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Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
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If you cannot absolutely prove something this does not mean it isn't true.
There are things you simply know.

I know you have a mind although I cannot prove it.

I know I love Juve but I cannot pove it to you.

I know I think this painting is beautiful but I cannot prove it.

Scientists cannot prove any of these things, does that mean they are not true?
If you know something and you cannot prove it, then there is no argument you can make to convince someone else. Just like people who say they were captured by aliens and had biological experiments performed on them in UFOs. As much as these people may insist they know this, they cannot prove it and therefore I could care less what they think they know.
 

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Blindman
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
It seems to me that whatever the universe is, that defines "natural". I mean how could you point to the universe and say it's not natural, I mean what other yardstick do you have?

For that matter, there's nothing that's not natural. Everything comes out of the universe, so everything is by definition natural. The term "unnatural" is on very thin ice I think.
Finally getting somewhere I guess.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,381
sometimes god doesn't know how to fix the problem
I am sure that this one was a piece of cake for god.

I was chmoding my iaudio in the morning and suddenly I noticed that I can't mount it anymore. I restarted (SOOOO Windows) and guess what?

My 127.0.0.1 has become localhost and the name of my computer has become 127.0.1.1

That stopped me from being able to connect. But it didn't end here.

Each and every time I used sudo, I got this lovely message:

/etc/sudoers is set to 0777 and it should be 0440 and of course nothing happens.

I wasn't able to edit /etc/hosts to fix my network, I didn't have any administrator powers and god (not you this time) took sudo away from me.

Do you have a solution for that? I re-installed the whole thing.
 

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Blindman
Jun 13, 2007
7,233

The probability that these constants came to being by mere chance is infinitely small. Fact.


If you know something and you cannot prove it, then there is no argument you can make to convince someone else. Just like people who say they were captured by aliens and had biological experiments performed on them in UFOs. As much as these people may insist they know this, they cannot prove it and therefore I could care less what they think they know.
Your example is based on heresay, it's irrelevant. I'm talking about something every individual can relate to such as aesthetic beauty, presence of minds etc... We may all relate to this but none of us can prove it to one another. By your logic, this means that we cannot recognize beauty, I am the only person who has a mind and no one else, etc.. This is not rational, you simply cannot base reason purely on the basis of science, that's stupid.
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
I am sure that this one was a piece of cake for god.

I was chmoding my iaudio in the morning and suddenly I noticed that I can't mount it anymore. I restarted (SOOOO Windows) and guess what?

My 127.0.0.1 has become localhost and the name of my computer has become 127.0.1.1

That stopped me from being able to connect. But it didn't end here.

Each and every time I used sudo, I got this lovely message:

/etc/sudoers is set to 0777 and it should be 0440 and of course nothing happens.

I wasn't able to edit /etc/hosts to fix my network, I didn't have any administrator powers and god (not you this time) took sudo away from me.

Do you have a solution for that? I re-installed the whole thing.
Umh, weirdness. What I do know is how you can do a coup d'etat. You reboot and when grub comes up you edit the entry. On the line that begins with "kernel" you append "single". And now you get a root prompt. There are some other ways to do the same thing but I don't remember just now.


"That stopped me from being able to connect."

Connect what?
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
The probability that these constants came to being by mere chance is infinitely small. Fact.
For this to be a fact you have to prove it. So go ahead, prove that the probability was "infinitely small". Otherwise it's just your word against mine.

Your example is based on heresay, it's irrelevant. I'm talking about something every individual can relate to such as aesthetic beauty, presence of minds etc... We may all relate to this but none of us can prove it to one another. By your logic, this means that we cannot recognize beauty, I am the only person who has a mind and no one else, etc.. This is not rational, you simply cannot base reason purely on the basis of science, that's stupid.
If you're arguing that god is a thing that can only be known but not argued then you're still getting nowhere. Just like you can never convince me that blue is better than red.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,381
Umh, weirdness. What I do know is how you can do a coup d'etat. You reboot and when grub comes up you edit the entry. On the line that begins with "kernel" you append "single". And now you get a root prompt. There are some other ways to do the same thing but I don't remember just now.


"That stopped me from being able to connect."

Connect what?
Connect to the internet.

Can you just briefly tell me what does it look like?
It looks like any other energy.
 

rounder

Blindman
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
For this to be a fact you have to prove it. So go ahead, prove that the probability was "infinitely small". Otherwise it's just your word against mine.



If you're arguing that god is a thing that can only be known but not argued then you're still getting nowhere. Just like you can never convince me that blue is better than red.
Oh, I don't think that the probability is inifinitely small. Mathematical calculations determined that the probability is infinitely small.


I wasn't really going for that exactly. I was trying to prove that science is not required to provide truth as you have mentioned previously. to quote you, "if you know something and cannot prove it, then you cannot convince anyone". I was just trying to make the point that you don't need to scientifically prove everything to prove their credibility.
 

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