Zeman doesn't know what he's talkin about! (1 Viewer)

[nedved34]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

Nothing's wrong with it; I guess I just don't know how it feels to have grown up with bianconero blood :down:

well i support juve since i was 13 (10 years) and azzuri since i was 9 (14 years), sadly at the begining of 90's i was supporting milan.I know that's shame but i was stupid little kid then

:LOL: fat chance mate, that one's a definite keeper Trust me, I have plenty of useless PMs that I'd delete before I delete yours

then i guess u will keep that till death seperates u from life :frown:

 

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[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++

well i support juve since i was 13 (10 years) and azzuri since i was 9 (14 years), sadly at the begining of 90's i was supporting milan.I know that's shame but i was stupid little kid then

You were

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++


Because

1) Unlike the majority of ppl in here I have actually supported my team for more than 3 years (since 1984 in fact). Believe it or not, but there actually was a Milan even before Berlusconi.

2) Considering that 3/4 of my family are gobbi and the remaining quarter goes for Inter (with the exception of a cousin in Bergamo who supports Atalanta), and since I like to go against the tide, I picked Milan.

3) AGAIN I can make the distinction between football and politics.

4) I defy you to present me just ONE piece of evidence showing that Berlusconi financed Milan with mafia money. Since I know in advance that you won't find a SINGLE piece of evidence to support such claim and will roll back under your rock as you did in the other thread only to re-emerge with some unsubstantiated accusation elsewhere, let me do the work for you : Associazione Calcistica Milan has been under investigation for false accounting (amouting to 6 billion lire) for the transfer of Gianluigi Lentini from Torino in the 90's. Since false accounting is no longer punished as a criminal offence in Italy, I believe Milan has been acquitted.

Kaiser, just some points:

1. _ Ohh, good to know there was Milan before Berlusconi, but it doesnt matter. Whats matter is that the actual Milan AC is a Berlusconi-operated bussines and a significant piece of his image corporative.

2- Congratulations to 3/4 of your family, as they probably are nice people and with good taste in football...my condolences to the remaining quarter, including your cousin in Bergamo and you, for being in the wrong side of the street.

3- Again, you made the distinction between football and politics...but things are not so simple as that. Do you pretend that the world most extended sport, an activity involving the work and time of 450 millions and moving astronomical sums of money, are not affected or affect politics ??
Of all the massive entratainment activities, football is probably the most politics-related, at least in the Latin world....

4:- Are you assuming that Silvios huge fortune is all clean made ? because the main source of investments for Milan AC as been Berluscas pocket.....and BTW, " i will roll back to my rock to re-emerge with an unsbstanciated acussation" anytime i want. Dont overheat and try to keep it cool...

 

[LaPrimaJuve]

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++

2- Congratulations to 3/4 of your family, as they probably are nice people and with good taste in football...my condolences to the remaining quarter, including your cousin in Bergamo and you, for being in the wrong side of the street.

:groan:That's cold Eagle. Everyone is entightled to there opinions, otherwise everyone would be Juve fans, and I'm sure you don't want Roma and Milan fans to be on your side.

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Eaglesnake,

I would say it DOES matter to me that there was a Milan before Berlusconi. And it did matter to the 60.000 fans that rallied San Siro in the serie B years to see us lose to Cavese. Many of them were workers who may have had some trouble identifying with the personality of our President (as you may know, Milan is originally the team of the masses, while Inter referred more to the entrepreneurial élite of the city), but does this mean they should have abjured their faith? Of course not. Presidents succeed each other (though Silvio will probably still be there for some time), but the "tifo" stays forever.

Are politics and football intertwined? Yes, all the more so in Italy. Berlusconi's party is named after a football slogan (Forza Italia). His cabinet was called the "Azzurri". He himslef likes to use football analogies in his speeches. No one performs the art of mixing the two better than Berlusconi. Does this constitute a factor in the electoral preferences of those million of Italians whose only window on the world is a television broadcasting Mediaset's channels? Sadly, yes. But it's not my fault and it certainly hasn't affected MY political affiliations.

The origin of Berlusconi's fortune can be questionable, and in fact it has been and still is being questioned, but again, this is happening in the political and business spheres of his Empire. No serious accusation is pending on his way of running Milan. We are not the ones whose medical staff is being investigated for "administrative doping" : you are. Galliani is not risking a 2 year jail sentence : Giraudo is. But the real point I am trying to make here is that if/when that happens to us, I will be ready to acknowledge my team's faults and to say my mea culpa, an attitude that really few juventini on this forum seem willing to embrace.

 

[nedved34]

nothing proven yet ..

