A second look at Virginia Tech (1 Viewer)

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Bjerknes

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ßüякε;1835387 said:
Yea, but everything "wrong" in this world is societal.


No, you're a man because you didn't kill them.

Killing them would have made you a pussy.
What if I used my fist? What if he ended up dying after a couple blows?
 
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    I never said "fuck them". Bullying is not an excuse to kill people.

    Instead of trying to make excuses... Propose a solution to the problem.
    The solution is very simple. It's called showing a little humanity. How about the teacher not berate him in front of the whole class? And not threaten to resign if he's not removed? How about other teachers not doing the same also? The girl he hit on called his dad, who eventually made the cops come and bring him in as if he were some kind of criminal suspect. Can you say monumental overreaction? I'd like to say how about the other kids not treating him like dirt, but I know that is basically a pipe dream. The point is he got it from ALL angles all at once, he didn't have anything to cling to.
     

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    The solution is very simple. It's called showing a little humanity. How about the teacher not berate him in front of the whole class? And not threaten to resign if he's not removed? How about other teachers not doing the same also? The girl he hit on called his dad, who eventually made the cops come and bring him in as if he were some kind of criminal suspect. Can you say monumental overreaction? I'd like to say how about the other kids not treating him like dirt, but I know that is basically a pipe dream. The point is he got it from ALL angles all at once, he didn't have anything to cling to.
    But he's just a pussy... people like that should die.

    Woohhooo, America, fuck yeah.

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    I don't know. I really don't think there is a way to stop it. Can we really curb the behavior of an entire society? If it's even an entire society that bullies? I don't know I'm not the one making the accusations here.
    Society doesn't bully, people do. That's why the guy who wrote this is sociologist, it's about group dynamic, belonging to a group or failing to. It's kind of hard to blame the kids in this case without impuning the whole of society, but the teachers damn well should have known better.

    What about the fact that cases like Cho exist and the so called system fails to detect them, help them?
     

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    Also, I loved it how they demonized Cho as an immigrant in the media. The facebook group filled with members was also filled with racial taunts.

    Stuff such as this will continue and it might as well because nobody really seems to care.
     
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    The solution is very simple. It's called showing a little humanity. How about the teacher not berate him in front of the whole class? And not threaten to resign if he's not removed? How about other teachers not doing the same also? The girl he hit on called his dad, who eventually made the cops come and bring him in as if he were some kind of criminal suspect. Can you say monumental overreaction? I'd like to say how about the other kids not treating him like dirt, but I know that is basically a pipe dream. The point is he got it from ALL angles all at once, he didn't have anything to cling to.
    If the problem is treating people like dirt, then India would have a lot more school shootings.
     

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    No, I'm saying you should feel bad (or at least I do) for him because he was frickin abused by his environment, something you apparently have no problem with. The fact that he shot people just serves to demonstrate the severity of his condition. If he didn't, you might have said "ah, he's just exaggerating, blowing it totally out of proportion". Lots of other people live a milder version of the same story and don't lash out. If there is ANYTHING at all we want to do about preventing this kind of crap (which seems to be spreading btw), then the PROBLEM to address is precisely this environment that's pushing people to do this crap.



    You're stronger, he was weaker. How hard is that to understand? Why are people so pathologically unable to accept the fact that their personal standards are not universal??
    No I have a problem with people being abused. What I don't like is the accusation that someone is abused by an entire environment. As if bullying was a sport done by an entire society be it the student body of Va Tech or the engineering department. Those who know anything about bullying know it's a practice done by a few and not the many. It's virtually that the entire student body or even the entire engineering department of Virginia Tech were active bullies in this guy's life. What's more realistic is that a few people in his life were very, very, harsh with him. Now when you are bullied, it feels like the whole world is against you, even if they aren't. Off-hand comments which may be in jest are not accepted as so. But the fact is that it stems from a few. I think you may be more successful in your endeavor of damning society to focus on the individuals that actually participate in bullying. I'm sure you realize that attempting to change an entire society is fruitless. Unless you have a crap ton of LSD and about 60 million copies of the Barney theme song.

    Um. I do understand that Cho was weaker than me. At the same time, in my younger years I was weak too, in fact I'm almost positive I was a lot weaker than many back then. I'm not saying we're the same, but there are lots of people who display weakness, be it depression, bipolar disorder, or something else, at different times in there lives yet find a light at the end of the tunnel and turn out just fine.

    Right and wrong aren't really personal standards. Especially, when the decision is between mass murder and not mass murder. He obviously knew what he did was wrong, remember he did shoot himself. It's not like he was reared in a society where it is perfectly ok to kill those that wrong you or those that you think have wronged you.
     
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    Different people are different, we could spend a lifetime and never figure that one out. In his case, I think it could have been prevented if HE did something about. He knew about his disorder for years. He should have taken steps to prevent what happened. As I said earlier communication is not verbal alone. There were a multitude of different ways in which he could have gotten help. Bullies sometimes bully for a reason too, so I can also start defending them...
    Did it ever occur to you that sometimes people who most need help are the ones least able to get it?

    Bullies sometimes bully for a reason too, so I can also start defending them...
    And what would that be? To cover up their own insecurity by picking on someone weaker?
     

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    No, I'm saying if that was the problem India would have a lot more school shootings, since I don't think the Untouchables are treated very well.
    Ahh, Occam's Razor again I suppose.

    That doesn't make any sense, dude.
     
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    ßüякε;1835394 said:
    If you have to lift a hand, you've already lost the battle.

    - Bruce Lee
    Probably the only Burke post in this thread I'll agree with. :D
     
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    ßüякε;1835400 said:
    If the problem is treating people like dirt, then India would have a lot more school shootings.
    Maybe they don't have as many guns?
     

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    I know a couple of people from India, and they say people are more humble over there.

    People can concoct all the theories they want to deny the main issue, but it won't solve anything.
     

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