A second look at Virginia Tech (2 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

How do people know Cho didn't try to reach out? Throwing around assumptions again I see.

 

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[Martin]

I completely agree.

There is another say. "The rich can never understand the poor." Just because YOU handle a tough life situation well doesn't mean everyone does.

 

[Lilith]

Please read the link I posted, that's the whole reason I started this thread.

I did read some of it. I stand by my words. He talked to his family did he not? He can communicate in writing can he not? So there is no way that that disorder could have transcended into every possible avenue of communication that he had. We sometimes relate to each other on messageboards for crying out loud. I am sorry, he was a coward and that's my point of view.

 

[Bjerknes]

As one philosopher said, "no two persons can ever fully understand each other."

So WHY do people think they can?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

School shootings fascinate us, I think because they're so hard to figure out. In the media it's always a tragic event, so and so many innocent people lost their lives at the hands of a mad man. Omg, what are we gonna do to protect our children against these TERRORISTS? We need less guns. No, more guns. We need metal detectors, and the FBI. We need wiretaps and surveillance cameras to root out "potential perpetrators".

And what is the one thing missing? A hard look at ourselves. This kid spent 4 years at our wonderful, loving school. It couldn't possibly be anything in the environment that set him off. No, there's nothing wrong with us at all.

Why did Cho shoot up the school? Because he was a "ticking time bomb"? Because he was abnormal, and psychotic? No. Because he had his life systematically ruined. By ignorant morons for professors who singled him out and harassed him, and by the sons of bitches that were his peers, who treated him as an outcast. It's not his personality that was the problem, it was his environment.

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It's too bad Ze has just left when I found this, he was the closest to it.

He killed people because he was a pussy?

Come on, grow up, this kid was a pussy and couldn't handle the pressure that we all go through and he choked.

 

[Bjerknes]

He killed people because he was a pussy?

Come on, grow up, this kid was a pussy and couldn't handle the pressure that we all go through and he choked.

Come on, that's not a fair assessment.

If he was a pussy he wouldn't have shot up the school.

 

[Lilith]

There is another say. "The rich can never understand the poor." Just because YOU handle a tough life situation well doesn't mean everyone does.

Oh I agree. But killing people? C'mon we have to draw the line somewhere.

 

[Byrone]

Come on, that's not a fair assessment.

If he was a pussy he wouldn't have shot up the school.

Well he is,why did he need to use a weapon?

 

[Bjerknes]

Oh I agree. But killing people? C'mon we have to draw the line somewhere.

I don't think you understand, Risa. We are not defending murder, but rather trying to understand what pushes people to limits.

If we can figure this out, perhaps we could save lives in the future.

 

[Martin]

I did read some of it. I stand by my words. He talked to his family did he not? He can communicate in writing can he not? So there is no way that that disorder could have transcended into every possible avenue of communication that he had. We sometimes relate to each other on messageboards for crying out loud. I am sorry, he was a coward and that's my point of view.

Exactly, some of us are. Some are helpless. Some don't know what to do. And it's so easy for the resourceful ones to say the helpless ones are helpless. Great, and what good does that do?

Most likely had he not come to Virginia Tech he wouldn't have ruined his life and shot a bunch of people. So what's your conclusion? The environment is not to blame? The article also says this is not an isolated incident. Other kids had had similar experiences with the same teachers, for christ's sake.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

There is another say. "The rich can never understand the poor." Just because YOU handle a tough life situation well doesn't mean everyone does.

Yea, because some people are pussies.

 

[Martin]

He killed people because he was a pussy?

Come on, grow up, this kid was a pussy and couldn't handle the pressure that we all go through and he choked.

And? You think everything is cool?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Exactly, some of us are. Some are helpless. Some don't know what to do. And it's so easy for the resourceful ones to say the helpless ones are helpless. Great, and what good does that do?

Most likely had he not come to Virginia Tech he wouldn't have ruined his life and shot a bunch of people. So what's your conclusion? The environment is not to blame? The article also says this is not an isolated incident. Other kids had had similar experiences with the same teachers, for christ's sake.