 

[xziz]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
...
I would say it DOES matter to me that there was a Milan before Berlusconi. And it did matter to the 60.000 fans that rallied San Siro in the serie B years to see us lose to Cavese. Many of them were workers who may have had some trouble identifying with the personality of our President (as you may know, Milan is originally the team of the masses, while Inter referred more to the entrepreneurial élite of the city), but does this mean they should have abjured their faith? Of course not. Presidents succeed each other (though Silvio will probably still be there for some time), but the "tifo" stays forever.

Milan darkest period 1980 - 1986
In the latest part of the 1980 season a scandal about betting rised to the surface (totonero scandal ). Involved in it two players from AC Milan (Enrico Albertosi and ???) and the president Felice Colombo. Under President Felice Colombo Milan was relegated to Serie B in 1980 – 1981 for match rigging.
After playing themselves back to the 1981 – 1982 Serie A, Milan went back down to the Serie B (1982 – 1983) under President Giuseppe Farina who fled to South Africa with a fortune of players money.

Milan Mafia period 1986 – now
Silvio Berlusconi appeared as the savior in 1986. The first thing he did was to heavily invest in the club's youth structures and in Milanello, Milan's training grounds. He also entrusted his nearly 40M € investment into the hands of an unknown manager by the name of Arrigo Sacchi (later to buy any player he needed, later to win everything with Milan, later to be appointed coach of the national team).

Are politics and football intertwined? Yes, all the more so in Italy. Berlusconi's party is named after a football slogan (Forza Italia). His cabinet was called the "Azzurri". He himslef likes to use football analogies in his speeches. No one performs the art of mixing the two better than Berlusconi. Does this constitute a factor in the electoral preferences of those million of Italians whose only window on the world is a television broadcasting Mediaset's channels? Sadly, yes. But it's not my fault and it certainly hasn't affected MY political affiliations.

I believe you about your political affiliations. Do you agree when I say that Silvio Berlusconi has funded his empire with Mafia money, in order to recycle Mafia money?

The origin of Berlusconi's fortune can be questionable, and in fact it has been and still is being questioned, but again, this is happening in the political and business spheres of his Empire. No serious accusation is pending on his way of running Milan. We are not the ones whose medical staff is being investigated for "administrative doping" : you are. Galliani is not risking a 2 year jail sentence : Giraudo is. But the real point I am trying to make here is that if/when that happens to us, I will be ready to acknowledge my team's faults and to say my mea culpa, an attitude that really few juventini on this forum seem willing to embrace.

GOOD. Then, If "The origin of Berlusconi's fortune can be questionable, and in fact it has been and still is being questioned", is it possible that the same money that Berlusconi has invested into AC Milan has the same questionable origin as the money he puts into all his other business? Or you are trying to say that the money he uses to buy its TV networks (including the 51% of spanish La Cinco and some participation in the French Cinq), to fund his political party, etc. etc. is questionable but the money he puts into the Soccer team is not?


Kaiserslaughter :devil:

 

[xziz]

Zeman is a loser.

Zeman has been losing during his whole career.

Zeman has made a name for himself by accusing Del Piero of doping and Juventus of misuse of pharmaceuticals.

Zeman's Lecce today lost again at Juventus. He complains that the game should not have been played because of too much rain, and that the referee was biased . However when all the episodes are analyzed there is no case to support his allegations.

Zeman is being interviewed for 120 minutes live at the main soccer program on Italian TV (audience:1589000) and spends the time saying that the game should not have been played because the rain was excessive, and that referee De Sanctis "brings good luck to Juventus" signifying that he makes Juventus win. He even gets to criticize Nedved decision not to play anymore in the national team. All of this repeated and amplified by commentators and without "right to reply" by Juventus.

What's eating Zdenek Zeman? What is his problem, this guy spends his time talking bad about Juventus and Juventus only. What is his agenda?

xziz

 

[Martin]

Let him talk, what's the big deal?

 

[xziz]

This is not one person speaking his mind.

The way the thing is set up in Italian media, looks much like a hatred campaign against Juventus

xziz

 

[Qaterminator]

he is an idiot....let him talk

 

[Qaterminator]

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Zdenek Zeman: “Football on this kind of pitch is a lottery. Had it not rained so much, we would have seen a very different game of football.”

 

[Azzurri7]

This guy should coach Roma

 

[ZhiXin]

xziz juz jgnore him, he can't kick this habit after doing it for 6 years.

 

[gray]

Threads merged

there's really no point in having 4 threads on Zeman. If you hate him so much, just ignore him

 

[Desmond]

exactly.his rantings are just another column in the everyday football tabloid.

 

[xziz]

from: http://sports.virgilio.it/it/cmc/calcio/200447/cmc_74617.html


Del Piero su Zeman: "Le mie misure? Sempre le stesse"
15 11 2004
Del Piero on Zeman: "My size? Always the same"


Alex Del Piero ha ironizzato sulle dichiarazioni di Zeman circa la presunta sorpresa dei sarti della Nazionale al momento di conferzionargli l'abito prima del 1998.
Alex Del Piero ironic about Zeman declaration related to Nationa Team tailors when they were preparing his suite before 1998.

