First let me state that any disrespect you may find in this post is purely intentional, but not directed at any person, but rather to the concepts which will be mentioned:

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone anywhere would feel the need to indoctrinate themselves into any sort of compulsory worship of an irrational "higher being." Furthermore, I do not understand why anyone would subject themselves to the laws and customs of such worship under the direction of anyone other than themselves. And finally, I do not understand the need or compulsion to believe in something that there is absolutely no physical evidence to support or to believe in the divinity of a historical figure, or to follow the dogma of a historical figure. Are we not all people in and of ourselves? Are we not the greatest and most powerful creatures that we can perceive? Should we not be the masters of our destiny, each and every one of us?

Thus, I have a hard time wrapping my head around any action, inaction, state of being, society, mentality, or rationale based on religion or religious dogma...

Life is silly, Ian. Everybody of us is prone to die soon. No? That doesn't give us any area to claim that we are the superior masters on Earth because we can not know the most important issue we are facing, which is how long will we live? People knew since ages that because we are so weak that can not control our own ages and lives, then there is somebody who can. This somebody has to be much greater than all of us, because as scientists proved, the world is ruled by very accurate measures like the seasons, and they proved that any small change would make a very huge problem that threatens the whole humanity.

I know Chance maybe your explanation for our existence, but seeing how life goes on perfectly around me, I beg to differ and I'm totally convinced there is somebody greater than mere chance who controls our environments.