My conclusion is that he was a pussy and I'm glad he died.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well he is,why did he need to use a weapon?

So this "pussy" decides one day he had enough, so he walks around campus with chains and ammo laced across his body, storms into a building despite being out-numbered by some 250 to 1, and goes against the law by blowing peoples brains out.

That takes a lot of balls, must be a hermaphrodite.

 

[Bjerknes]

My conclusion is that he was a pussy and I'm glad he died.

So that also means you're glad his victims died too then.

 

[Martin]

My conclusion is that he was a pussy and I'm glad he died.

I see, so if he was say your brother you'd be pleased the damn pussy is finally dead.

 

[Enron]

You know, there is an expression people say about prison. "A product of the system." It means that people who get put in prison, many of them can't handle it in there, they have to adapt to survive, and by the time they get out it's not the same person who went in. It's a product of the system.

The fact is Cho didn't shoot up his elementary, or his middle school, or his high school. He had no history of violence or mental instability or whatever else. He came to college and he found the environment so hostile that it broke him. And you're saying that's perfectly cool, who gives a shit about a kid who can't handle college. Well, I beg to differ.

Did you read the article? He had these episodes where he'd be so nervous that he couldn't say a word. And you're blaming him for not reaching out? Do you have any idea what it's like for people who are this shy to break the barrier and make themselves vulnerable enough even to go to a counselor? He didn't even have any friends he could bond with, let alone agents of the institution.

I said many kids run into trouble at college, the majority of them do not go on to kill people.

I read it. The kid was diagnosed with his condition at 14. He knew if he went to a big school he could run into trouble. And at a big school like Virginia Tech a kid with a social condition is going to have a hard time. He and his parents both knew this.

So you're saying I should feel bad for a kid who knew he had a severe social issue, yet decided to enroll in a school where the likelihood of a professor knowing his name would be very low?

So he entered a 30,000+ student school and found himself invisible, unable to make friends, and unable to talk to anyone about his problems. And we're supposed to feel bad that he shot a bunch of students he didn't even know, that may or may have made fun of him? Because it's really debatable about how many of the kids he killed actually knew who he was.

There is no doubt there is bullying in schools and it's wrong. But at the same time it's a part of life. No matter what you do you'll never stop it. Trust me I know, I'm a product of the system. Grade school, Junior high, and parts of high school were hell for me. I mean really bad. I won't say any more because I'm not into "sharing". I'll put it like this, in junior high Burke and Andy would not have been my friends. I never shot anyone. And I don't have any sympathy for those who do.

 

[Bjerknes]

I see, so if he was say your brother you'd be pleased the damn pussy is finally dead.

Todd and Timmy already are dead.

Sorry, had to say it.

 

[Byrone]

So this "pussy" decides one day he had enough, so he walks around campus with chains and ammo laced across his body, storms into a building despite being out-numbered by some 250 to 1, and goes against the law by blowing peoples brains out.

That takes a lot of balls, must be a hermaphrodite.

You do realise that many people dont bother going to gym because they have a gun.Anybody that has a gun pointed at an unarmed individual is going to feel like a superhero.As much as he is a pussy for killing people & using the gun,so are the bullies.They pick easy targets,people that are physically inferior to them,people that are in the social wilderness with no friends to back them up if all hell breaks loose.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

That's all bullshit. At what point to we take responsibility for our own actions?

Boohoo, life isn't fair. Plenty of people get made fun of, mess up in school, or get dumped by their girlfriends, but only a few of them go shoot up a bunch of people they don't even know.

WORD WORD TO MOTHER!

Enron, I think your mentality actually spurs on more shootings.

What?

That doesn't make sense.

People are weak, get it? Tons of them. It's an inborn quality, or a product of their upbringing, who knows. The fact is they come to a place like Virginia Tech and they're weak. And you say fuck them.

So what if only a few may have the predisposition to actually turn to violence, does it eliminate the problem? What about all those who suffer without going postal, is that good?

Survival of the fittest, mother fucker.

So that also means you're glad his victims died too then.

No, I said I was glad he is dead, I'm not glad in his death or way of dying.