"Non ho mai sorpreso nessuno, né i sarti della Nazionale né quelli della Juve. Le mie misure sono sempre state le stesse".
"I was not a surprise for the National Team tailors nor for the Juventus tailors. Miy size never changed."

 

[xziz]

from: http://it.sports.yahoo.com/041115/25/4p6c.html

JUVENTUS. Moggi risponde a Zeman: "A Lecce si poteva giocare"
Lun 15 Nov, 2:03 PM
Moggi aswers to Zeman: "Playing the game in Lecce was possible"

Non si placa la polemica tra Lecce e Juventus sulle condizioni del campo di Via del Mare. Tocca a Luciano Moggi replicare all’allenatore boemo: "Ieri a Lecce si poteva giocare e noi abbiamo giocato". Il direttore generale della Juventus si concede poi una piccola polemica: "Ieri a Lecce la palla correva sul campo, anche se in alcuni punti si fermava. Noi anni fa giocammo a Perugia, dove c’era una piscina al posto del rettangolo di gioco...". Il riferimento, nemmeno troppo velato, è a quel Perugia-Juventus che nella stagione 1999/2000 costò lo scudetto ai bianconeri, vinto poi dalla Lazio di Eriksson. L’amministratore delegato Giraudo preferisce invece soffermarsi sui meriti della Juventus: "Ieri abbiamo fatto una prova di grande carattere, una cosa fantastica".

 

[xziz]

from: http://www.goalcity.com/GoalNewsDettaglioNotizia/1,2588,185687-28,00.html

Nuovo scontro Lippi-Zeman. Il ct: "Sulle convocazioni il boemo è in malafede"
New fight Lippi-Zeman. The bohemian is laying on the team selection"

Qualche critico ha storto la bocca dopo aver letto le convocazioni di Marcello Lippi per l'amichevole di Messina contro la Finlandia. Sei giocatori sono alla prima chiamata (Parisi, Caracciolo, Barzagli, Chiellini, Mauri, Roma), in più c'è il ritorno di Montella e Miccoli.
some critics did not like the NT selection by Marcello Lippi for the friendly against Finland. Six new players: Parisi, Caracciolo, Barzagli, Chiellini, Maurizi, Roma, and the comeback of Montella nd Miccoli."

Nonostante lo stop della serie A, però, mancano tutti i big e i pilastri della formazione, da Buffon a Totti, passando per Gilardino e Nesta. Il ct tuttavia difende le sue scelte. Anzi, secondo Lippi, in futuro questi giocatori torneranno molto utili alla causa azzurra.

"Non sarà una nazionale sperimentale - ha detto - E' una squadra vera, che servirà a costruire un nuovo gruppo. Voglio vedere quei giocatori che ho già convocato in altre circostanze ma che ho impiegato poco e altri che stanno giocando bene in questo campionato. Considero il test con la Finlandia un test importante".

Fra i volti nuovi, spicca però l'assenza del laterale destro del Lecce Cassetti, autore di uno strepitoso primo scorcio di stagione condito da tre goal, considerevole bottino per un difensore. Il suo tecnico, Zeman, non solo si è detto stupito per l'esclusione, ma ha addirittura ventilato una presunta 'vendetta' di Lippi nei suoi confronti in seguito alle denunce di doping che hanno colpito la Juventus allenata dall'attuale Ct. "Questo signore ha molti sospetti - ha detto Lippi con riferimento a Zeman - ma questi sono ingiustificati: le mie convocazioni hanno motivi tecnici, chi la pensa diversamente è in malafede".
Among the new ones Cassetti RM of Lecce is absent. He started the season spectacularly and scored three goals, and he is a defense player. Zeman, his coach, is suprised of his absence and suggests that this is a revenge by Lippi following accusations of doping Zeman made against Lippi's Juventus. Lippi said: "This person is full of suspicion but he does not have a reason for it. I have selected the player based upon technical reasons, who puts it in doubt is not in good faith."


Capitolo Cassano: doveroso un commento da parte dell'allenatore della nazionale italiana riguardo uno dei più importanti talenti nostrani, genio e sregolatezza sempre meno compreso dai più: "Se sono preoccupato per il talento calcistico di Cassano? Sì, a questo punto lo sono - commenta Lippi -. Ho incontrato Antonio mercoledì e gli augurato di risolvere i suoi problemi, qualsiasi essi siano. Lui è uno dei talenti del calcio italiano, mi devo augurare che giochi di più con la sua squadra perché io lo possa convocare. Uno spreco? sì, sarebbe uno spreco disperdere il suo talento tecnico".

Sul momento attuale del campionato di Serie A, l'ex tecnico della Juventus ammette di essere abbagliato proprio dalla "sua" Signora: "I bianconeri e il Milan sono padroni del torneo, anzi i rossoneri hanno solo una copartecipazione..."

TERMINATO IL PRIMO ALLENAMENTO

Si sono allenati per circa un'ora gli azzurri a Coverciano. Chiacchierata iniziale col ct, poi partitella inizialmente improntata a un modulo 4-4-2 (Zaccardo, Barzagli, Materazzi, Chiellini, Esposito, Blasi, De Rossi, Mauri, Toni e Miccoli); Pelizzoli, diventato ieri papà, raggiungerà il gruppo in serata. Domattina allenamento a Coverciano (ore 10) e dopo pranzo la partenza con un volo charter per Catania da dove lo staff azzurro raggiungerà Messina in pullman.

 

[xziz]

from: http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s22/e7046/sport_lng0_spo22_evt7046_sto657826.shtml

INSIDE EUROPE: This week's numbers are...1-0

Lecce coach Zdenek Zeman explains why he won't be buying a lottery ticket for some time after his side splashed to a 1-0 defeat against Juventus; FIFA president and fervent abolitionist Sepp Blatter gives his view on the modern slave trade; while the 2006 World Cup mascot is unveiled.

'YOU CAN'T WIN THE LOTTERY...'

Lecce coach Zdenek Zeman was in much finer form than his players on Sunday, lashing out against referee Massimo de Santis after the Southerners went down 1-0 at home to Juventus.

Zeman is the whistleblower whose comments on doping in Italian football led to the current investigation of drug use at Juventus and, as such, is not the Old Lady's favourite old man.

The game went ahead despite torrential rain at Lecce's Via del Mare stadium much to the disgust of Zeman, a man with more conspiracy theories than Oliver Stone.

"The game was like a lottery," he said. 'It was impossible to play football on this pitch."

Warming to and then completely changing his theme, the Czech coach alleged went on to claim that the water-borne lottery was in fact not a lottery:

"De Santis with Juve is like a lottery in which the same number comes out fifteen times in a row."

"I'm disappointed that De Santis brings such fortune on Juventus," ranted Zeman to La Domenica Sportiva.

"I'm saddened that they sent him to take charge of a game that the whole of Italy was looking forward to."

Not to be out-hyperboled, Juventus director general Luciano Moggi hit back, claiming: "I think that we have played in worse over recent years."

"After all, we played in a swimming pool at Perugia where we lost the championship on the last day of the season," he said, referring to the 1-0 defeat that saw Lazio snatch the Scudetto in 2000.

BLATTER BLATHER BOTHER

In a tirade worthy of fellow slavery-buster Abraham Lincoln, FIFA supremo Sepp Blatter has condemned the "high-stakes trade in humans" polluting football.

In a none-too-subtle dig at Arsenal's multinational youth policy, the well-fed Swiss official raved: "If a London club has only a couple of English players in its first team squad, with the rest coming from half-a-dozen countries, I am sure I am not the only one who has a problem associating that club with its local area."

There is clear evidence that the humble likes of Quincy Owusu-Abeyie, Arturo Lupoli and Philippe Senderos have their noses pushed to the training grindstone for a gruelling three hours every day before being forced to play anything between one and two reserve matches a week.

In a rare interview, Lupoli made his fear and loathing of the Gunners' beastly boss clear, saying: "I think Arsene Wenger is a wonderful man."

They are the lucky ones. Unfortunates like Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira and Dennis Bergkamp were bought several years ago from plantations in Italy and have since been worked to within an inch of their lives.

So bad has the exploitation become that some Gunners stars can hardly muster the energy to get behind the wheel of their Ferrari and return to their multi-million-pound bachelor pads.

Sporting a highly impressive beard, Blatter turned his attention to the national teams that are also paying the price for this sickening people-trafficking.

"What about the national team that, as a result, is deprived of players?" Blatter wailed as England Sven Goran Eriksson called the Spanish federation, requesting that Wednesday's friendly match be reduced to a five-a-side contest.

Rumours that Wenger has deployed his network of scouts to check out Blatter's local theatres have proved unfounded.

'YOU MUPPET!!!'

A puppet lion designed with the help of the Jim Henson Company and going by the name of Goleo VI has been unveiled as the official mascot of the 2006 World Cup.

Contrary to allegations that the name derives from an unmanned spacecraft from the 1970s, FIFA claim it is an abbreviation of "Go, Leo, go!" possibly a masonic watchword for Sepp Blatter's FIFA cronies.

Goleo made his television debut in Germany on Saturday, alongside fellow muppets Franz "Kermit" Beckenbauer and "Miss" Pele.

Goleo can talk, dance, play music and make people laugh, but is accompanied by the altogether more Teutonic Pille, a talking football with an encyclopaedic knowledge of the game and extensive collection of waterproofs.

Eurosport - ac 15/11/2004